Something I don't understand about the black suit?

[SolidSnake]

If the symbiote covers Peter when he is sleeping and just changes the color of his suit then how come when he is in church tower thing he rips off the suit and the black color stays on it, then how does it cover Brock in the leaked trailer?

 

[Spade]

After the tendrils shoot out I think it's safe to say the symbiote stopped showing signs of life, because I don't think Peter would leave the belltower if it were still flailing around. Some creatures are known to fake death in a situation like that. It probably detaches from the torn shreds of his costume after appearing to be lifeless and when the bells finally stopped, and starts moving below the belltower. Then...well, the rest is clear: it finds Brock (without his coat on) who already knows Peter is Spider-Man and merges with him instead to become what we call 'Venom'.

 

[<(o_o)>]

In the teaser trailer Peter just tears off a black Spidey suit but in the official trailer we see the same scene with the cgi symbiote added over Peter's body & he tears the symbiote suit appart & it once again becomes all oozey & drips down onto Eddie.

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Hmm good question. Man so Venom is a Alein.

 

[superduperhero]

I wonder how he will be named Venom in the film.?

 

[Dragon]

If the symbiote covers Peter when he is sleeping and just changes the color of his suit then how come when he is in church tower thing he rips off the suit and the black color stays on it, then how does it cover Brock in the leaked trailer?

Because the symbiote has adhered itself to the costume, and likely consumes it- and as you can see in the trailer, it's trying to adhere itself to Peter.

After Peter frees himself, the symbiote is back in its glob state until it attaches to Brock. It forms a similar costume because the Spidey suit is in its memory.

 

[RMThompson]

I wonder how he will be named Venom in the film.?

I hope they name themselves Venom, because they want to kill Parker.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

If the symbiote covers Peter when he is sleeping and just changes the color of his suit then how come when he is in church tower thing he rips off the suit and the black color stays on it, then how does it cover Brock in the leaked trailer?

it completeley disinigraded the red and blue suit and took complete control, that means when he rips the suit off the suit is like gooey and sticky and wont come off easily, the suit is the symbiote and the symbiote can transform its self into anything, the suit was the symbiote.

 

[Arcturus]

Because the symbiote has adhered itself to the costume, and likely consumes it- and as you can see in the trailer, it's trying to adhere itself to Peter.

After Peter frees himself, the symbiote is back in its glob state until it attaches to Brock. It forms a similar costume because the Spidey suit is in its memory.

I totally agree with you, Dragon.

 

[November Rain]

because they have messed up.

To do the Venom similar to the one from the comics, they should have had two spidey costumes. the symbiote one and the original with spidey choosing to wear the symbiote one more often and then all the time. This way the symbiote would then be the whole costume and adhere to its host parker. then making it more comic like and this would allow the quick forming venom we see in the leaked trailer.


BUT

since the symbiote joined onto spidey's old costume, it should have stayed there and manipulated spidey into keeping it on full time, with spidey ripping the costume off and it still being a costume of sorts, a living outfit. then brock should have been below wearing some white and the costume comes and joins onto his current clothes and forms an amalgam venom suit with aspects of spidey's black suit encorporated with brock's current white(ish) clothing.



at the moment we have a mix and match of costume and symbiote based motivations and there is no real reason for it. the only cross example would be that the symbiote has absorbed the original spidey suit. BUT we have seen in the second film (when spidey is changing for mj's play) that he only has a single suit, ,so it makes you wonder how the hell he has time to make the final one for his battle at the end of the film.

 

[huskerwebhead]

because they have messed up.

To do the Venom similar to the one from the comics, they should have had two spidey costumes. the symbiote one and the original with spidey choosing to wear the symbiote one more often and then all the time. This way the symbiote would then be the whole costume and adhere to its host parker. then making it more comic like and this would allow the quick forming venom we see in the leaked trailer.

