Lantern Venom
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2 weeks from today---the Lethal Protector arrives!
How does Venom current adventures ties back to his origin with Spiderman? 'cause i'm reading them and im not seeing it. He doesn't hate Spiderman anymore, he doesn't even know who spiderman is anymore.The Venom we see in the comics now, while having his own adventures, still ties back to his origin with Spider-Man.
I understand the hype from some posters in this thread, but you all have to realize - this is a Sony Pictures superhero movie at the end of the day. The studio that produced the clunky turds that were the Amazing Spider-Man films. Temper your expectations a notch or two and I'm sure you can enjoy a bit of it, but Sony set the review embargo so close to the release date for a reason.
The reasoning here seems to be this: When a movie is bad, it's because of Sony but when it's good, it's thanks to the Director, and Sony had absolutely nothing to do with it.They were all Sony made. SM3 was also Raimi made just like SM1 and SM2. there is no pattern that can be blamed on one individual depending on when something is good or bad.
Because this iteration of Venom originated with Peter Parker? Why are you having a hard time understanding that?How does Venom current adventures ties back to his origin with Spiderman? 'cause i'm reading them and im not seeing it. He doesn't hate Spiderman anymore, he doesn't even know who spiderman is anymore.
The reasoning here seems to be this: When a movie is bad, it's because of Sony but when it's good, it's thanks to the Director, and Sony had absolutely nothing to do with it.
All of those takes on Venom (using Eddie Brock) still tie his origin to Peter Parker. Then you have versions like "Agent Venom" which is Flash Thompson.I haven't followed the History of Venom but i am almost certain there has been a dozen different takes on Venom.
The dialogue and everything still just seems kind of ham-handed.
"The guy that you work for is an evil person"
Also how bluntly Eddie just segues into accusing Drake of killing people, and how bluntly Drake threatens Eddie, presumably still on camera.
It just all feels on-the-nose.
And yea, Hardy's accent sounds kind of garbled. He's done American accents before that sounded better than this.
Who said anything about Homecoming???Uh... no. Sony had very little to do with the success of Homecoming other than making a deal with marvel. In fact, why do you think they made a deal with Marvel in the first place? They were failing with the character. Obviously there are multiple factors in why a movie failed or succeeded, but we can see a trend with Sony. The more influence they have over the film, the worse it does.
How does Venom current adventures ties back to his origin with Spiderman? 'cause i'm reading them and im not seeing it. He doesn't hate Spiderman anymore, he doesn't even know who spiderman is anymore.
Oh you dont have to reminds us.. everytime someone say it's excited about the Venom movie the next 20 comments are about how he shouldnt be 'cause its made by Sony and how much its gonna suck.
Nope. I got one could care less about the mcu before spidey joined. But Sony does suck. They are not a good studio to handle the character.I think the point is Sony suck and marvel is awesome.
The assessment of the film so far I agree with. The trailers aren't inspiring much hope in me. But, to be fair, I think trailers are about as helpful as say...a horoscope. Sometimes they offer information that happens to be useful, most of the time they're just fluff. I've seen too many bad films with great trailers, and too many great films with meh or cruddy trailers to really care what a trailer shows me anymore.Yea so? This is a venom origin movie. That means it should tell the story of why venom is who he is . But they are skipping that all together and ignoring why he’s venom in the first place .
The only reason he became a lethal protector is cause of the deal he made with Spider-Man to leave him alone but he eventually cane back. His whole existence is and always will be heavily connected to Spider-Man.
And Sony destroyed people’s trust in there franchise so of course people are skeptical. Like I keep telling sm7. Sony can’t be trusted after 3 **** ups. They almost ruined the brand and now they are rushing out venom after they made a deal with marvel. Sure they can show pretty trailers and all that but they did it before. If the execution is bad then it doesn’t matter and judging by that clip the dialogue is pretty bad
yeah, i mean im not a Sony fanboy or anything, i think Spiderman 3 and Amazing Spider-man 2 were awfull movies and like i've said before, even though i like what i've seen so far about Venom my expectations for the movie are not that high. But they've made good movies before (Spiderman 2 is still one of my favourites CBM ever), maybe they can do it again.I think the point is Sony suck and marvel is awesome.
This is true. Disney didn't acquire Marvel studios because Iger simply loves him some Iron Man. They want to make money.yeah, i mean im not a Sony fanboy or anything, i think Spiderman 3 and Amazing Spider-man 2 were awfull movies and like i've said before, even though i like what i've seen so far about Venom my expectations for the movie are not that high. But they've made good movies before (Spiderman 2 is still one of my favourites CBM ever), maybe they can do it again.
I also think its funny when ppl say "Sony is doing it for the money", of course they are doing it for the money!! Do they really believe other studios make comic book movies out of love the characters? 'cause that's delusional.
I'm glad to hear someone outside of myself say, " they don't mind the approach at Venom's origin...versus Sony's trust factor".
I've been a staunch advocate of how zvenom orgin can be effectively done, without Spiderman, initially....while trying to convey my understanding of what Sony is trying to build here, even though i truely wish they would have seeked help from some of writers that at one time, if not currently, with Marvel to help build their current universe
See, if anything IMO, Disney/Marvel show more care for/interest in money, in the fact that they don't necessarily care about making incredible, transcendent movies, only movies that are good-decent enough, follow the blueprint, and expand the 'brand.' They/that may be more forward thinking, planned out, ect., but to me it's forward thinking about future revenue and BO. They don't take chances, they don't do anything crazy or original or inspiring. They make good movies, and basically churn out BO guarantees, not unique, artistic film achievements.
