Yeah, and like RotLA you could've glazed over all the, ahem, Jew killing and just focused on them as generic bad guys Americans aren't supposed to like.I definitely agree there. I assume, to make the movie more kid-friendly, they pretty much removed Nazism from almost the entire film.
Which sucks. Cap should've been like Raiders of the Lost Ark; Nazis everywhere.
I didn't have a problem with HYDRA being a separate, larger entity than the Nazis - especially by the end of the film when Red Skull makes us intentions clear - but at the beginning of it, the Nazis definitely should've been more prominent within HYDRA.Yeah, and like RotLA you could've glazed over all the, ahem, Jew killing and just focused on them as generic bad guys Americans aren't supposed to like.
I actually think it was less kid friendly and more to make HYDRA it's own thing. The anti-semtics aren't really what HYDRA will be about if they return in future films. They aren't really NAZIs. I agree with what you said though. Should have been NAZIs everywhere.
Look at X-Men: First Class being all ballsy with Nazis.
My biggest problem was Steve's explanation to nose dive the plane into
the ice. If he could control the craft enough to do that, why not take Peggy's advice and wait for help? He could have turned the craft around and flown it back out over the ocean where he could have maintained a position over the water until help arrived. It just seemed like suicide to me. From my perspective, the circumstances leading to the ship hitting the ice should have been beyond Cap's control. Damaged navigation equipment would have explained these circumstances much better than a personal choice to simply "die". That didn't make any sense to me, especially since doing away with the Red Skull didn't end the war with Germany and the Nazis. Why sacrifice yourself when your country could have still needed you?
Really to me it would have been better if the Nazi's had shown up, approved completely of his plans, walked away, and then have Zola find out he's secretly planning on destroying Germany in the process. I rather liked that, in his heart of hearts, Red Skull wanted undesputed power, even over the Nazis. After that it really wouldn't have matter if HYDRA were treated as it's own thing because we'd know the Nazis liked them and were blissfully unaware of their plans.I didn't have a problem with HYDRA being a separate, larger entity than the Nazis - especially by the end of the film when Red Skull makes us intentions clear - but at the beginning of it, the Nazis definitely should've been more prominent within HYDRA.
That still wouldn't have been enough Nazi involvement, for my tastes.Really to me it would have been better if the Nazi's had shown up, approved completely of his plans, walked away, and then have Zola find out he's secretly planning on destroying Germany in the process. I rather liked that, in his heart of hearts, Red Skull wanted undesputed power, even over the Nazis. After that it really wouldn't have matter if HYDRA were treated as it's own thing because we'd know the Nazis liked them and were blissfully unaware of their plans.
some complaints -
1. Hydra looked too much high tech for a WW 2 villain, it would have been acceptable if they had only One a weapon powered by the cosmic cube but they had a bunch of them, that made it look like GI Joe force.
2. I was hoping for a good fight scene between the Red Skull and Cap. America, which never happened.
3. Not much war story was covered, and Nazis did not make an appearance.
4. Far too much screen time was given to Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter scenes.
5. Howling commandos were given very little to do.
6. The end scene where cap. crashes the plane into Arctic, was it even necessary ? He could have used a parachute to jump off once he knew that plane would crash into desolate remote arctic and wait for assistance.
Agreed. However, 1) I feel Peggy and Cap didn't have enough screentime together and that their love felt forced rather than genuine. Like Thor when you think of it.
2) The plane was on autopilot. If he abandoned it it would have continued on and destroyed the cities. He had to crash it.
some complaints -
5. Howling commandos were given very little to do.
6. The end scene where cap. crashes the plane into Arctic, was it even necessary ? He could have used a parachute to jump off once he knew that plane would crash into desolate remote arctic and wait for assistance.
What didn't I like about this movie? first thing that comes to mind the atrocious blue/green screen. It's obvious they put all their cg money into skinny Steve because the cg everywhere else in the movie especially the backgrounds is just awful.
i agree with the Howling Commandos part. the reason why Cap never had a parachute was because he was supposed to be frozen in the ice for about 70 years, hence the very beginning of the movie when SHIELD discovers the wreckage in the arctic. if Cap had a parachute, he wouldnt be alive for The Avengers; if anything, he'd probably be really old and grey.
He has basically no engines on the plane so I don't he could turn it in any way plus it had many holes in it and it was on auto pilot. They don't really give an explanation as why he can't turn it but there are plenty of factors there for the audience to just go with it. I felt that the Peggy/Cap relationship is so far the best in any comic book movie and that is all due to the 2 actors. Its definitely not the best written one thats for sure but the 2 just had phenomenal chemistry and there was something about their relationship to where you wanted to see them get together and be together which is why the ending so much heart wrenching.
What didn't I like about this movie? first thing that comes to mind the atrocious blue/green screen. It's obvious they put all their cg money into skinny Steve because the cg everywhere else in the movie especially the backgrounds is just awful.
I guess it didn't bother me that a soldiers first question is about the outcome of a war. Seventy years is enough time that anything could happen or change.
My least favorite part essentially was that I felt Red Skull was divorced from the Nazis far too quickly. I would have rather the Nazis been fully complicit in his activities even if they weren't fully aware of them.
Overall, I liked it and recommend it. But yeah, I got a few nitpicks.
Too derivitive?
I know it's the nature of the comic book origin movie, but for the first time I felt like maybe I'd see enough superhero movies. I'd seen a lot of these beats before.
1.Weak guy gets strong (Spider-Man, Hulk)
2.Gains power in experiment gone wrong (Spider-Man, Hulk)
3. Kindly mentor dies (Iron Man, Spider-Man)
4.Action set peice avenging mentors' death (Spider-Man, Iron Man)
5.Intial crappy costume (Spider-Man, Iron Man)
6.Originally using powers for wrong reason (Spider-Man)
7.Hero wakes up in a different world and starts kicking ass (Thor)
8.Hero doesn't get girl at the end (Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor)
I also thought it was a bit contrived how he became the Army recruitment mascot. Here the goverment just spent untold millions on this super soilder serum, it actually works, people are willing to kill and die for it and then they just dismiss the guy? Why wouldn't they at least send him into battle? You paid for him, you might as well use him. And it would make a lot more sense for the army to hire an actor for these recruitment drives rather than cast this secret government test project, no?
And at times, I thought the backgrounds were a little too fakey. I never thought I was looking at the 1940's but a greenscreen of the 1940's. I think more practical sets, with a real weight and feel to them would have given the Times Square ending even more impact. I'm sure they used plently of real sets but there were times I couldn't help but picture the actors in front of a green screen on a sound stage.
Overall though, great job. Make Mine Marvel. What say you?