Spin-offable Spider-Man characters

[ludovica]

The possibilities are endless (are they?).

Is there any Spider-Man character not yet announced you would be glad or O-K with getting a Sony spin-off?
I'd say the more obscure the better, but I'd be aiming to ones who could carry a movie without being in-name-only.

(This is not a low level trolling thread for those who hate this prospect, but have fun, but be serious, while having fun.)

My vote would be for Cardiac or Chance. Stop laughing.


Edit- for reference, a list of the characters already eyed by Sony as solo leading material besides Venom:
Black Cat, Jackpot, Kraven, Morbius, Nightwatch, Silk, Silver Sable.
Mysteryo thankfully excluded at this point.

 

[CJ]

Spider Ham solo movie plz

 

[David H.]

Big Wheel.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Ideally characters who have had solo stories and whose origins don't depend on Spider-Man. For example, these are not Sony characters but both Punisher and Cloak and Dagger debuted in Spider-Man and work just fine without him.

Of the announced movies, Morbius is probably the best choice, to be honest. I mean, that one character that supposedly is going to be a Spike Lee project is the most independent, but I'm drawing a blank on his name and he lacks any recognition. Silver Sable isn't actually all that bad of a choice either.

Otherwise, properties like Spider-Man 2099 aren't bad ideas because Spider-Man could have existed and not need to appear, but the problem is that story benefits from being able to reference the greater Marvel Universe.

 

[ludovica]

I'd love a 2099 movie but for me that should come from Marvel Studios, as you said the concept hinges on the MU history too much.

 

[ludovica]

For reference I added in the OP the list of characters apparently already eyed by Sony besides Venom:
Black Cat, Jackpot, Kraven, Morbius, Nightwatch, Silk, Silver Sable.

It occurred to me that an argument could be made for Sandman: he could be a not so bright reformed criminal, and I wouldn't even play it as a comedy either.
This way one of my favorite Spider-villains could be explored more thoroughly than a brawler like him would in a MCU film.
He has the necessary complexity to carry a character study that another favorite of mine, Rhino, has not.
No reason any of this movies couldn't be a bit experimental with a lower budget
Speaking of which, I take that back: give me Flowers For Rhino!

 

[ehh]

The only spin-off I would want to see is 2099, but Sony would ruin it.

 

[ludovica]

The only spin-off I would want to see is 2099, but Sony would ruin it.

Seeing I liked Venom, one would think I'd be trusting them, but not with Miguel O'Hara.

 

[ehh]

It would be more exciting to see Spider-Man 2099 in the MCU, considering he is not only in the future, but an alternate universe.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'm not opposed to the idea but they need to take these films a little more seriously and take more time making them. Not see these films as a cash cow, but a reason to make them. I argue fire Tolmach, Arad, Pascal and Rothman. Let Feige get ALL the rights to the Spider-Man Universe.

 

[ehh]

I would be more open to these movies in theory if Sony took their time and tried to make some good films.

Marvel started out with a good pace, releasing a film every other year or so, but with such careful planning and love behind their movies, they built up a momentum that allows them to release 3 films every year. Sony is trying to compete without working towards it.

It's like Marvel started out on a bench press lifting 50lbs, slowly working to 60, 70 and eventually made it to 150lbs

Sony is getting onto the bench press and going right for 150lbs and dropping the weight because it's too heavy. So they just keep trying the same thing instead of slowing down and starting at 50lbs. They refuse to work their way up.

 

[ludovica]

I would be more open to these movies in theory if Sony took their time and tried to make some good films.

Marvel started out with a good pace, releasing a film every other year or so, but with such careful planning and love behind their movies, they built up a momentum that allows them to release 3 films every year. Sony is trying to compete without working towards it.

It's like Marvel started out on a bench press lifting 50lbs, slowly working to 60, 70 and eventually made it to 150lbs

Sony is getting onto the bench press and going right for 150lbs and dropping the weight because it's too heavy. So they just keep trying the same thing instead of slowing down and starting at 50lbs. They refuse to work their way up.

It seems to me they are taking their time, we do not have any official slate or any release date established, unlike what WB did.
Of course that in itself does not assure quality.
We'll have a better understanding observing how they will move after this economically positive debut, I guess.

People forget that at this point Sony does not only have the template for success of the MCU, but also a nice guide on what not to do thanks to the DCEU/DCFU and the Universal Monster Universe.

Will that be enough to guide the ship right? Ahhh, who knows?

 

[ehh]

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but how long ago was this Tom Hardy Venom film announced? It felt like this movie was rushed.

