No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Schlosser85]

Are they really even combined world threatening villains?

Do they have to be?

If the other Avengers didn't react to Tony's mansion getting blown up by gunships in Iron Man 3, or Nick Fury being "assassinated" in Winter Soldier, or England getting invaded by Dark Elves in The Dark World, I don't think they automatically need to react to the Sinister Six.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'm itching to see the new suit.

 

[Green Goblin]

Do we know we're getting one?

 

[GuestStar2004]

They need to sell new toys. so whether its a new suit or not, it certainly will be altered abit.

But then if there are more Spider-men involved maybe they won't bother giving him a new suit. you already got plenty of toys right there.

 

[Airwings]

Are they really even combined world threatening villains?

Them working together, launching a well-planned, well-structured attack that take people with surprise.... they could possibly take over Manhattan and hold it for some hours.

And none of the Avengers will care because..... it's Spider-Man's fight.
When he's outmatched and all other heroes refuse to aid him, he desperatelly search the multiverse for help.

 

[Jordacar]

It’s a small window, but this period when the Avengers are scattered might be a good time to find Spidey standing alone against an Avengers-level threat. And seeing him win the day would go a long way towards rehabilitating his image after FFH's post-credits stinger.

 

[Schlosser85]

Tom’s latest Instagram story

 

[Toomes' Phone]

Jamie Foxx posted an Instagram story. It looked like it might have been inside a studio and he said "it's starting". Can't be sure if it means he's in Atlanta tho.

 

[Airwings]

It’s a small window, but this period when the Avengers are scattered might be a good time to find Spidey standing alone against an Avengers-level threat.

Good that someone else acknowledge how devastating Sinister Six would be if they're unleashed in MCUverse

And seeing him win the day would go a long way towards rehabilitating his image after FFH's post-credits stinger

To be fair, he won't do it all by himself. There are atleast two other Spider-Men helping out.

 

[Green Goblin]

Does anyone think that the MCU deal might not get renewed after his next Marvel team-up appearance?

I think there's a decent chance if Disney asks for a renewal of the current terms it gets extended but if Disney wants a bigger slice of the box office I suspect Sony will have to put their foot down.

I think the Sony executives will be watching Matt Reeves The Batman very closely. We're now getting a reboot in THE SAME YEAR as it's previous iteration comes out (Ben Affleck is in The Flash 2022 in some capacity). We now know audiences are generally used to reboots coming very very quickly. The Batman will be set in it's own universe apart from the DCEU and if it's a success I think we could once again see Sony do a soft reboot franchise outside the MCU though will the same cast as the MCU iteration

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think Sony will want to Reboot again if they can help it. Sony are not confident enough as a studio. and i am willing to bet part of the deal with Marvel is that Sony can still use Hollands spider-man even if the deal ends. which was their plan originally anyway when the deal fell through the first time.

 

[Green Goblin]

Sorry that's what I meant by using the same cast! Tom Holland, Tomei etc would be kept but there would be no MCU connection going forward.

 

[Frodo]

Does anyone think that the MCU deal might not get renewed after his next Marvel team-up appearance?

I think there's a decent chance if Disney asks for a renewal of the current terms it gets extended but if Disney wants a bigger slice of the box office I suspect Sony will have to put their foot down.

I think the Sony executives will be watching Matt Reeves The Batman very closely. We're now getting a reboot in THE SAME YEAR as it's previous iteration comes out (Ben Affleck is in The Flash 2022 in some capacity). We now know audiences are generally used to reboots coming very very quickly. The Batman will be set in it's own universe apart from the DCEU and if it's a success I think we could once again see Sony do a soft reboot franchise outside the MCU though will the same cast as the MCU iteration

I think Sony and Disney will continue to re-up as long as possible. The deal will continue to be renegotiated over the years and there may be more briknsmanship on both sides along the way, but like the last time, they'll work it out.

There's just too much money on both ends to walk away from, and the relationship is too beneficial, even with the clashing egos at both studios.

If they ever did decide to break away from Disney, it would really have to depend on when the break happens.

If Holland walks after a few more films ,including solo and appearances in other heroes's films, then it becomes more of a natural time for Sony and Disney to part ways, and for Sony to hard or soft reboot it.

If they got a new lead, Sony could soft reboot ala the Bond franchise from the 60's through 2002, or they could just hard reboot it, though a hard reboot would also have to depend on whether or not they'd want the 4th version of Peter Parker interacting with whatever they're doing with their spinoff films.

Then of course, there's always the fanboy dream of Disney buying the Spiderman rights which would make the issue moot. However, given everything that's happened this year, and Disney likely not wanting to make another huge purchase anytime soon, I'm skeptical that's even an option in the near term, i.e, the next couple of years.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think you will be lucky if they negotiate even once more tbh. Holland has played the role 5 times, with by the time the deal ends he will have done 7 movies. which is alot by comic book movie standards. i ain't sure how much further Disney will go with Spidey considering how quickly this universe is progressing.

And of course the fact that the recent deal has less films contracted, basically 2 isn't it? says that when they made the recent deal they were less sure then they were the first time. it almost feels like they are doing it just to conclude this MCU arc because FFH it was left in an awkward place for them to part ways. So they said ok one more spider-man movie and one more crossover. you get one, we get one.

