No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Arachnerd]

I wonder how long they’ve been planning to do a Spider-Verse crossover type of film. Can’t imagine Marvel started Homecoming with the intention of taking this third installment in this direction, but I could be wrong.

At the very earliest, we can speculate sometime during FFH's development given Tom Holland's reaction in that one infamous interview and the fact that the multiverse is talked about as a concept in that film.

Spider-Man 3: Willem Dafoe Reportedly Filming Scenes For Tom Holland Movie

Hmmm... not sure what to think of it yet, but if true, I wonder how they would handle his return.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tbh im still wary that Toby and Andrew will be playing different versions of their characters. i have a hard time believing the rules to this multiverse deal will be all over the place and very pick and choosey who should be the same character and who shouldn't

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

There’s no way they’re playing different versions of their characters lol. I feel like we’ve had this discussion before.

 

[Arachnerd]

We've had. And GuestStar has curiously been the one to start each time lol

They're being brought back as their original selves. That's the main appeal of their return. No more, no less.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Im thinking about it from a technical stand point. the belief that say the villains can come back as being different but Toby and Andrew they obviously need to be themselves is abit ruleless to a point

I think by the end of Wandavision the MCU is gonna be one big multiverse of madness. and if Defoe comes back. aka the dead Norman Osborn, then the rule there has to be that he is taken from the multiverse. so going by that rule... whose to say that rule won't count for Toby and Andrew. whose to say the rule isn't gonna be everyone from the multiverse is a totally different version of themselves?

People say im wrong, but they never quite think about how marvel will explain the rules to this situation and what they will be. going by todays episode of Wandavision. i think people might be abit ignorant if they don't think this could be a possibility.

 

[Arachnerd]

And again, I'm speaking from the point of view that there would literally be no purpose to bring them back as different versions of their original selves that the fanbase would have absolutely no attachment to. Kevin Feige is smart enough to know this. You're the one who doesn't seem to be understanding it and acting 100% sure that they're coming back as alternate Spider-Men.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Thing is Tobey and Andrew s character haven't died and the last we seen them they were quite alive.
Enough with this. Lol judging by the WandaVision today episode it sounds more likely this is the case.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And again, I'm speaking from the point of view that there would literally be no purpose to bring them back as different versions of their original selves that the fanbase would have absolutely no attachment to. Kevin Feige is smart enough to know this. You're the one who doesn't seem to be understanding it and acting 100% sure that they're coming back as alternate Spider-Men.

We just got a wandavision episode where

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Evan Peter returns as Quicksilver. the audio description on the episode says straight up that he is Quicksilver "from the X-Men films". which likely had to have marvels confirmation to add to the description. but he is clearly not fully himself. but this hasn't stopped marvel from doing it. and its still created buzz.

And i know what people will say yeeah but its spider-man! and i say don't underestimate MARVEL!

Id be happy if this wasn't the case, but so far everything seems to be a little mixed up in what we are seeing and what we are hearing. and as of yet nothing has grounded any of it.

 

[ImSGirl95]

GuestStar2004, you basically said the opposite with the WandaVision situation. I mean, going by it Andrew and Tobey are their same respective versions.
I really have no idea why you are going against it. And I'm really starting to think that each of this verions: Goblin, Doc Ock and Electro are from alternate universes each one of them, and Tobey and Andrew Spidies are the ones that have defeated them in the past. because, yes, the last time we saw them they were quite dead. UNLIKE Tobey and Andrew which were alive.

 

[GuestStar2004]

GuestStar2004, you basically said the opposite with the WandaVision situation. I mean, going by it Andrew and Tobey are their same respective versions.

No wandavision at the moment seems to be

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Hey look its Evan Peters playing Quicksilver. the audio description says its Quicksilver from X-Men. but the character is clearly oblivious to whats going on and is playing a role.

I really have no idea why you are going against it. And I'm really starting to think that each of this verions: Goblin, Doc Ock and Electro are from alternate universes each one of them, and Tobey and Andrew Spidies are the ones that have defeated them in the past. because, yes, the last time we saw them they were quite dead. UNLIKE Tobey and Andrew which were alive.