 

[ludovica]

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but how long ago was this Tom Hardy Venom film announced? It felt like this movie was rushed.

That I agree with but the first Iron Man was also and the actors and Favreau "wrote" half the movie on set. At least themselves say so.
!!! I'm NOT comparing the quality of these two movies!!! No contest there.

 

[2kt09]

More than wondering which characters can be spun off, I'm interested in knowing what kind of "universe" they want to build.
At the moment, it just sounds like the Dark Universe or the MonsterVerse. The monsters are the protagonists taking on bigger badder monsters.

 

[ehh]

That I agree with but the first Iron Man was also and the actors and Favreau "wrote" half the movie on set. At least themselves say so.
!!! I'm NOT comparing the quality of these two movies!!! No contest there.

I have read that somewhere, but I guess what counts is the end product. Iron Man is a very solid film and it came together nicely, where Venom is a big mess.

More than wondering which characters can be spun off, I'm interested in knowing what kind of "universe" they want to build.
At the moment, it just sounds like the Dark Universe or the MonsterVerse. The monsters are the protagonists taking on bigger badder monsters.

That's an excellent point. Right now it feels like Sony is just digging through the list of villains to see who can get a movie. I don't sense any plan or direction for a "universe." Right now we know what they want to do for Venom 2, but anything beyond that is a mystery. It feels rather pointless, actually.

 

[Lilbaz]

JJ Jameson the movie. A day in the life with him being kidknapped or something.

 

[ludovica]

JJ Jameson the movie. A day in the life with him being kidknapped or something.

Post credits scene: Man-Wolf.

I restrained myself from nominating him until now but you pushed me.

 

[2kt09]

That's an excellent point. Right now it feels like Sony is just digging through the list of villains to see who can get a movie. I don't sense any plan or direction for a "universe." Right now we know what they want to do for Venom 2, but anything beyond that is a mystery. It feels rather pointless, actually.

We know that Silk is getting a movie, so that throws a wrench into this.
If they wanna do non-connective one-shots, have at it.

Post credits scene: Man-Wolf.

I restrained myself from nominating him until now but you pushed me.

Colonel Jupiter

 

[ehh]

Don't give sony any ideas. This is the company that wanted to make an Aunt May movie after all.

 

[ehh]

We know that Silk is getting a movie, so that throws a wrench into this.
If they wanna do non-connective one-shots, have at it.

Ah, that's right. I forgot about Silk. In one way it feels like they are trying to do a villain universe, but then they add Silk, Jackpot and Nightwatch to the mix and it totally throws everything off. I suppose they can have the villains and superheroes team up to fight a bigger villain, but what is that going to be? Symbiotes?

If this was all happening under a better and more reliable studio with a talented creative team, I would have some faith in it. I think Sony is going to continue what they have been doing this whole time: throwing everything at the wall just to see what sticks. With the TASM films, there was a big mystery being hyped up around Oscorp. The big revelation is that Oscorp was bad, something that we already knew. Sony makes the same mistake over and over and over and over again and learns absolutely nothing. Argh.. it's very frustrating.

 

[2kt09]

Ah, that's right. I forgot about Silk. In one way it feels like they are trying to do a villain universe, but then they add Silk, Jackpot and Nightwatch to the mix and it totally throws everything off. I suppose they can have the villains and superheroes team up to fight a bigger villain, but what is that going to be? Symbiotes?

I did say non-connected, so no team-up to fight a bigger villain/threat whatsoever. They're already doing that in Into the Spider-Verse.

 

[ehh]

I did say non-connected, so no team-up to fight a bigger villain/threat whatsoever. They're already doing that in Into the Spider-Verse.

Isn't Sony trying to connect these movies, though? It's the Sony Universe of Marvel Characters.

 

[ludovica]

Ah, that's right. I forgot about Silk. In one way it feels like they are trying to do a villain universe, but then they add Silk, Jackpot and Nightwatch to the mix and it totally throws everything off. I suppose they can have the villains and superheroes team up to fight a bigger villain, but what is that going to be? Symbiotes?

Maybe Poisons, they are symbiotes' predators that possess superheroes. It writes itself really.

 

[2kt09]

Isn't Sony trying to connect these movies, though? It's the Sony Universe of Marvel Characters.

Characters popping up in others' movies is fine. Ideally, since it's all but guaranteed that the mobster characters won't show up in the solo Spidey flicks, they could & should develop the various factions, mercenaries, enforcers, etc.