The Dark Knight Rises Speculative article about 2Face's Fate

[Gianakin_]

The part about Emma Thomas and the script has been posted before, but there's a part about the novelization that's new to me. Due to the lack of news about BB3, I thought I'd post it. It's purely speculative, but still, it's something.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=9772&count=0

Here's the article itself:

While many people went to see "The Dark Knight," only a few know exactly what happened at the end of the movie. If you have not seen "Knight" yet, do not keep reading.

SPOILERS AHEAD:

At the end of the film, Harvey Dent/Two-Face apparently fell to his death during a standoff with Batman and Jim Gordon in a warehouse. Some have suggested that Dent is not dead due to rumors that he will appear in the third Batman movie and the fact that there was no blood. Also, no coffin was seen at the Dent memorial. So could Two-Face be locked away in a hospital or a mental institution?

"The Dark Knight" producer Emma Thomas touched on the topic when IGN brought it up. Unfortunately, her reply was not very helpful, stating that fans could interpret it either way they'd like.

But what were the filmmaker going for? In the movie novelization, author Dennis O'Neil wrote, "Dent was sprawled, neck twisted, the mutilated side of his face exposed, his left eye open and staring sightlessly. He was obviously dead."

And the script by Jonathan and Christopher Nolan -- included in "The Dark Knight: Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script" -- states, "Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD."

So there is your answer. Two-Face will not be returning for part 3.

 

[HereToComment27]

I read that pre-script. It also said that the Joker died (if I am thinking of the correct book) Two-Face could be dead or alive. It could go either way. Personally, I believ that he is alive (well, thats what I hope) because he was WAY under used in TDK. And there was no solid proof that he was dead. Then again, there was no solid proof that he was still alive. All we can do is discuss, argue, pray, and wait to decided if Two-Face is truly dead.

 

[Two-Face]

As Two-Face says "You think I want to escape from THIS" that kinda was the key cos he was gonna die either way if Batman didn't push.


But I want a Two-Face return in the third movie.

 

[HereToComment27]

Like I said, it could go either way. There were many things in the film that suggested he lived/died. But we will have to wait until it is confirmed that he did not die.

 

[Symbiotic]

I read that pre-script. It also said that the Joker died (if I am thinking of the correct book) Two-Face could be dead or alive. It could go either way. Personally, I believ that he is alive (well, thats what I hope) because he was WAY under used in TDK. And there was no solid proof that he was dead. Then again, there was no solid proof that he was still alive. All we can do is discuss, argue, pray, and wait to decided if Two-Face is truly dead.

Wait. What is this now?

 

[HereToComment27]

The pre-script originally had the Joker dying. But that never occured in the movie, so maybe Two-Face is stiall alive. And its obvious that he did not break his neck.

 

[nickyg641]

The pre-script originally had the Joker dying. But that never occured in the movie, so maybe Two-Face is stiall alive. And its obvious that he did not break his neck.

What "pre-script"?

We're talking about the actual movie script. As in the one they used while shooting the movie. And, according to that, Dent is dead, with a broken neck.

 

[HereToComment27]

One, it is obvious that Two-Face does not have a broken neck.
Two, the pre-script, also known as a draft, was the one that stated that Two-Face/Harvey had broken his neck. Not the official one. It is obvious that they changed things, so Harvey Dent might be dead, but Two-Face might not be. It could work both ways.

 

[Katsuro]

One, it is obvious that Two-Face does not have a broken neck.
Two, the pre-script, also known as a draft, was the one that stated that Two-Face/Harvey had broken his neck. Not the official one. It is obvious that they changed things, so Harvey Dent might be dead, but Two-Face might not be. It could work both ways.

The article cites the FULL SHOOTING SCRIPT, not the "pre-script", as the one confirming Dent's death.

 

[HereToComment27]

If you look at it, there are things that were changed. It is not the official script. In the movie, it was obvious that Two-Face's neck was NOT broken.

 

[nickyg641]

One, it is obvious that Two-Face does not have a broken neck.
Two, the pre-script, also known as a draft, was the one that stated that Two-Face/Harvey had broken his neck. Not the official one. It is obvious that they changed things, so Harvey Dent might be dead, but Two-Face might not be. It could work both ways.

To my knowledge, only one version of the script has been released, the shooting script. In the book "The Dark Knight: Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script", in which it states that Harvey Den's neck is broken, and that he is, indeed, dead. Would you like me to take a picture of the page for you?

 

[HereToComment27]

No, I know what you are talking about. And just because the script says so, doesn't mean that it is so. Many times there are last minute changes to comply with shooting or new ideas. And this is one of them. Personally, I don't think Two-Face is dead, but we will just have to wait and see.

 

[Katsuro]

If you look at it, there are things that were changed. It is not the official script. In the movie, it was obvious that Two-Face's neck was NOT broken.

You're right. The book they published, clearly title "FULL SHOOTING SCRIPT", somehow isn't the official script. Seriously?

There may be some differences, sure, but they're all changes that were made on set. Actors sometimes ad-lib, change things around, and whatnot. Changes are made in editing too. But when they filmed that last scene of the movie, the script they were using clearly said that Harvey Dent died.

