Spider-Man: Brand New Day General News and Discussion Thread

[Spider-Fan]

The Mayday Parker thing isn't a bad idea if its a multiverse movie. But I am hoping it isn't a massive multiverse event, though I am sure it will be

 

[Sawyer]

This absolute terror they have of going smaller and more intimate after No Way Home is dumb, but I kinda get it. NWH put more asses in the seats than anyone was expecting.

 

[donuts]

This absolute terror they have of going smaller and more intimate after No Way Home is dumb, but I kinda get it. NWH put more asses in the seats than anyone was expecting.

Yet the set up was so perfect from the NWH ending to set a new tone and style for Spider-Man.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I think Destin left to his own devices could make a good movie but he's got Disney, Marvel producers, Sony producers, and probably also the Russos (and their writers) on Avengers setting the direction. It's kind of horrible (not money wise but creative-wise) timing to be launching a Spider-Man movie but they took too long after No Way Home to get their ass in gear, strike or no strike.

 

[Frodo]

I think Destin left to his own devices could make a good movie but he's got Disney, Marvel producers, Sony producers, and probably also the Russos (and their writers) on Avengers setting the direction. It's kind of horrible (not money wise but creative-wise) timing to be launching a Spider-Man movie but they took too long after No Way Home to get their ass in gear, strike or no strike.

This.

In a ideal scenario, we would have had a " street level" Spiderman 4 in 2023 or 2024 at the latest .

Then , by the next Avengers film , we would already have seen Peter's new friends, and new reality, before the next crossover film.

Now, when we first see the character again , he's gonna have to share screen time with a several other characters including Downey Doom.

So , we're going to have to wait until his own film , for the story to truly focus on him, as the central figure.

I know Spiderman / Peter Parker , is supposed to play an important role in the next Avengers film , but his screen time is still going to be limited in the context of Downey Doom, other variants,
current heroes, multiverse shenanigans, etc.

At the end of the day, when we see Spiderman again, it's gonna be in an Avengers film , not a solo film.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

This.

In a ideal scenario, we would have had a " street level" Spiderman 4 in 2023 or 2024 at the latest .

Then , by the next Avengers film , we would already have seen Peter's new friends, and new reality, before the next crossover film.

Now, when we first see the character again , he's gonna have to share screen time with a several other characters including Downey Doom.

So , we're going to have to wait until his own film , for the story to truly focus on him, as the central figure.

I know Spiderman / Peter Parker , is supposed to play an important role in the next Avengers film , but his screen time is still going to be limited in the context of Downey Doom, other variants,
current heroes, multiverse shenanigans, etc.

At the end of the day, when we see Spiderman again, it's gonna be in an Avengers film , not a solo film.

And Tom Holland is gonna be filming as a 29 year old playing an 18 year old which was easier to do 5 years ago. They’re really lucky he looks younger than his age but it’s at the limit now. And what about Spider-Man 5 or Spider-Man 6 - those gonna take 9 years between them and Holland at age 38 for the last one like 4.5 years for Spider-Man 4? They gotta get their **** together.

And where is Spider-verse 3? All these stupid Spider-Man-less Spider-Man movies are on the back burner hopefully, Sony prioritized that junk way too much.

December 2021:

Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal Discuss Their Future ‘Spider-Man’ Plans: ‘We Want to Top Ourselves in Quality and Emotion’

In a new interview, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' producer Amy Pascal discuss their partnership.

variety.com

“Amy and I and Disney and Sony are talking about — yes, we’re actively beginning to develop where the story heads next, which I only say outright because I don’t want fans to go through any separation trauma like what happened after ‘Far From Home’ [the second film in Marvel’s ‘Spider-Man’ trilogy]. That will not be occurring this time,” Feige added, referring to the 2019 financing dispute between Disney and Sony that called the possibility of “No Way Home” into question.

Pascal emphasized that her producing strategy is about more than celebrity cameos, so she isn’t concerned about outdoing “No Way Home’s” roster of guests when it comes to planning for potential “Spider-Man” sequels.

“You can’t think about topping yourself in terms of spectacle. Otherwise movies just get larger and larger for no reason, and it’s not a good result,” she said. “But we do want to always try and top ourselves in terms of quality and emotion. Kevin and I never want to lose sight of one thing: Peter Parker. That he’s a normal kid. That he is orphaned over and over again. That he’s a teenager, so everything in his life is at a heightened pitch and everything matters more than anything. That he’s fueled by goodness and guilt. That he’s striving for a greater cause, and he’s vilified by the press.”

 

[Venom 1988]

And Tom Holland is gonna be filming as a 29 year old playing an 18 year old which was easier to do 5 years ago. They’re really lucky he looks younger than his age but it’s at the limit now.

Eh not really. NWH took place in 2024 and the MCU is currently in 2027. So for better or worse, Peter is gonna be aging. Now is there still gonna be a gap between Holland's age and Peter's age? Of course but it's not gonna be as bad as you may think.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The Mayday Parker theory about Sink sounds more and more believable.

 

[DyeLorean]

Tom Holland's age (or any other Spider-Men, honestly) is the very least of my worries when it comes to the Spider-Man movies right now.

