Spectacular Spider-man Vs. Batman TAS

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Now, I can tell you that I enjoy SSm more than I ever enjoyed BTAS. Why? Well, BTAS had some GREAT episodes, but it also included at least 30% of the shows that just felt like work when you watched them. You know the ones....the werewolf episode, the "Penguin is reformed, oh wait, no he's not" episode, the Count Vertigo episode, the "Batman is blind" episode,etc.. I think the best episodes were the ones with the origin of Two-Face, the ones featuring Ra's Al Ghul, and the ones starring Joker and Harley.

"Birds of a Feather" was a great episode! BTW, Ra's al Ghul's episodes are really overrated.

My opinion is that there are more than enough fantastic B:TAS episodes to cancel out the bad ones and still propel it to the top of the list of the finest superhero cartoons. The truth is that The Spectacular Spiderman needs to get its 5 season wish before it can be compared to B:TAS.
 
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I know that. I still find the overall animation in BTAS to be superior to SSM.

Easily.

I don't. On it's best days, Spectacular Spider-Man blows Batman TAS's animation out of the water. Especially the episodes done by Hanho Heung Up. Plus, its staging puts Batman TAS (and majority of action cartoons) to shame.

And to the above post, how is Ra's Al Ghul overrated in your opinion.
 
My opinion is that there are more than enough fantastic B:TAS episodes to cancel out the bad ones and still propel it to the top of the list of the finest superhero cartoons. The truth is that The Spectacular Spiderman needs to get its 5 season wish before it can be compared to B:TAS.

Agreed :up:

I can count on one hand the amount of episodes that were bad in BTAS. 'I've got Batman in my Basement', 'Critters', 'Moon the Wolf', and possibly 'Girls nite out'.
 
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I can count on one hand the amount of episodes that were bad in BTAS. 'I've got Batman in my Basement', 'Critters', 'Moon the Wolf', and possibly 'Girls nite out'.


I have said what I gonna say here before but you compel me to say it again: How about The Underdwellers, The Forgotten, Prophecy of Doom , The Cat and the Claw: Part I& II (just a few stinkers in BTAS's first 20 episodes) and let's not forget that apart from a handful of absolutely great episodes("Over the Edge", "Legends of the Dark Knight"," Mad Love"), seasons I & II of the New Batman Adventures (1997-1999) were mediocre at best.
 
iI have said what I gonna say here before but you compel me to say it again: How about The Underdwellers, The Forgotten, Prophecy of Doom , The Cat and the Claw: Part I& II (just a few stinkers in BTAS's first 20 episodes) and let's not forget that apart from a handful of absolutely great episodes("Over the Edge", "Legends of the Dark Knight"," Mad Love"), seasons I & II of the New Batman Adventures (1997-1999) were mediocre at best.

That's your opinion. Which I'm not saying is right or wrong. But it is a minority opinion. If the general consensus shared that opinion, then the show wouldn't have been nearly as successful as it was.

And you wouldn't even be making this comparison thread, because the show wouldn't be held in as high esteem as it is :yay:

Funny how you dislike The Forgotten episode though. That's one of the fan favourites. Even IGN mentioned it when ranking the best animated shows: http://tv.ign.com/top-100-animated-tv-series/2.html

I also thoroughly enjoyed The Underdwellers and The Cat and the Claw, too.
 
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You see, I have always said in my previous posts that I love and respect BTAS so much. Actually I like batman so much and some time ago I used IGN’s article called the 25 greatest Batman Graphic Novels of all Time (or something like that) as a reference and found each and every one of them and thoroughly enjoyed them. True, spidey is my all time favorite character (both fiction and non-fiction) and I have good reasons for that but I am a comic book fan too and I grew up watching Batman and Superman cartoons in my country (Iran). Heck, I leaned English through reading comics.

I think now we should all stop our bickering and all get united to support SSM and help the ratings so that we get a third season. I just posted something in another thread expressing my disgust at Marvel's lack of promoting the show. Us the fanboys got to roll up our sleeves and do something!
 