If I remember the comics correctly, there was not (initially) two costumes for Pete to wear. He got the symbiote costume during the Sercret Wars cause his original was ruined. At that point the symbiote was his only costume. Once he got rid of the symbiote he made a black costume similar to it...and the original Red/Blue.

at the moment we have a mix and match of costume and symbiote based motivations and there is no real reason for it. the only cross example would be that the symbiote has absorbed the original spidey suit. BUT we have seen in the second film (when spidey is changing for mj's play) that he only has a single suit, ,so it makes you wonder how the hell he has time to make the final one for his battle at the end of the film.

I think we are assuming alot right now cause we don't have all the information. How do we not know that Spidey didn't make a backup suit at some point after the second movie...or MJ did? And we don't necessarily know that the Venom/Spidey battle happens immediately after he discards the symbiote. It may be one of those "A couple weeks later" things...which would have given him enough time to make a new suit.

 

[Sean Adisano]

In the teaser trailer Peter just tears off a black Spidey suit but in the official trailer we see the same scene with the cgi symbiote added over Peter's body & he tears the symbiote suit appart & it once again becomes all oozey & drips down onto Eddie.

the teaser trailer the effects were added yet. they had tobey rip of the suite so he would have the motions of ripping of the symbiote when they added the cgi.

my guess is that the symbiote first attaches to the spider-man suite, we know that. and we know he can take off the black suite because we seen it off him and hes touching it.

but i think the longer he keeps it on then the symbiote attaches to peter completely, the more peter gives in. and it may obsorb the spider-man suite or whatever...but in the end its attached to peter, not the spider-man suite.

 

[November Rain]

If I remember the comics correctly, there was not (initially) two costumes for Pete to wear. He got the symbiote costume during the Sercret Wars cause his original was ruined. At that point the symbiote was his only costume. Once he got rid of the symbiote he made a black costume similar to it...and the original Red/Blue.

i never said they should base it off what happened in the comics, I was just giving my impression of what they should have done.

the alternate suit theory was implied in the cartoons and i feel giving parker the choice to choose which path he will lead will add to the 'giving in to temptation' rather than having him being 'forced' to go bad. he could try sandman with his old costume realise he can't take him, then notice the benefits of the new one, and use it instead even though he's been noticing behavioural changes within himself when he has it on. Having a choice always makes the path to the darkside seem more sinister. Remember there was no choice in the comics because the symbiote never affected parker's mental state

I think we are assuming alot right now cause we don't have all the information. How do we not know that Spidey didn't make a backup suit at some point after the second movie...or MJ did? And we don't necessarily know that the Venom/Spidey battle happens immediately after he discards the symbiote. It may be one of those "A couple weeks later" things...which would have given him enough time to make a new suit.

he's got only one suit because i say so...

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

how does it cover Brock in the leaked trailer?

What leaked trailer?

Link. Please.

 

[November Rain]

er there are bullentins and stickies all over this board about it, i suggest you catch up on one of them mehzeb, posting links is a big no no

 

[Brown]

..and in regards to the mask, do we assume that the symbiote manipulates itself into the form of Pete's mask... or.................... inbetween covering Spidey's body and him becoming upside outside that building, it has covered the mask and he has put it on??

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but the eyes on the Symbiote costume look a tad more angled and "evil" and it obviously manipulates the spidey logo on his chest.

So whats up with the mask?

 

[DOG LIPS]

..and in regards to the mask, do we assume that the symbiote manipulates itself into the form of Pete's mask... or.................... inbetween covering Spidey's body and him becoming upside outside that building, it has covered the mask and he has put it on??

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but the eyes on the Symbiote costume look a tad more angled and "evil" and it obviously manipulates the spidey logo on his chest.

So whats up with the mask?

I thought about that, and then I thought about how he wears the black suit under his clothes in several shots. Maybe the mask is the one part that "goos" on? Like it just covered his suit, but it actually mimics the mask? Just a theory.

 

[November Rain]

i have a 'morping' mask theory....

there's a shot of parker looking at his costume in the trailer and there is no mask there, i would say the symbiote always provides a mask of sort for him when it's necessary.

considering nothing else is likely to morph, it's my little hope they keep something from the comics there...

saying this though, he does rip a mask off in the trailers but we dont see if it rejoins the rest of the symbiote body or whatever during that belltower scene...

still, there's enough to suggest a morphing mask...

