Sony Spin-Off Sony's Spider-Man Universe is now the official title for Sony's own Marvel Cinematic Universe

[TheVileOne]

Sony Pictures is run by morons and they don't vet their projects at all. They aren't reading their scripts. No one there gets or understands Spider-Man. They just see a bunch of characters and try to make movies out of them.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Sony Pictures is run by morons and they don't vet their projects at all. They aren't reading their scripts. No one there gets or understands Spider-Man. They just see a bunch of characters and try to make movies out of them.

What do you expect from a universe run by Avi Arad, Amy Pascal and Tom Rothman? Three of the worst executives in the CBM game.

 

[psylockolussus]

Venom
Morbius
Venom: Let There Be Carnage
Madame Web
Kraven the Hunter

What a cinematic disaster series of Marvel films! Now give us the cross over film of the decade with Morbius & Madame Web

 

[TheVileOne]

What do you expect from a universe run by Avi Arad, Amy Pascal and Tom Rothman? Three of the worst executives in the CBM game.

Some self-awareness and to at least actually read their scripts.

But yeah, after Elektra and what happened with Spider-Man 3, it's clear that Avi Arad is just a money and content guy. He's not a good storyteller. And yeah with Rothman, we've been here before.

I doubt Amy Pascal has ever read a comic in her life.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Some self-awareness and to at least actually read their scripts.

But yeah, after Elektra and what happened with Spider-Man 3, it's clear that Avi Arad is just a money and content guy. He's not a good storyteller. And yeah with Rothman, we've been here before.

I doubt Amy Pascal has ever read a comic in her life.

I absolutely love Pascal's completely insane leaked email about their plans for Spider-Man back in 2014.

"Possibly return to Spider-Man 4, recast Toby Macguire and Dunst, convince Raimi to return and write/direct"

"Avi is essential to any Spider-man movie and any deal with any studio would involve him as a producer".

"Toby Macguire and Andrew together = about 2 billion in profits"

"Share rights with Marvel. This benefits Marvel more than us. so not that great"

And then there's that insane movie slate (Gwen Stacy/Carnage film that leads into a Venom film) and the fact that Pascal apparently doesn't know how to spell Tobey Maguire's name.

Edit: and lol at "Kevin seems offended".

 

[TheVileOne]

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I absolutely love Pascal's completely insane leaked email about their plans for Spider-Man back in 2014.

"Possibly return to Spider-Man 4, recast Toby Macguire and Dunst, convince Raimi to return and write/direct"

"Avi is essential to any Spider-man movie and any deal with any studio would involve him as a producer".

"Toby Macguire and Andrew together = about 2 billion in profits"

"Share rights with Marvel. This benefits Marvel more than us. so not that great"

And then there's that insane movie slate (Gwen Stacy/Carnage film that leads into a Venom film) and the fact that Pascal apparently doesn't know how to spell Tobey Maguire's name.

Edit: and lol at "Kevin seems offended".

Sounds like Disney/Marvel should offer Sony a pot of gold to just end this Spider-madness.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Sounds like Disney/Marvel should offer Sony a pot of gold to just end this Spider-madness.

According to this e-mail Feige was willing to offer 2 billion but that still wasn't enough for Sony. They wanted 3-5 (or even more). Amazing Spider-Man 2 underperforming was clearly the best thing that could have happened to Spider-Man.-

In hindsight, reading this is pretty interesting. What ended up happening is pretty much exactly the second option outlined ("Spider-Man in Infinity War and Civil War with a new solo reboot produced by Us released in 2017, with a sequel in 2019). Well, except for the fact that Sony would have creative control ("Marvel want creative control but we have a plan so in a shared universe we'd have a say in most things" haha).

Sony even got that Tobey Maguire/Andrew Garfield movie in 2021 as they had originally planned.

 

[TheVileOne]

According to this e-mail Feige was willing to offer 2 billion but that still wasn't enough for Sony. They wanted 3-5 (or even more). Amazing Spider-Man 2 underperforming was clearly the best thing that could have happened to Spider-Man.-

In hindsight, reading this is pretty interesting. What ended up happening is pretty much exactly the second option outlined ("Spider-Man in Infinity War and Civil War with a new solo reboot produced by Us released in 2017, with a sequel in 2019). Well, except for the fact that Sony would have creative control ("Marvel want creative control but we have a plan so in a shared universe we'd have a say in most things" haha).

Sony even got that Tobey Maguire/Andrew Garfield movie in 2021 as they had originally planned.

Well No Way Home made $2 billion. So it's got to be a bigger offer.

 

[psylockolussus]

In hindsight, Disney should have gave them the amount of money Sony wanted. Though not sure, how long it would take for Disney to recoup 3 to 5 billion (or more) for buying the film rights. But at least they wouldn't have to deal with Sony for years to come with Sony's Marvel films and they would have gotten the complete freedom. Imagine still having Sony's number everytime there's an Avengers film because Spider is with them... And us, the general public would have only seen MCU films (post 2017), aside from few FoX films that were released in 2017 to 2020.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

^for whats its worth now { nearly 2 years later} the joke was...