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You see, I have always said in my previous posts that I love and respect BTAS so much. Actually I like batman so much and some time ago I used IGN’s article called the 25 greatest Batman Graphic Novels of all Time (or something like that) as a reference and found each and every one of them and thoroughly enjoyed them. True, spidey is my all time favorite character (both fiction and non-fiction) and I have good reasons for that but I am a comic book fan too and I grew up watching Batman and Superman cartoons in my country (Iran). Heck, I leaned English through reading comics.

I think now we should all stop our bickering and all get united to support SSM and help the ratings so that we get a third season. I just posted something in another thread expressing my disgust at Marvel's lack of promoting the show. Us the fanboys got to roll up our sleeves and do something!

Oh please don't think I was bickering with you. We've just been debating/discussing. I don't think we've said anything unpleasant to eachother. You've been very civil.

I love SSM cartoon with all my heart. Easily my favourite on screen adaption of Spider-Man. It stomps all over the Spidey movies, and the other Spidey cartoons. Spidey and Bats are my two favourite heros. My love is equal for them.

And nothing would please me more for the SSM cartoon to go on for a full five seasons like BTAS did. And scoop a couple of emmys, too.
 
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Yea i said it before my self spidey is my all time fav marvel/comic character and i have enjoyed the movies, past animated series to a degree. But so far in 26 episodes of SSM this series is the best overall adapted version of the character. As for BTAS its hard to judge ssm against btas/stas of the 90s they were some of the best animated shows of its time and very good takes on both of those characters. I do hope SSM does get the chance to last 5 seasons and possible get some dtv movies too like btas/stas have gotten.
 
Oh please don't think I was bickering with you. We've just been debating/discussing. I don't think we've said anything unpleasant to eachother. You've been very civil.

I love SSM cartoon with all my heart. Easily my favourite on screen adaption of Spider-Man. It stomps all over the Spidey movies, and the other Spidey cartoons. Spidey and Bats are my two favourite heros. My love is equal for them.

And nothing would please me more for the SSM cartoon to go on for a full five seasons like BTAS did. And scoop a couple of emmys, too.
I agree fully. SS does everything right that I found wrong with Raimi's movies. Now, granted, it can do certain things Raimi can't given the format it's in, but talking strictly in terms of characterization, and fundamental things like handling the supporting characters, it blows Raimi out of the water.

And all other Spidey toons. I love the 90's Spidey, heck, it's what made me a Spidey fan, but still, this show is great.

However, in terms of comparing, it really is hard. Spider-man and Batman are two different characters by nature, and so are their shows. Spider-man in general has always been a character that has been more strict in terms of continuity. When you think of your favorite Spider-man stories, in a lot of them, there are things going on in them (side plots, ect) that a casual fan won't understand unless he's been following the book.

When you think of most of the highest regarded Batman stories, many of them are stand alones. (The Man Who Laughs, Killing Joke, TLH, DV, DKR, ect).

Part of this is because many of the essential parts of the Batman mythos have been pounded into the general population's consiousness through pop culture. Joe citizen know about Alfred, Catwoman, the batmobile, ect. Joe citizen doesn't know who Gwen Stacy is, or Liz Allen (hopefully this show will change that.)

However, given this, it's no surprise that B:TAS was more episodic, while SS is more continuity based. Both styles suit the characters, but it also makes them hard to compare.

Based soley on animation, I think you have to give it to SS. It's newer technology, and the action and movement of the cartoon is better than any toon I've seen in a while. However, going purely off character designs, I've always been a fan when the designs stay closer to a traditional comic book look, so I'd actually prefer something like the X-men TAS or 90's Spider-man over both.

Still though, I agree with others in that I need to see this show over 4 to 5 seasons at least. But the kicker for me is going to be one thing

Movies

B:TAS has a big plus under it's belt in the movie area. Not only does it have quite a few good shows, it produced two great ones. Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.

Both of these shows rank in my top favorite comic films ever, and I feel they represented the mythos of Batman perfectly. Now, if SS does get to run five seasons, they will have a perfect opportunity to produce one of the best animated comic movies ever. I'm sure you all know what I'm getting at:

The Death of Gwen Stacy.