 

[Frodo]

Holland's still young , but he has lost a bit of his kid like looks , at to me looks very much like a guy in his Mid to late 20s.

I could still by him as a college or grad student , but he definitely fits the bill of a Spider-Man, as opposed to the Spider-Kid, he was in the first several MCU appearances.

 

[donuts]

I mean, I don't think that's a problem.

I would like this movie to be something of a "catching up with Peter after a couple of years."

With him having a different status quo, and also being a more mature person and superhero.

 

[Frodo]

I don't see it as a problem either.

I want us to see a Spiderman in his prime ,whose grown up a bit, and is standing on his own two feet.

I would have preferred we got a smaller scale non multiverse Spiderman 4 which explored his new reality, before the next Avengers film,
but, that wasn't in the cards due to a few circumstances.

If anything, I would kinda preferred they had just skipped the college stuff , and get into a young adult, employed Peter's, new challenges.

But this is the MCU timeline so , that wasn't gonna happen anyway.

 

[Adrian Chase]

In the first MCU trilogy, with the exception of a few moments in Homecoming, what I missed was always the urban dimension, the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man rather than multiverses, space and aliens.
In Raimi's masterpiece trilogy, one of the things I always appreciated most was the perception of the city and its inhabitants as a real character in its own right on the scene, protagonists as much as Peter, May and the others.

The ending of NWH had made me hope for a return to that dimension, but the rumors seem to be conflicting at the moment between those who claim that we will have a more urban and intimate film with Kingpin as the villain and Daredevil as a sidekick and those who claim we will go in a multiversal direction again. I hope they opt for the first.

I hope this scene won't be a one-timer, but something more...

 

[Frodo]

In the first MCU trilogy, with the exception of a few moments in Homecoming, what I missed was always the urban dimension, the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man rather than multiverses, space and aliens.
In Raimi's masterpiece trilogy, one of the things I always appreciated most was the perception of the city and its inhabitants as a real character in its own right on the scene, protagonists as much as Peter, May and the others.
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The ending of NWH had made me hope for a return to that dimension, but the rumors seem to be conflicting at the moment between those who claim that we will have a more urban and intimate film with Kingpin as the villain and Daredevil as a sidekick and those who claim we will go in a multiversal direction again. I hope they opt for the first.
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I hope this scene won't be a one-timer, but something more...

I remember , my audience applauding this shot back when I saw it opening weekend in 2004.

The first film came out several months after 9/11 , so showing the solidarity of New Yorkers in helping Spiderman , was a positive thing.
That ending shot was also a great touch .

 

[Sawyer]

Honestly, they can do as they like story-wise (well… within reason, anyway), but they better not lay a goddamn finger on that Romita suit from the end of NWH.

We deserve at least a full movie with that suit.

 

[DyeLorean]

Honestly, they can do as they like story-wise (well… within reason, anyway), but they better not lay a goddamn finger on that Romita suit from the end of NWH.

We deserve at least a full movie with that suit.

Sadly they are incapable of sticking to a single design for an entire film. He will have it for the first half and then the Black suit or whatever.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Sneider said on the Hot Mic that he heard from sources that Sink is playing Mary Jane Watson. Take it with some salt.

Thought Zendaya was supposed to be MJ, so not sure I buy this.

Sneider is also a guy who (at least back when he was working for Collider) hated Superhero movies and got tired of talking about the genre whenever he was on Collider Movie Talk and preferred more artsy movies.

If his opinion hasn't changed, then I wouldn't take him seriously on this rumor.

 

[donuts]

To be fair, I can't blame him.
It does have to suck to when you work for a movie news website , and it's gradually reduced to just one area.
I'm a huge movie AND comic book fan, and I couldn't imagine watching or dealing with just superhero movies or nerd related stuff.

 

[TheVileOne]

Holland's still young , but he has lost a bit of his kid like looks , at to me looks very much like a guy in his Mid to late 20s.

I could still by him as a college or grad student , but he definitely fits the bill of a Spider-Man, as opposed to the Spider-Kid, he was in the first several MCU appearances.


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He is in his late 20s, lol.

 

[Frodo]

He is in his late 20s, lol.

Yeah, he's in his late 20s , and what's so funny ?

My whole text was about the age he looks now in comparison to the way he looked when he started,
That's why I said he looks like his in his mid or late 20s.

He's in his late 20s, and he looks it, so, we're in agreement.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

October 2024 interview:

Tom Holland Loves the Latest Draft of Spider-Man 4 but Explains the Struggle to Make It

The Marvel Studios star spoke at length about the great responsibility of making a sequel to Spider-Man: No Way Home.

gizmodo.com

“I think the biggest thing that I’m challenged facing right now, which is without a shadow of a doubt the most first-world problem that anyone has ever experienced, is the power of choice and it comes down to Spider-Man,” Holland said. “When I signed my contract for [the first] Spider-Man, I signed a six-picture deal. I was 18 years old. I was more excited than I’d ever been about anything ever, and for the last 10 years I have been at the beck and call of Marvel and Sony and proudly so. It’s been the best experience of my life.”