This is my main gripe about Marvel. They get all this praise (which they deserve regarding certain things), but it's praise for the wrong things. They essentially get lauded for 'playing it safe,' something Feige has literally admitted to, which I think is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. I'm all for praising them, but not when it comes at the expense of other studios getting slammed for trying to do anything different. I get that these other studios may sometimes make bad movies, but it's usually more from the result of trying to do something new or different or unique, basically trying too hard. And I think that's bad for the industry.
It's why I really hate the 'quick buck' criticism that gets levied on other studios all the time
TASM movies may have been bad, but they really did try to shoot for the stars.. They assembled all-star casts, all star crews, and Hans Zimmer even put together an all-star band for the score/soundtrack for 2. While I personally loved those films, I understand why they're widely hated/disliked, but it wasn't from Sony looking for a 'cash-grab.' It was the result of the creators/filmmakers trying so hard to make something great (you can see the passion in those two movies, esp. from Webb and Garfield) that it just didn't all come together apparently.
Sony has been trying to make this Venom movie for a decade+, so I don't understand how it's a "quick cash grab"
See, if anything IMO, Disney/Marvel show more care for/interest in money, in the fact that they don't necessarily care about making incredible, transcendent movies, only movies that are good-decent enough, follow the blueprint, and expand the 'brand.' They/that may be more forward thinking, planned out, ect., but to me it's forward thinking about future revenue and BO. They don't take chances, they don't do anything crazy or original or inspiring. They make good movies, and basically churn out BO guarantees, not unique, artistic film achievements.
This is my main gripe about Marvel. They get all this praise (which they deserve regarding certain things), but it's praise for the wrong things. They essentially get lauded for 'playing it safe,' something Feige has literally admitted to, which I think is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. I'm all for praising them, but not when it comes at the expense of other studios getting slammed for trying to do anything different. I get that these other studios may sometimes make bad movies, but it's usually more from the result of trying to do something new or different or unique, basically trying too hard. And I think that's bad for the industry.
It's why I really hate the 'quick buck' criticism that gets levied on other studios all the time
TASM movies may have been bad, but they really did try to shoot for the stars.. They assembled all-star casts, all star crews, and Hans Zimmer even put together an all-star band for the score/soundtrack for 2. While I personally loved those films, I understand why they're widely hated/disliked, but it wasn't from Sony looking for a 'cash-grab.' It was the result of the creators/filmmakers trying so hard to make something great (you can see the passion in those two movies, esp. from Webb and Garfield) that it just didn't all come together apparently.
Sony has been trying to make this Venom movie for a decade+, so I don't understand how it's a "quick cash grab"
What are u talking about? The amazing Spider-Man movies were made purely for money and no love was put into them at all they made those films to keep to the rights. The second film was even worse they tried to make a billion dollar film but failed. They should of listened to the fans and did spidey 4 or mcu reboot but they were so greedy.
And yea they’ve been trying to get this film off the ground but why now? When they made a deal with marvel. They no venom is popular and it’s clearly a cash grab if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you. Everything about the movie is rushed so that they can establish venom. The asm2 was as coperate as it gets. Setting up films that nobody wanted and trying to copy the marvel formula. They didn’t care about shooting for the stars.
Disney has and had a plan like them or not they know what they want. Sony just like WB saw what marvel was doing and said “ dur let’s make a universe with one character”
Ok last thing. While the existence of those movies may have been credited strictly to Sony needing to keep the rights, you're crazy if you don't at least think the people/team Sony hired to make those movies didn't pour a ton of effort, heart and passion into them. AG basically cried talking about playing the role, Webb was incredibly passionate and thoughtful about everything, especially the Peter/Gwen relationship, and Zimmer pulled out every stop imaginable to make one of the greatest scores he could (to which I still think he succeeded, the music in that film is spectacular). The finished product may not have lived up to their expectations, but I'm so sick of hearing the blatant hate against a film where regardless of motive, people put their hearts into it. I guess bashing Sony is alright though, I just really liked the creative team
So? People say pretty words and put passion behind a film all the time. Look at the new Star Wars film. Yea they worked hard but doesn’t change the fact the choices they made suck and it was headlined by a horrible studio and producers. The creative team may of had good intentions but the studio made the worst Spider-Man franchise to come out in recent years. Yea it could been different but it ended up being trash cause of the people on top being greedy. Stop with the comparisons to Disney. Disney had a sound plan . Sony has no plan. Disney said “ let’s make money by building up our characters”Ok last thing. While the existence of those movies may have been credited strictly to Sony needing to keep the rights, you're crazy if you don't at least think the people/team Sony hired to make those movies didn't pour a ton of effort, heart and passion into them. AG basically cried talking about playing the role, Webb was incredibly passionate and thoughtful about everything, especially the Peter/Gwen relationship, and Zimmer pulled out every stop imaginable to make one of the greatest scores he could (to which I still think he succeeded, the music in that film is spectacular). The finished product may not have lived up to their expectations, but I'm so sick of hearing the blatant hate against a film where regardless of motive, people put their hearts into it. I guess bashing Sony is alright though, I just really liked the creative team
So? People say pretty words and put passion behind a film all the time. Look at the new Star Wars film. Yea they worked hard but doesn’t change the fact the choices they made suck and it was headlined by a horrible studio and producers. The creative team may of had good intentions but the studio made the worst Spider-Man franchise to come out in recent years. Yea it could been different but it ended up being trash cause of the people on top being greedy.