 

[Brown]

I thought about that, and then I thought about how he wears the black suit under his clothes in several shots. Maybe the mask is the one part that "goos" on? Like it just covered his suit, but it actually mimics the mask? Just a theory.

i have a 'morping' mask theory....

there's a shot of parker looking at his costume in the trailer and there is no mask there, i would say the symbiote always provides a mask of sort for him when it's necessary.

considering nothing else is likely to morph, it's my little hope they keep something from the comics there...

saying this though, he does rip a mask off in the trailers but we dont see if it rejoins the rest of the symbiote body or whatever during that belltower scene...

still, there's enough to suggest a morphing mask...

I love it.. nice theories, fella's. It would be cool of Raimi to keep that element of the comics in there.

You do see it cover his face, so I guess it could "grow" from the neck upwards when Pete wants to use his powers / become Spidey

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because the symbiote has adhered itself to the costume, and likely consumes it- and as you can see in the trailer, it's trying to adhere itself to Peter.

After Peter frees himself, the symbiote is back in its glob state until it attaches to Brock. It forms a similar costume because the Spidey suit is in its memory.

very well said.

 

[SolidSnake]

Great discussion isn't it? t:

 

[Eternalzero]

I thought about that, and then I thought about how he wears the black suit under his clothes in several shots. Maybe the mask is the one part that "goos" on? Like it just covered his suit, but it actually mimics the mask? Just a theory.

I thought about it as well...
In the new OFFICIAL trailer, you clearly see the symbiote latch onto peter's costume absorrb into the material (making it very metal-ish and alien texture in appearance) and morphs the logo.

However, more importantly, the symbiote covers his uncovered face....now why Spider-man sleeps in his suit w/out blankets is pretty odd (unless he's over at MJs place, but doubtful). So this sequence is probably like the animated cartoon where he has this (Dream or episode) and basically will wake up on the side of the building in the suit.

All in all, its pretty safe to assume that like the rest of the suit, the symbiote also covered the mask and modified the eyes as well. I absolutley LOVE the purple hue outlining the eyes, looks amazingly alive...

And yes, the symbiote took its time to mold into the material of the suit, so the bell tower scene wil consists of the the symbiote eventually diffusing out of the ruined costume, eventually falling onto Brock.

In regards to the symbiote mask on spidey.... I would LOVE if they included the "mouth" when Peter gets really pissed off, showing how alien/corruputed he is becoming, foreshadowing venom and convincing Peter that the has to leave the suit. (as they did in Ultimate Spider-man).

I don't think we'll see any cool instant symbiote suit like in the cartoons or comics on spider-man but definetly on Brock. I think the bust of venom pretty much confirms this....

 

[StarkCEO]

Could the symbiote fit a large man? I mean I'm 350 lbs. Are the symbiotes BBF?

In case you don't speak fat boy... BBF means Big Boy Friendly. Most stores are not by the way. I mean is it so hard to carry XXL?

 

[lordofthenerds]

Well if a teenager could acquire superpowers by being bitten by a radio-active spider, I'm sure you could come up with a couple of good reasons.

 

[Eternalzero]

Could the symbiote fit a large man? I mean I'm 350 lbs. Are the symbiotes BBF?

In case you don't speak fat boy... BBF means Big Boy Friendly. Most stores are not by the way. I mean is it so hard to carry XXL?

I would assume the bigger you are, the weaker the entity is.
The symbiote powers the entity, if you are "wasting" symbiote in protecting mroe surface area, and other "energy" expelling areas (bigger guys need more help than thinner guys) then you are using up more of the symbiote.

In the comics the symbiote's web was actually part symbiote, and Spider-man made Venom chase him until he was ultimatly tired out from the loss of symbiotness...

I don't know if you were asking a seriouse question, because this a very nerdy response, but meh, I'm nerdy.