 

[Green Goblin]

Sony could just release animated films or something to keep the rights and just let the live action franchise take a well deserved rest.

If Uncharted is a success Sony are sitting on a potential goldmine for franchises. The PlayStation brand has several video games that are worthy of a big screen adaptation.

Maybe video game adaptions could become the next craze?

 

[Airwings]

Maybe video game adaptions could become the next craze?

I doubt that very much!

Warcraft didn't fare well. Neither did Assassin's Creed.
There's something about video games that make them flop as films, by default. It's goes back as far as Super Mario Bros.

Only Legend of Zelda can break that curse. I guess it will be the only adaption ever that becomes successful.

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah. Good luck with those videogame movies. lol

 

[Schlosser85]

Hollywood has never been good at video game to movie adaptations.

 

[kguillou]

Insomnia Games is now two for two in completely schooling the filmmakers on how to make a great Spiderman story. Miles Morales is fantastic, the storytelling, acting, drama and character development is so on point its mind boggling why the films cant do this. The writers and developers behind these games managed to capture the raw essence of what a Spider-man story should be, whether its Peter behind the mask or someone else.

 

[Green Goblin]

I don't think the concept of some video games are harder to do than comics. A talking racoon and tree is no more ridiculous than say an underwater city like in BioShock.

It's all about execution.

 

[Frodo]

I think you will be lucky if they negotiate even once more tbh. Holland has played the role 5 times, with by the time the deal ends he will have done 7 movies. which is alot by comic book movie standards. i ain't sure how much further Disney will go with Spidey considering how quickly this universe is progressing.

And of course the fact that the recent deal has less films contracted, basically 2 isn't it? says that when they made the recent deal they were less sure then they were the first time. it almost feels like they are doing it just to conclude this MCU arc because FFH it was left in an awkward place for them to part ways. So they said ok one more spider-man movie and one more crossover. you get one, we get one.

I actually think Disney and Sony are more likely to make another deal than to walk away. Things change, and given the amount of time that will pass by the time they finish with two more films, alot can happen.

I'm skeptical Disney or Feige, would be willing to just let go of such a profitable character, especially since FFH made a billion dollars.

At the end of the day , Spiderman is still one of the main flagships of the Marvel brand, and I think they'd rather have him as part of the MCU than not, assuming the other two films continue to perform well.

That said, I could see Holland leaving after the next two appearances. He's a young man now, and may want to move onto other things after 7 appearances and that probably would throw a monkey wrench into future MCU based Spiderman films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'm skeptical Disney or Feige, would be willing to just let go of such a profitable character, especially since FFH made a billion dollars.

But Marvel are only making a small portion of that money. Sony are making the most out of it. and i ain't sure Sony want to keep increasing how much Disney profit from it. and i ain't sure Disney are that happy to keep profiting another studio with their universe. which is probably why the deal fell through before. both studios don't want to be the one making less than the other after seeing how much they could be getting.

The money sounds good and all. its who gets it that really matters. and Marvel and Sony are likely both just as greedy.

Then of course its easy for Disney/Marvel because they will keep profiting from Spider-man merchandise no matter what. Sony will only profit from the films being made.

 

[Toomes' Phone]

I wonder if they would bring Donald Glover back as the Prowler. He'd avenge his melted ice cream.

 

[venom892]

The other option is Sony sells it's film division, at which point the rights revert back. Either way, I think Holland might end up doing as many films as Downey or Jackman. He's enthusiastic about the character and shows no weariness of the role in interviews, like say Daniel Craig around the time of Spectre.

As far as The Avengers getting involved, this is often sidestepped as others have mentioned. Even in the comics, you kinda just accept no matter how big the threat, the hero in that book(in this case movie) will be the one to tackle them.

 

[Venom 1988]

The other option is Sony sells it's film division, at which point the rights revert back. Either way, I think Holland might end up doing as many films as Downey or Jackman. He's enthusiastic about the character and shows no weariness of the role in interviews, like say Daniel Craig around the time of Spectre.

Agreed. I've said it since Tom Holland was first casted, but I honestly believe one of the main reasons why they hired someone so young in the role (younger than previous actors anyway) was because they want they want him to be in this role for a long time (regardless if the Disney/Sony deal continues or not).

But Marvel are only making a small portion of that money. Sony are making the most out of it. and i ain't sure Sony want to keep increasing how much Disney profit from it. and i ain't sure Disney are that happy to keep profiting another studio with their universe. which is probably why the deal fell through before. both studios don't want to be the one making less than the other after seeing how much they could be getting.

The money sounds good and all. its who gets it that really matters. and Marvel and Sony are likely both just as greedy.

Then of course its easy for Disney/Marvel because they will keep profiting from Spider-man merchandise no matter what. Sony will only profit from the films being made.

Yea but Disney/Marvel still has a vested interest in the movies doing well. If the movies tanks, merchandise sales will tank too. I don't know what the figures looked like from the MCU movies but I remember the merchandise sales for ASM 1 and 2 were drastically lower than the Raimi movies.