“I’m now at a juncture where I can say ‘No,’ and now that I’ve been afforded that power I am struggling to figure out what is the right thing to do. It’s meant I’ve had to put my foot down in certain instances, which I haven’t been allowed to do in the past, and I think the learning curve that I’m on right now is dealing with that new sense of power—making sure that I don’t abuse it, but [also] making sure that I do the best thing for me rather than for the studio. And really the best thing for the character. I don’t want to make another movie for the sake of making it.”

What has Holland put his foot down on, we wonder?

He continued.

“[The studio wants me to make another Spider-Man] and I want to make another one. I want to make many more but I want to do it for the right reasons,” he said. “I am navigating and figuring out what having that kind of power means and that responsibility. And I’m figuring it out and I’m speaking to people and asking questions … I’ve been speaking to [Robert] Downey a lot, especially about him making his return which is super exciting. That was a tough secret to sit on because I have a reputation for ruining things and I strategically have done no press.”

Of course Holland knew Downey was coming back as Doctor Doom, and of course he knew he might blow the secret.

He went on.

“I’m by no means complaining. It’s a wonderful place to be but it is something that keeps me up at night and I’m constantly thinking,” Holland said. “‘Is this the right thing to do? Am I gonna do justice to the character? Am I gonna do justice to the fans?’ I definitely don’t want to just make a movie for the sake of it because that’s not what Spider-Man represents… It’s going really well though.”

“I feel like I owe it to [the fans] to give and deliver the best version of what the next chapter for Spider-Man looks like,” he said. “And I think that’s really important and I think the creative integrity for something like that is really important. And the studio is on board and supportive and really collaborative, and I’ve been so blown away by how welcoming they’ve been into that creative room, but we’re working now with the pedal to the metal. We’re trying to get it going as soon as possible. Things are looking great but there’s still a lot of moving pieces that need to come together for us to hit the ground running.”

“I’m not really sure about how much I can talk about in terms of ‘What are some of the challenges we face creatively and logistically?'” he said. “Obviously one of the things to bear in mind with Marvel is that your film is a small cog in a large machine and that machine has got to keep running and you need to make sure that you can fit into that timeline at the right time to benefit the bigger picture… That’s one of the challenges we’re facing, and the time in which we need to get that done is a tall order, but definitely achievable with the fantastic people we have working on it now.”

“But my biggest thing is the creative,” Holland continued. “We have a creative and a pitch and a draft which is excellent. It needs work but the writers are doing a great job and I read it three weeks ago and it really lit a fire in me. Zendaya and I sat down and read it together and we at times were like bouncing around the living room. Like this is a real movie worthy of the fans’ respect, but there [are] a few things we need to figure out before we can get that really going. But it’s exciting and I’m really, really excited about it.”

But, to dissect those last thoughts a bit, Holland’s comments do seem to point to the long-running rumor of conflict over the scope of the film. His talking about fitting it into the MCU does, potentially, make it seem like that question of street-level story or multiverse mega movie is one that has been an issue. But apparently a choice has been made, and hopefully we’ll get concrete news soon.

Just bringing up this interview again in light of everything that’s happened since - which isn’t much. And why the timing isn’t the best for SM4 outside of box office.

Armed with "a bunch of notes and ideas," Holland had already sat in on a series of Spider-Man development meetings when the strike was called. "It was myself, Amy, (Marvel Studios president] Kevin Feige, [executive producer] Rachel [O'Connor], sometimes other executives from Marvel will sit in, he says. "It's a collaborative process. The first few meetings were about, "Why would we do this again? And I think we found the reason why. I'm really, really happy with where were at in terms of the creative.

"But I'm also a little apprehensive about it," he adds. "There's a bit of a stigma about the fourth one in all franchises. I feel like we hit a home run with our first franchise and theres a part of me that wants to walk away with my head held high and pass the baton to the next lucky kid that gets to bring this character to life."

With No Way Home, Holland’s contract expired he said.

Tom Holland on his darkest role yet, and why No Way Home could be his last Spider-Man film

Whether as Marvel’s Spider-Man or heroin addict Cherry in his game-changing new role with the Russo brothers, Britain’s most valuable ‘Hollywood asset’ has been on one high or another since the age of 19. Now, as the business of moviemaking rewrites the rules of topline renown, we ask the face...

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

Any renegotiation clauses [for your new contract after No Way Home]?

[Tom Holland:] “We’d need to keep the same core team. The director, Jon Watts, is as much Spider-Man as I am. Zendaya, Jacob [Batalon].”

Watts moved on to Fantastic Four and then left that project in 2022 and didn’t return for SM4.

 

[BobJM]

Sadly they are incapable of sticking to a single design for an entire film. He will have it for the first half and then the Black suit or whatever.

Makes sense we may get the symbiote suit with this being a multiverse movie. I just hope that doesn’t mean Tom Hardy’s Venom

 

[Adrian Chase]

Makes sense we may get the symbiote suit with this being a multiverse movie.

 

[BobJM]

 

[Mysteryman]

The Mayday Parker theory about Sink sounds more and more believable.

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