So other than jazz, pretty much everyone is game for a come back then?

Discussion in 'Transformers: Age of Extinction' started by Iceburgeruk, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    I mean a lot of you might say no brawl, frenzy and blackout are all definitly dead. If they were definitly dead then why would optimus be fine with the army going to all the expense of dumping the bodies in the deepest undersea gorge on the planet.

    I mean you might say optimus didn`t know what they were doing but i doubt they would keep him out of the loop especially after he helped save them.

    And if optimus did know their plans and if the decpticons were definitly dead he would have told them not to bother because he is a nice guy and wouldn`t want them to waste their effort for no reason....

    Military commander: It might cost us twenty thousand dollars per decepticon but in case they aren`t fully dead we will ship them over to that deep ocean gorge and dump them in so that they can never return.

    Optmius: Hold on. I like you humans and i don`t want you wasting your time. Those two are decapitated and that one got rockets to the torso. They`re as dead as jazz (god rest his soul) they ain`t ever gonna come back even for a sequel.

    Military commander: Really?

    Optimus: Yep they are d-e-a-d.

    Military commander: Ok we`ll leave em here in this scrap yard and just go get a bear. What do autobot`s drink anyway?

    As the above scene never occurred and as they did dump the bodies in that deep sea gorge to stop them from ever coming back, that means optimus was worried himself that the decpticons could come back. Which leads me to believe that decapitations and heavy damage to the torso is not fatal to a transformer just extremely debalitating (as one would guess it would be.)

    That also explains why the autobots were so gungho in decapitating their foes, if decapitation is neccesarily lethal to a transformer then they were being tactically sly as opposed to sadistic murderers.

    I expect then that jazz suffered the only permenant death. The autobot reactions show that he had died. That leads me to the conclusionm that extremly sever damage to the torso to the point that the entire body in split apart is the only way we have seen in the movies to actually kill a transformer.

    So jazz died because his body was wrentched in half allowing his spark to escape, blackout prob didn`t die becuase he only experienced outer damge to the systems inbedded in his torso.
     
  2. AVEITWITHJAMON Badass Cloud

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    Messages:
    39,006
    Likes Received:
    3,215
    Well, Megatron will be back, that i am certain of, and there have been one or two rumours of Jazz coming back (which i hope is true, he is my favourite autobot in the movie, or close to it), and Barricade was never seen dying so he can come back.

    Also, i doubt Optimus had much say in what the US government were going to do with the bodies of the dead Decepticons.
     
  3. Eternalzero Grand Master of Yum

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2006
    Messages:
    490
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not a bad thought, but then again, Optimus just wanted to go get the hell out of the city.

    In his mind they are dead. Megatron is dead, they are dead. So why not just dump and rid the bodies instead of reverse engineering, creating another sector 7 area... more research in to areas they shouldn't be looking into.

    I think it was just done as a cautionary, leave it alone, rather than "they can come back."

    Optimus believes them to be dead. Out of sight, out of mind.
     
  4. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    Your forgetting about two things.
    [1] There's no reason that the goverment would trust the word of Optimus Prime even thou he "saveed them" as you put it.The story was not like a 80's cartoon for kids....it was more of a "what would happen if this was real" story and the cold hard facts is that the goverment [ or any sane person ] would have no reason to trust a group of aliens based on one battle.The partisipents of the battle might but the goverment at large would not.

    [2] The main reason that the army dumped the dead bodies in the water was to hide there exsistence from the general public.They dont want the general public knowing that there are giant robot aliens running around on earth.

    And before you say that the robots fought in public so every one should know about them....remember the virus that the decepticons unlisher desrupted all comunications and a lot of electronic devises so there would be very little proff about the robots in the city except for the eyewitness and you know that no one ever believes a eyewitness.
     
  5. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    I`m not quite sure that would be feasable. I mean thats like saying that the government could easily hush up an incident where a flying saucer the size of a jumbo jet streaks across new york and plows into the empire state building.

    You can`t just say that the eyewitnesses all are lying.

    I mean its easy to hush upan abduction or freak ufo siting i mean its normal one guy who sees it. Its easy to disreguard that.

    But the scale of the battles in the closing moments of the transformers film are to an extent that at least a thousand people must have seen the transformers fighting. You can`t claim that a thousand people are all lying. If you could then i could state that france doesn`t exist or that the moon is actually just an optical illusion.
     
  6. Julliant Guest

    Maybe it will be part of the plot for the sequel. The general public knows of the existence of giants metallic aliens hiding in our midst. Since 99% of them don't know anything they assume its not a good thing, looking at the damage done to the city.
     
  7. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    First and formost that was not New York City in the movie.I know you didnt really say that but I have encoiuntered a few people on meggege boards that seem to think it was.

    2nd that city was nothing like NYC in scope and its not really fair to compair the two.

    But in the mid 90's thousand of people reported seeing UFO's over the skies of LA and the goverment claimed that all those people were mistaken.