And he should be dead. It would completely destroy the end of TDK to have Harvey live. Besides, what would Two-Face even do in a sequel? His whole plot was wrapped up quite nicely in TDK, what could he do in the next movie that would be new or original?

 

[HereToComment27]

Just because it says "Full Shooting Script" does not mean it was the official one. It does not say "Official Shooting Script" now does it? No.

Also, the third movie could be about redemption and Harvey/Two-Face would fit well into it. Like I said and will say again, we will just have to wait and see if he is truly dead.

 

[Katsuro]

Just because it says "Full Shooting Script" does not mean it was the official one. It does not say "Official Shooting Script" now does it? No.

Also, the third movie could be about redemption and Harvey/Two-Face would fit well into it. Like I said and will say again, we will just have to wait and see if he is truly dead.

No, but it was "officially" published. The fact that it wasn't found floating around on the internet, but rather in a book published by the people responsible for the movie makes it official.

Might as well say TDK wasn't an official Batman movie cuz it wasn't called "The Official Dark Knight". It doen'st have to have the word official in it to be official.

 

[HereToComment27]

No it does not, but many things were changed from the script into the movie. I remember reading the script. Some things were changed. And Harvey having a broken neck was one of them.

 

[Katsuro]

No it does not, but many things were changed from the script into the movie. I remember reading the script. Some things were changed. And Harvey having a broken neck was one of them.

Like I said, minor changes are made on set here and there, but a big plot point like the death of a major character is certainly not one of those things. If Jonah and Chris put in the script that Harvey dies, and kept it that way through each draft, all the way up to the shooting script, then you can bet that's what they meant to happen.

And I know Nolan likes to say he hasn't thought about the third, but I honestly just dont believe him. I think he thought about the third movie before he even started on the second, and I think if he had some kind of plan for the third movie that involved Harvey being dead, then changing it last minute and having Harvey live would throw quite a wrench into his plans.

 

[nickyg641]

No it does not, but many things were changed from the script into the movie. I remember reading the script. Some things were changed. And Harvey having a broken neck was one of them.

How can you know? Given the fact that we barely saw Dent's body, it seems like it would be pretty hard to tell whether or not his neck was broke.

 

[HereToComment27]

I know that Nolan has thought about the third one, even though (like you said) he does not want to admit it. He was going to originally have Two-Face in the third one, from what I had heard. And it is possible for such a major plot event, including the death of a major character, to change. For example; In Spider-Man 3, the Sandman was originally suppose to die, yet at the last minute, they kept him alive.

This could be one of those instances. Even though the draft says that he is dead (because of a reason that is obviously not the reason) Nolan could have changed it at the last moment to give spectators the look that Dent was dead, although keeping the possibility alive that Two-Face might not be dead. Aaron Eckhart signed on for two movies. So, I am almost convinced that he is not dead, no matter what the "Full Shooting Script" or even the "Official Script" says. It's Nolan's film, he can do whatever he wants to with it.

 

[HereToComment27]

Yes, but his neck was shown.

 

[nickyg641]

I know that Nolan has thought about the third one, even though (like you said) he does not want to admit it. He was going to originally have Two-Face in the third one, from what I had heard. And it is possible for such a major plot event, including the death of a major character, to change. For example; In Spider-Man 3, the Sandman was originally suppose to die, yet at the last minute, they kept him alive.

This could be one of those instances. Even though the draft says that he is dead (because of a reason that is obviously not the reason) Nolan could have changed it at the last moment to give spectators the look that Dent was dead, although keeping the possibility alive that Two-Face might not be dead. Aaron Eckhart signed on for two movies. So, I am almost convinced that he is not dead, no matter what the "Full Shooting Script" or even the "Official Script" says. It's Nolan's film, he can do whatever he wants to with it.

This info comes from...where?

 

[HereToComment27]

http://http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/eckhart%20agrees%20to%20third%20batman%20film_1075154

He states he would love to return for a third Batman because of Christian Bale. And who else would he return as? Two-Face. So, I don't think that he is dead.

 

[nickyg641]

http://http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/eckhart agrees to third batman film_1075154

He states he would love to return for a third Batman because of Christian Bale. And who else would he return as? Two-Face. So, I don't think that he is dead.

He'd love to return, but that doesn't mean he will. I believe I read Maggie also said that she would have returned if asked.

 

[HereToComment27]

But she was never asked. Eckhart was SIGNED ON for two movies. I'm almost positive that he will return.

Its almost as if you don't like Two-Face. No matter what proof or point I discuss with you, you always seem to throw it down in some unusually way. I'm giving you proof and speculation that he might not be dead and that you never known until the next film, but no matter what, its as if you don't want him to return. Do you not like Two-Face?

 

[Venom 1988]

But she was never asked. Eckhart was SIGNED ON for two movies. I'm almost positive that he will return.

I like how people always brings this up like its proof. It doesn't mean jack

All it means is that Eckhart is obligated to appear in another movie if they want to use him.

Just like Alfred Molina was signed on for two Spidey movies, Tyler Mane and Ray Park for X-men sequels, etc...