Discussion in 'Captain America: The First Avenger' started by gridlockd, Jul 26, 2011.
Thought of another thing.
They needed more Natalie Dormer.
She's Natalie Dormer.
You know, I was just thinking the same thing a while ago. I would've loved to see another Cap film before the Avengers, especially if its main focus is showing him trying to adjust to today's world, while struggling to hold on to his past. I don't know if they will show signs of that in the Avengers, but I would love to see them move forward with the character afterwards.
One of the SHIELD agents specifically asks "How come nobody spotted this thing before?" ....to which the local replies, "It's really not that surprising .... because this landscape is always changing."
again, that does nothing to explain the immediate problem. It does wonders however for the non issue of why they hadn't spotted a giant ship floating around 70years later...kudos.
I just think they created a plot hole and they gave a half ass explanation to cover it.
The only thing I thought needed improvement was the montage of scenes of Cap and the Howling Commandos taking out the Hydra bases...I think each scene should have been a little longer.
I was really hoping that one of the Hydra agents would get his head blown off and the sprout two more in its place.
I felt like they kind of wasted the Howling Commandos and Bucky, whose potential was never really capitalized on. Did we ever even learn their names? Here's hoping sequels would delve into the montage days with a bit more depth.
It's funny how the people who complained about how there weren't enough Nazis in the advertising were ridiculed on this board, seeing as how there were barely any Nazis in the movie. Hydra even breaks with them fairly early on. I would've liked to have seen Cap fighting some SS men and the like.
That's one reason why I'm hoping that the Cap sequels take place in WWII. I can forgive the glossing over of the commandos and Bucky if we get more of them in sequels.
I thought there were more than enough Nazis. They were in the beginning of the film in Norway and when they visited Red Skull.
I pretty much agree. Obviously the filmmakers saw it as a possible plothole too. If it made logic sense to everyone, there would have been no need for the up-front explanation.
Maybe if it were falsely concluded by Stark and the government, that the ship exploded on impact and Cap was dead, I would have bought it better. As it stands, Howard Stark doesn't strike me as the type to give up. If he can make a car fly (kinda) he could have probably tracked down that giant ship in the ice.
I found it perfectly plausible. He crash landed in an area that was probably hundreds of miles of pure ice. His ship was covered inside the ice for most of the time until a freak coincidence lead to him getting uncovered. Trying to find it would literally be like looking for a needle in a haystack. The plane was emitting no energy signature (like the cube was) so you literally had to just blindly search.
The only problems I had was Bucky's death. It just didn't have much of an emotional impact. I think Bucky and Steve's relationship should have been built on more, so when he finally did die, it was a huge shock to the audience. I expected Bucky to get saved by Steve a few times, just to get the audience in that comfortable mindset of "oh, he's the hero's friend that always gets saved but never dies." Only to hit you with a whammy closer to the end of the film.
I also thought Steve and Peggy's relationship could have been explored more as well.
Eh, you know what I mean. The kindly old sage who guides the hero in the beginning then dies. Basically the same guy in Cap and Iron Man. And basically Uncle Ben in Spider Man.
Iron Man still avenged his friend in the cave. As did Cap, as did Spider-Man.
-Cap used his powers to lift girls on a motorcycle in a USO show. We all know that's not what he was meant to do with his life. Just like we know Spider-Man isn't meant to become a pro-wrestler in the first movie.
He made the car fly for mere seconds.
So it was emitting an energy up until it hit the ground? So if they know where it went down, just concentrate your search in that area. Would it take even 5 years if you know where to look? Just seems like they want it both ways, Stark has all this crazy cutting-edge technology but oh, we don't have the technology to find this giant ship in the snow. I'm not saying it ruins the movie but again, the filmmakers themselves obviously saw that this way an issue or they wouldn't have added that pre-emptive expository dialouge.
There are some things already posted I agree with:
1 - The missions montage rushed over the action too much when I was hoping for a big action set-piece (the mountain base was a perfect opportunity but even that one was rushed too).
2 - Red Skull & Hydra vs the Nazis - just not enough explanation there to show how or why they were or weren't working together. And I agree there should've been more Nazis in the movie.
3 - Didn't see enough of Cap's full range of abilities. We mostly just saw him taking out bad guys swiftly (mostly by punching them and using the shield) but not really much else. The jump across the fallen walkway (right after the first meeting with Red Skull) for example - the editing by not showing his full jump across was instantly annoying. I was expecting to see Cap have at least some Spider-Man style moves (in terms of agility and movement style) but nada.
4 - One thing I haven't seen mentioned in any threads so far: the Asian and black characters totally took me out of the WW2 timeline. What was the point of adding them when Asians and blacks were both highly segregated during WW2? There was just no believability there at all for me. I can't believe that someone working on the movie, let alone the director, intentionally put those characters in there, it was just completely jarring. For a modern-era timeline, sure, why not. But for a WW2-era movie, it just stuck out like a sore thumb and ruined the believability and verisimilitude. I'd seriously like to know what the filmmakers were thinking.
5 - Oh yeah and the ending was way too abrupt too. Cap's line and then bam, black screen, cue victorious music. There needed to be something more to add either impact or emotion.
I agree with this, that would've been funny & awesome as hell.
Definitely agree with the Bucky and Peggy relationships too. They were good as-is but could've been fleshed out more.
Not just any energy though .... the cube's energy. Without it being aboard the plane, they can't trace it back to there ....... and they WERE in the vicinity that's why you saw Stark insist to keep looking.
I didn't like that the movie ended. I could have sat there watching for hours more.
You misunderstood the movie. The plane never emitted an energy signature. It was the cube. "But the energy signature stop's here." The cube was emitting an energy signature, the plane never did. They didn't actually know where the plane hit the ground. Hence why it was basically impossible to locate.
Also, I don't like that I have a 900 day wait before I will get to see a Captain America 2.
At least we get Avengers to hold us over on our Cap sequel wait, LOL!
You could always watch this to pass the time:
Captain America II
cap and the dogs is too epic
I thought Hugo Weaving's accent sounded more Austrian than German, but that's just a nitpick.
The character of Peggy Carter was also very out of place in the 1940's. I'm surprised no one in the movie pointed that out. But then they were dealing with super soldiers and crazy futuristic technology.
I noticed the same thing. I thought it was weird because women were just starting to take their first steps towards equality after the war, and any woman that was overseas was usually just a nurse or secretary and not some high ranking officer. My guess is she was just really good at the job and was easy on the eyes.