    Also most of the people in the city were running from the battle feild or would have been in such a state of panic that I highly doubt that there would be many consistent stories from one person to the next.

    I'm sure that there would be planty of "Tall Stories" told like there were hundreds of robots all over the city.The goverment would take these odd stories and use them a "Dis-information" much like they did at Roswell or in [SIZE=-1]Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.[/SIZE]
     
  8. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah but the thousand of people witnessing ufo abductions witnessed a thousand unsubstatiated seperate abductions. That is completly different to thousands of epople claiming they witnessed the SAME event.

    And even taking into account differing stories you would have most of the stories bearing large similarities. Abd it would be difficult to dispute all those stories because they wouldn`t just be from ufo believing loners or drunks. they would be from a wide cross section of society from lawyers and librarians to teenagers and students to police officers and ambulance crews.

    Sure the city isn`t new york sized but it is supposed to essentially be L.A (they are both aprox 22 miles from hoover dam). I mean if something on that scale happened in downtown L.A it would be almost impossible to hush up.

    I mean simply if you take into account that the battles take place over several probably several dozen blocks (taking into account starsream and megatron`s ability to fly) and on a freeeway. There would be at least ten thousand witnesses if not many more. I mean just look at the amount of people running for cover and you see the streets aren`t deserted and then you have to take into account that there is probably about a hundred people at least in each building along each street. I mean do you understand the logistics and stretch of disbelief required to convinmce everyone that nothing happened. Do you really believe the american public would be that guillible to buy that it was all just a gas main or something and thta all the witnesses are loons?

    It just seems a bit too outlandish to think they could cover that up. I mean if they coudn`t cover up watergate then what chance do they have of being able to cover the transformers stuff up?
     
  9. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    What your saying may have been true a few years back but ever since the events of 9-11 the current climate of the public of this country is to thing Alquida or some other terrorist group is behind every attack or major accident.

    The goverment would find it very eazy to spinn all the different stories comeing out of the public about the events in that city as a rogue terrorist group getting their hands on some experimental army hardwere and attacking the city.

    All of the con's attacking the city had army alt modes except for Megatron.And the fact that there was no comunication that were working would also be eazly spined as a terrorist attack as well.

    With no hard evidence that it was alien robots like pictures of video the rest of the U.S. and the world would not find it very hard to believe that it was'nt a terrorist attack and that the people that claimed to see something more were not hallicinating because of some bio-chemical agent launched into the city before the attack.
     
  10. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think you are underestimating the intelligence of people in general. Also during the battles the transformers spend a lot of time in their robot modes only switching to alt modes to move to a new fight location.

    I just find it hard to believe that thousands of reports of giant robots could be reworked into "couple of terrorists shot some people and set off a carbomb". It just seems ludicrous. Its like saying i could blow up a building and claim my pet cat did it. It just deosn`t seem to fly based on what was shown.

    I just find it rather unbeliavable that the government could hush up something so overblown. I mean consider the stuff that the news scoops (without photo evidence in some cases) about the government that the government has tried to down play or hush up. And then consider how enticing a scoop "giant alien robots attack our cities!" would be to a reporter especially with hundreds of legitimate eye witness reports.

    It just seems rather naive to have that no one thinks anything happened because of a cover up. Its like having in superman returns that although superman 1 to 4 occurred nobody but lois knows that superman exists. It just seems incredibly unlikely.

    Even with cover story of hallucinogens, it would be unworkable. I mean a thousand people all have the same exact hallucinations and kid hallucinates robot throwing a car across the street and surprise surpries there is a car lodged in a building above said street.

    Somethings just can`t be hushed up. Giant robots attacking cities is one of them.
     
  11. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0


    I never said that it could be explained as a "couple of terrorists shot some people and set off a carbomb" but saying it was a group of terrorists that stole some experimental army hardwere would not be a hard sell.

    And I'm not underestimating the intelligence of people in general.A person is intelligent but a group of rarely are.I'm from NYC and I was at the in Manhattan durring the attacks and you wouldnt believe the differences in the so called "hundreds of legitimate eye witness reports" givven that day alone not counting all thousands of stories that have emerged since.

    And your underestimating the state of panic that remains in this country since the 911 attecks especially in large cities.

    Durring the summer of this year the intire city of Boston was shut down due to some movie advertisements for the "Aquateen Hunger Force Movie".

    Also in the summer of this year about 25 square block's around the uper east side of Manhattan was shut down because of a bad smell.And there was quite a good number of reports from people that said they saw people planting devises in the area.

    Every downed airplane or train wreck or major building collapse since the 911 attacks have all be thought to be part of a new terrorist attack and there is always a hudge number of reports of people saying that they saw suspicios people in the area days before the accidents or in the cases with the downed planes people claim to have seen a surface to air missle hit the plane before it went down.

    People in states of panic see things that didnt happen.

    In the case of the movie...the goverment would just come up with a posible story and continue to deny deny deny.......like they always have before claiming that anyone that thought they saw something other then the offical story was mistaken or hallucinating due to ether panic or because of some bio-chemical agent.
     