I ain't against it. you just assume im against it because im saying something you don't wanna think about. and the thing about what you just said is that the rules seem to be abit messy. you know with something like this the rules will need to be consistent otherwise trying to explain whats the same and what isn't would go all over the place. and if no one wants to think about it, then fine. i hope its not true, but im not fully convinced so far by what we know.

Fun part is that if im wrong, then i will be happy, but if im right i won't feel that bad because i was already prepared for the possibility this could be the case. thats kinda the point of thinking about this stuff.

 

[ImSGirl95]

The thing is if they're alternate version, they won't even bother with them actors. The whole selling point will be this. If they wanted an alternate Spidey not shown before they could've done Jake G as Spider-Man (since at one point he was going to replace Tobey) and since he was Mysterio, Peter is going to be shocked that this alternate Peter looks like Mysterio that he already fought,
They won't bother with those past Spider-Man actors if they are playing different versions . Now regarding the villains, I stand by my speculation that those won't be the Raimi/Webb universe ones, but from a different universe(s), and Tobey and Andrew reaction will be that they fought them before and saw them die. Same with this whole Ned as Hobgoblin. He will be an alternate universe one, not the MCU Ned.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They won't bother with those past Spider-Man actors if they are playing different versions . Now regarding the villains, I stand by my speculation that those won't be the Raimi/Webb universe ones, but from a different universe(s), and Tobey and Andrew reaction will be that they fought them before and saw them die. Same with this whole Ned as Hobgoblin. He will be an alternate universe one, not the MCU Ned.

Well we will see. it just sounds abit inconsistant in terms of rules.

Also if its true that J.Jonah Jameson in FFH is from of the Multiverse. that might not help. and before people poo poo that too... its still something to think about.

 

[Schlosser85]

Jameson is obviously a different version from Raimi!Jameson. No hair, and he's an Alex Jones-esque controversial website provocateur, not an old-fashioned newsman.

 

[Spidey_62]

My guess at the moment is the villains might be alternate versions where they beat their Spider-Man's and the Spidey's are the ones we all know and love. I dunno, that's how I figure they might do bringing back these villains who died in those films. Still, even with a Dafoe Green Goblin or a Molina Doc Ock you can just say they came back from the dead.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

New Ock could very well be from the Webb universe and new Electro could be from the Raimi series. Goblin is a bit tricky, since we already had norman and Harry in ASM2. But they'll find a way to make it work.

 

[Arachnerd]

Electro is the only one I fully believe can be from the ASM universe given how easily they can retcon his fate.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Imagine if this alternate universe Dafoe/Goblin is a good guy and has to help the Spidey's in a pivotal scene.

Tobey is reluctant at first then has a cathartic moment with him.

 

[Arachnerd]

Reminds me of Green Goblin in Spider-Man Unlimited. Even though it was not done that well, so ehhh.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

I’m sure Watts will do a fine enough job, but gosh, I would’ve loved to see the Spider-Verse team behind this

 

[Ninjablade]

How is making the villains alternate versions of the ones we see an inconsistent rule with us seeing the same Spider-Men we've seen in the past? It's the multiverse, they could easily do that. Have your cake and eat it too.

If anything it makes more sense to do that. These characters coming across old ghosts could make for interesting character work.

 

[ImSGirl95]

How is making the villains alternate versions of the ones we see an inconsistent rule with us seeing the same Spider-Men we've seen in the past? It's the multiverse, they could easily do that. Have your cake and eat it too.

If anything it makes more sense to do that. These characters coming across old ghosts could make for interesting character work.

Indeed. That's what I'm saying. They are from alternate universes, and Tobey & Andrew as you say kinda face old ghosts.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

The rumor with Dafoe has been that he's going to play the MCU version of Norman Osborn.

 

[Arachnerd]

After seeing Wandavision's fifth episode, I'm more convinced that

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with Evan Peters' Pietro coming into the picture because of Wanda's actions that are now growing out of her control, that Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men will be the original selves.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Yeah, same here. After watching the episode it's a really safe bet

 

[GuestStar2004]

Imagine if this alternate universe Dafoe/Goblin is a good guy and has to help the Spidey's in a pivotal scene.

Tobey is reluctant at first then has a cathartic moment with him.

I doubt Toby and Andrews role will be big enough to justify this sorta exposition with every character they have ever met in their films.