The build up they've had with Gwen so far has been beautiful, and if they do that for five seasons, it will set the stage perfectly to make The Death of Gwen Stacy one of the most powerful animated comic movies since MOTP. If they do get around to ever making that, that would be one of the big decision makers for me in weighing in on the "who's best".
 
Mask of the Phantasm.

Yup.

To add to that SpaceWay, MOTP is widely regarded as the best animated comic movie ever, and for many people it's in their list of top comic movies period. I think an Animated Death of Gwen Stacy would be the best shot SS would have at matching that level.
 
Return of The Joker is still one of the best animated movies, for me.
 
Return of The Joker is still one of the best animated movies, for me.

I agree. If you see above, I listed MOTP and ROTJ as two great animated movies. That movie still has two of my favorite Joker moments out of any representation of the Joker.

Going off that though, like I said, if SS gets five full seasons, a big judgment factor for me will be the animated movies they make (if they make any). They have an amazing chance at making a movie that could rival MOTP and ROTJ in The Death of Gwen Stacy, if they have the gonads to do it.
 
Well I guess I do prefer ROTJ to MOTP which is boring at times specially in the first 2 third of it running time!
 
I remember dreaming about a Spidey show like BTAS when I was a kid...And well TSS is it! I love it.
 
B:TAS has a big plus under it's belt in the movie area. Not only does it have quite a few good shows, it produced two great ones. Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker.

i'm not sure it's fair to give Return of the Joker to Bats TAS in this war, considering it's a batman beyond movie. Sure, it's a continuation of the dcau story. but it's kinda like making a spidey 2099 series 8 years after spectacular started, and basing spectacular movies on that.

I don't know.
Another point is if you're taking the good, you've gotta factor in the bad.

Sub Zero and Mystery of the Batwoman, to be exact.
 
Both are great, but BTAS has much better writing. But Spiderman's action is better. It dependson the mood I'm in. Am I in the mood to watch a great superhero cartoon with fantastic action, or a great superhero cartoon with film script quality? They both are amazing,but I'll go with BTAS for now. Let's wait and jude after Spectacular Spiderman has been around for awhile(if its around for awhile).
 
Somebody at another forum has done a helluva job comparing the two shows. I am just copy-pasting his comment (hope he doesn’t mind!):



I say TSSM, and it's not just because I'm biased towards Spider-Man.
To explain, I've copied this post I made on TV.com in response to an argument that BTAS is more mature, emotional, and dramatic.