  12. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    Fair enough but i think the general public should be portrayed as being split on the issue, not just a handful of transformer believers and the vast majority of the population but a third believing gaint robot aliens did attack, a third believing it was all a terrorist attack and the rest unsure or not concerned about what happened.
     
  13. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    That how it would be in a real world scenario but as time passes the third believing gaint robot aliens did attack, would be labled conspiracy theorists and the and the half of the unsure will be swayed to the terrorist attack theroy.

    It's the nature of the "mob mentality" in this country as of late.Everyone's always looking for the eazyest answer to everything.
     
  14. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    Except there is gonna be a sequel so its gonna be even harder to believe that there aren`t giant robots around. I`d say it will prob go:
    Movie 1 - disbelief.
    Movie 2 -Skeptism and some disbelief.
    End of Movie 3 - General consensus that something out of the ordinary is in fact going on with many believing in the transformer`s existence.
     
  15. WarBlade Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2003
    Messages:
    3,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    The existence of the Transformers would be known, even if the origin is still obscure. Consider the facts that can be pieced together:

    • Hundreds of eye witness reports.
    • Numerous cell phone images.
    • Dozens of fragments of security camera footage.
    • Dozens of clips from news cameras.
    • Battle damage.
    • Several giant robot 'corpses' that will take hours to extract from the city.
    • A car found hours later with a hostile steering wheel.

    Sure, the word "terrorist" will quickly emerge in the rumour mill, but then people are going to be taking stock of the evidence and coming to quite a different conclusion. :oldrazz:
     
  16. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    Agreed.I was only refering to what public opinion would be after the events of the first film.
     
  17. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    All of which can be possibly explained by the goverment.

    Which would be said are the result of hysteria of mass hallucination due to never gas or some kind of bio chemical warfare.
    There would be no cell phone images.....the Decepticon virus effected all recording devices in the U.S. when it uploaded to the net and every computer connected to it.As well as desrubting the electrical grid so that nothing worked right.
    Again.....There would be no fragments of security camera footage.....the Decepticon virus effected all recording devices in the U.S. when it uploaded to the net and every computer connected to it.As well as desrubting the electrical grid so that nothing worked right.
    And Again.....There would be no clips from news cameras.....the Decepticon virus effected all recording devices in the U.S. when it uploaded to the net and every computer connected to it.As well as desrubting the electrical grid so that nothing worked right.

    That virus was an effective plot device.About the nly one in the movie that was well thought out.
    Which can be explained by ether the "terrorist attack" theroy or some natural disaster.
    Wouldnt takke that long if the Autobots were helping out with the bodies.They could have it done in about 1 hour tops.And the army would be moving the people further away from ground zero while its being done.
    The car [and the others brought to life] may have gone into hiding like most new born animals do or the Autobots may have a way to track them and find them quickly.
    Just like the million dollar industry that has been created by the 911 conspiracy buff's.

    None of the conspiracy theroies about 911 have really effected the U.S, goverments offical story.And none of the stories comeing from the people that believe that Robots were responcable for what happened in that city would alter the U.S, goverments offical story in that case ether.
     
  18. Jake Cassidy Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    18,214
    Likes Received:
    108
    All good points, but I don't think anyone would like to drink a BEAR. :grin:
     
  19. Iceburgeruk Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    0
    Techincally i said they were going to find a bear and then get a drink. I suppose he must be a russian or alaskan general then. They hang out with grizzly bears when they go boozing. lol.
     
  20. UltimateJustin The Hype's Black Purist

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,982
    Likes Received:
    0
    The end of the movie suggests there is speculation that something went on more than the government let on with Sam's parents not believing that, doesnt it?

    When Megatron flew through that building with Prime they had to have killed dozens of fools and that would lead to alot of people wanting to know the truth of what really happend. Aided by the thousands of eye witnesses I think a number of people would suspect something was up. Then again, some people dont even believe in ghost dinosaurs and we have video proof they exist.
     
  21. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    There's always people demanding the truth but they never get it.

    And the ghost dinosaurs video's.....what are you refering too????
     
  22. rsonbie456 Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2007
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think Jazz will be back because Megatron is HUGE and if he will be repaired then Jazz should be a piece of cake.:woot:
     
  23. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    Megatron has always come back to life every time he has dies.The only other characters to always come back is Starscream and Optimus Prime.

    I think that the main reason that Jazz was killed is because his character was one of the few Autobots to survive the 1986 movie and Bay was trying to make the statement that his movies will be nothing like the 86 movie.
     
  24. Jake Cassidy Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    18,214
    Likes Received:
    108
    The writers said that they killed Jazz because after Prime and Bumblebee, he'd be the character that most fans would care about.
     
  25. sto_vo_kor_2000 Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    I dont see how that applys to movie Jazz.He barly said anything in the whole film.And I always felt that Ironhide was a more popular character then Jazz.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"