Spider-Man 4 General News and Discussion Thread

The argument the higher ups at Disney wanted the multiverse for Spider-Man 4 is a whole different argument than I've been getting so far, and it is more believable than just assuming that Marvel for no reason changed their minds when there's no evidence they did.
not really. I can partially agree with you that Sony's alleged demand for another high stakes Spider-Man movie isn't offensive to Marvel Studios that they would want to break the contract (I don't think they could even if they wanted to because whatever was signed in 2019 is likely a several picture deal), but from what I gathered from conversing with @Frodo before is that Marvel & Sony were arguing about which direction to take SM4 and now that that so much has changed both in personal life drama and critical/commercial reception of Multiverse Saga MCU films, that the suspicion that I've been convinced by @Frodo is that Marvel Studios eventually just decided to roll with the high stakes Spider-Man movie that Sony wanted.

AND the higher-ups at Disney maybe weren't getting involved especially before the real world personal life drama, but coupling that with the common perception that the MCU is currently in a flop phase, may have made the higher-ups begin siding with Sony about another high stakes Spider-Man movie. and Marvel Studios caved too. now look, maybe the higher-ups got involved, maybe they didn't. but either way, Marvel Studios caved and decided to go Sony's way too.

and the reasons being that 1 as I said, Sony's demand isn't offensive enough but 2 on top of that, the main reason is because these are all businesses at the end of the day their top priority (above telling a good story) is always going to be what's going to yield the highest potential of full bags of money making profit.

back in 2021, we also heard rumors that Sony & Disney (or maybe just Marvel Studios, I think I should start making the distinction) were also disagreeing about whether to reveal the legacy Spider-Men in the trailers of NwH. Sony wanted it, but Marvel/Disney didn't. Sony listened, and it paid off big time. NwH broke so many records...highest grossing film of 2021, highest grossing film during the pandemic, sixth highest grossing film of all time, and highest grossing Spider-Man film of all time.

so Sony and Marvel/Disney are disagreeing again. yes, Sony gets final creative control but I think it is safe to say they have allowed Marvel to have the vision for these MCU Marvel movies because they trust it's going to be fruitful for them, which it has been. and we've heard these rumors of them disagreeing again now about a low key SM4 or a high stakes SM4, and this time Sony won. if Marvel Studios felt strongly enough about it then maybe they could have kept on pushing back, but decided (because they're thinking about the best chance at the most profit) to go with the high stakes movie again.

maybe Disney got involved, maybe they didn't. it doesn't really matter either way because like I said, they are ALL big business whose #1 goal is $$$. telling a good, cohesive, compelling story (which we would have gotten if they went with Spider-Man + Daredevil vs. Kingpin + Scorpion 😭) is second to that. Always.
 
You've been presented several arguments. So at this point, you can believe whatever you want to believe and that's up to you.
I really haven't been, I've been presented assumptions but no actual arguments.
 
I really haven't been, I've been presented assumptions but no actual arguments.
Just because an argument includes assumptions doesn't mean it isn't an argument.

I get that I am a very wordy poster, but I gave you an elaborate explanation of what @Frodo has been trying to tell you.
 
You know what? Make the damn movie about the multiverse again. But also announce a deal for Tom Holland to appear in Born Again S2. Release it in 2026 with a shorter amount of episodes right before SM4. We get the street level story + the multiverse story and the show works as publicity for the movie as well.

Yeah, I know...but dreaming is free :plead:
 
You know what? Make the damn movie about the multiverse again. But also announce a deal for Tom Holland to appear in Born Again S2. Release it in 2026 with a shorter amount of episodes right before SM4. We get the street level story + the multiverse story and the show works as publicity for the movie as well.

Yeah, I know...but dreaming is free :plead:
Or Marvel Studios could have made a Daredevil movie for starters, and include Spider-Man in it.
 
My hope is that we eventually get back to a smaller scale, isolated adventure with Peter truly being the Neighborhood hero, facing off against things that challenge him on every level,
which don't involve Universe Altering events.

Yeah, it's cool that Spiderman can now interact with all these other heroes , but that stuff is just icing on the cake for me.

What always appealed to me ,as a Spiderman fan, were the challenges he didn't just face with characters like Ock, Green Goblin, etc.
but his basic day to day challenges in his academic, professional, and personal life.

That's where the Raimi and Webb films excelled imo, and in alot of ways, they benefited from not being bound by a larger universe of other heroes,
overarching storylines , interconnect crossover films etc.

NWH is one of my favorite Spiderman films ever, but I don't want that, or something along those lines, to be the next film .

I do think / hope , we'll eventually, meaning after the next several years, get back to a friendly neighborhood Spiderman , live action film.

I just don't know if Holland will still be in the role by that point , or whether it will even be Peter Parker Spiderman ,by that point.

I don't have a crystal ball , and I don't know where Disney and Sony's heads are gonna be at in 2028 or 2029.
 


If this is true, it looks like we will be getting a LOT more Spider-Man in the MCU moving forward.
 
The fact that no one else is even reporting this makes me press X to doubt.
 
I tend to buy the report of more Spiderman, though whether or not that means Tom Holland will be Spiderman for several years to come, remains to be seen to me at least.

So, I'll wait for an official announcement as far as Holland's deal goes , and how many appearances beyond Avengers : Doomsday, Spiderman 4, and Avengers : Secret Wars he's willing to act in.
 
I don't care much about a street level Spider-Man 4 film. But Scorpion would have been exciting to see, especially over Knull. Scorpion is way over due for a proper appearance.

For me I'm much more excited with Tom Hardy and Tom Holland sharing the screen in a film that Kevin Feige is producing. I hope it works because their chemistry may be fantastic.
 
Well at this point, Tom Hardy is the definitive Venom in movies. I don't see them replacing someone who headlined 3 Venom movies in a span of 6 years, especially with the Multiverse happening now.
 
So these rumors on the street tweet here showing me that for the new male lead foil, they're bringing in Paul, the most recent but worse Spider-Man character created by Zeb Wells. Okay, send dough to me for doubt.
 
Urgh pls dont merge this with these awful Venom movies.
 
The title sounds lame if that's really what Sony and Marvel are considering.

My guess is that it'll still have home in the title .
 

Because of this, right?

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I think we will get more clarity on what the heck is going on after Venom 3 comes out. so we can get to the bottom of the scene with the bartender.

I was just talking to my wife about this last night, about how Chiwetel Ejiofor is in it but not as Mordo and how the drop of the symbiote might be retconned into being Eddie's own universe and not the MCU universe.

part of me hopes that it actually is Mordo in disguise but I already know how unlikely that is. but honestly, Sony ain't the only ones guilty of this. not anymore. not now that they actually put Chris Evans as the Torch in Deadpool 3.
 

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