E.W. = Each Word (as in the first letter of "Each Word")

in case it wasn't still clear

LMAO! I don't think I ever even got that back then! That's pretty good!

Sony Pictures is run by morons and they don't vet their projects at all. They aren't reading their scripts. No one there gets or understands Spider-Man. They just see a bunch of characters and try to make movies out of them.

Yet somehow, their Spider-Verse movies always hit it outta the park. Those movies are arguably better than a lot of the MCU, before and after Endgame

 

[psylockolussus]

Sony Reportedly Done Making Spider-Man Universe Movies for Now After Kraven the Hunter - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Sony is reportedly done making movies set within its shared Spider-Man universe for the time being after Kraven the Hunter.

www.superherohype.com

We are going to take a break from these films, for 2025 at least! I hope Spider-Noir is good and not a SSU-like project on streaming.

 

[TheVileOne]

LMAO! I don't think I ever even got that back then! That's pretty good!

Yet somehow, their Spider-Verse movies always hit it outta the park. Those movies are arguably better than a lot of the MCU, before and after Endgame

The sun shines on a dog's rear once a day.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

LMAO! I don't think I ever even got that back then! That's pretty good!

Yet somehow, their Spider-Verse movies always hit it outta the park. Those movies are arguably better than a lot of the MCU, before and after Endgame

Lord and Miller are good directors/creatives.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The sun shines on a dog's rear once a day.

well there is that but as @AndrewGilkison said, it's because Lord & Miller specifically are the makers of those movies. I'd go as far as saying they're even a lot better than a lot of the MCU's output.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

RIP SUCC

 

[TheVileOne]

well there is that but as @AndrewGilkison said, it's because Lord & Miller specifically are the makers of those movies. I'd go as far as saying they're even a lot better than a lot of the MCU's output.

I'm not sure how. Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter were two of the worst movies of the year. The Marvels was a mess but was not this bad.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'm not sure how. Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter were two of the worst movies of the year. The Marvels was a mess but was not this bad.

my friend, I was talking about Lord & Miller's work. The Spider-Verse movies

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Lord And Miller are the creative forces on the Into The Spider-Verse animated movies and the upcoming Spider-Man Noir show. Nothing to do with Venom, Madam Webb or Kraven The Hunter movies or that now dead "universe".

 

[lenz]

It's moreso about the decision making from the top. It was a good move hiring Lord and Miller for the animated movies (different animal than live-action), but that's one decision against a greater number of poor decisions from the studio.

I think that's the framework.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think I will say it... history has proven that firing Lord and Miller from Solo and kicking them off the movie was one of the biggest mistakes Kathleen Kennedy made. Maybe their version would have been a disaster, but it would have been more impactful than the bland nothing burger we got instead.

 

[Venom 1988]

It's moreso about the decision making from the top. It was a good move hiring Lord and Miller for the animated movies (different animal than live-action), but that's one decision against a greater number of poor decisions from the studio.

I think that's the framework.

Sony Animation is a separate studio from Sony Pictures. Same with Sony Television, which has a pretty good track record as far as shows go. The people that work at Sony Animation and Television do not answer to the higher ups at Sony Pictures.

It's basically like how Marvel Studios and Marvel Television operated pre-2019.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sony Animation is a separate studio from Sony Pictures. Same with Sony Television, which has a pretty good track record as far as shows go. The people that work at Sony Animation and Television do not answer to the higher ups at Sony Pictures.

It's basically like how Marvel Studios and Marvel Television operated pre-2019.

it's not exactly separate, rather it's a subsidiary.

Sony Pictures Animation Inc. is an American animation studio owned by Sony Entertainment's Sony Pictures Entertainment through their Motion Picture Group division and founded on May 9, 2002.

Sony Pictures Animation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Venom 1988]

it's not exactly separate, rather it's a subsidiary.

Sony Pictures Animation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I understand they are different subsidiaries under Sony Entertainment but they are still very much different studios run by different people.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I understand they are different subsidiaries under Sony Entertainment but they are still very much different studios run by different people.

yeah, definitely. I'm sure Sony Animation gets to have their own creative freedom. I'm just saying that the studio is still owned by Sony Pictures.

 

[lenz]

Sony Animation is a separate studio from Sony Pictures. Same with Sony Television, which has a pretty good track record as far as shows go. The people that work at Sony Animation and Television do not answer to the higher ups at Sony Pictures.

It's basically like how Marvel Studios and Marvel Television operated pre-2019.

I understand they are different subsidiaries under Sony Entertainment but they are still very much different studios run by different people.

I was referring to Sony proper.

Also, Amy Pascal has been a key component in driving this license since she was the chair of Columbia back in 1999, whether it be live-action, joining the MCU, the spider-less verse, or animation.