Mature: Yeah, Batman is, because, well, it's Batman. However, one thing which I greatly respect about TSSM is how (as Weisman) it "works in different circles". Children will enjoy it for its excitement and humor. Older audiences will love it for its character development and intensive plots. Furthermore, there are some tidbits which are targeted for a specific without diminishing the other's experience - best example being Black Cat's innuendo.
Emotional: I'd say they're about the same, actually. The level of emotion, usually, is directly related to how well-developed and relatable the characters appear, so I'm gonna argue on that note since it's easier to understand. BTAS has a lot of characters following this criteria - Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Batman himself, etc. - and a bunch who don't - Clock King, Penguin, Croc, etc. - and a lot in-between - Catwoman, Harley, Bullock, etc. Mainly, BTAS' most emotional characters are based in tragedy and how it transformed them. TSSM, on the other hand, also has a lot of emotional characters - Spider-Man, Liz, Gwen, etc. - and a bunch who don't - Sally, Shocker, Betty, etc. - and a lot in-between - JJJ, Flash, Vulture, etc. However, though it does have it's share of tragedy with guys like Molten Man and Electro, TSSM focuses a lot more of its emotion on issues that people typically face in life, like balancing school with work with friends, and having money troubles, trying to get a girl, etc. So yeah, it's different types of emotion, but the two are definitely at around the same level.
Dramatic: Again, like with the emotional, drama isn't always tragedy. The end of Natural Selection, for example, wasn't tragic - it was uplifting, even - but it was still definitely dramatic. I'd say they're at the same pace here as well (considering that dramatic is almost the same thing as emotional ).
Plus, TSSM does have several things over BTAS!
Continuity: They're two very different shows. BTAS goes with an episode-by-episode format, however TSSM develops over time. It's a lot of preference, but I prefer the continuity because it allows you to watch characters like Electro and Liz evolve over time, so that we can see long-term reactions and effects. With BTAS, there were several cases, like with Mad Hatter and Two-Face (he never really returned until Second Chance as far as I'm concerned), where great development was lost due to this lack of continuity. Sometimes, it even contradicted itself - Joker has now lead two past lives, one as a gangster (Mask of the Phantasm), and one as a comedian (his final episode - I forget the name). TSSM, on the other hand, is usually quite consistent with its characters.
Relatability: Face it - you don't really know what if feels to run around at night wearing a cape and cowl and fighting criminals. TSSM incorporates Peter Parker leading a regular life alongside his Spider-Man one, and thus retrieves a far greater level of relatability. They're two completely different heroes - opposites, in fact - Bruce Wayne has truly become Batman, while Spider-Man still maintains his Peter Parker persona as the dominant one.
Humor: It's not that big a deal, but it's still true.
Action: Again, it means barely anything, but TSSM has had way better fight scenes than BTAS.
Animation: Okay, this really means next to nothing, but I still definitely prefer TSSM's great, fluid animation to BTAS' still great, but not as great animation.
Don't get me wrong - I love BTAS a lot and it's probably my second-favorite show now, but TSSM has a lot over it, and that's not just the bias talking.

Seriously though, here's my official (objective) stance on this debate:
It all comes down to preference.
Both shows are at the same level as writing. Remember, writing is extremely subjective, and the only way to truly judge it is by well the show or movie or book or whatever accomplishes it's goal. You can't favor one format over another writing-wise because the first rule of writing is that there are no rules! As someone previously mentioned, Spider-Man just works better as a continuous series, and Batman may work better as an episodic one.
In the end, here's what it comes down to:
BTAS has a dark tone, tragedy, and an episodic format.
TSSM has a light tone, relatablity, and a continuous format.
Take your pick.
Personally, I prefer relatability and a continuous format (though I have no preference over dark/light tones), so I'm going for TSSM.
That's all there is to it.


'Nuff Said!
 
And to the above post, how is Ra's Al Ghul overrated in your opinion.

Well, I don't think he really fits in with B:TAS's take on Batman, which does its best to be grim, gritty and realistic. Ra's brings in a whole new dynamic that is more suited to JL(U) than B:TAS. Seeing Batman take on Ra's all on his own in a setting like the desert doesn't quite fit the tone of the series. He's unlike any of Batman's other rogues in a way that's almost uncomfortable in B:TAS. I hope you see what I'm getting at. The Indiana Jones escapades in "The Demon's Quest" take a little bit of getting used to... Not that I hate Ra's, but I've never loved him like other fans do.

BTW, I think "Return of the Joker" is not only better than "Mask of the Phantasm", but a true highlight of the DCAU and an amazing animated movie.
 
so far Spectacular Spider-man has not had a bad episode; heck, it hasnt even had an average episode! Batman TAS (which I like tremendosuely and have a great respect for) however, had a few stinkers in its first 20 episodes: The Underdwellers, The Forgotten, Prophecy of Doom and, to some extent, The Cat and the Claw: Part I& II
Really? I kinda thought that Kraven episode (2nd episode of the 2nd season) was a bit mediocre... However, you're right about all of the other episodes being far superior.

As for the question this thread asks, I'm going to have to go with 'The Spectacular Spider-Man'. Mainly because it's just such a huge inspiration, to me. I love the characters. I love the smooth-flowing storylines. I love the voice-acting. I love the action sequences. I love the animation. Everything about the show is just... so satisfying. And, I swear to God, if the demographic-sucking ---holes over at... wherever decide to cancel this great show. I hope they all burn in hell.
 
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