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Discussion in 'Misc. TV Series' started by Thread Manager, Oct 23, 2017.
And alternatively, he's both a Terran and a Section 31 agent. Not unlike Georgiou herself.
.....um, and time travel !
Really liked this week's episode. Actually loved some elements. Starship porn, Federation/Star Fleet sticking to their ideals no matter what.
The Federation's new HQ in the 32nd Century reminds me of V'Ger from Star Trek The Motion Picture.
Well the Saurian scenes made me chuckle.
Quite enjoyed this episode, had a similar vibe to the first two, probably because it involved that syndicate again.
Nice to have an Andorian back on the crew, be it Book's crew or Discovery's (I'm hoping that's where he'll end up but we'll see).
I'm kinda torn with Michael here too. She disobeyed orders, but did the right thing. Granted she's supposed to be there for her captain and crew, but not only did she need to save a friend, she also truly believes in her mission; find out about the burn, and piece the Federation back together again.
I actually didn't mind Adria's scenes in this one either, and I think her character works well with Stammets. Hoping to see them work closer moving forward, both in a supporting aspect and emotional one. Wouldn't put it beyond the show though to bring her dead boyfriend back to life somehow..
And the empress? I wonder what's up with her? Could she be reliving a traumatic event, or has she been implanted with false memories? I'm willing to bet that (if the memories are hers) that she killed her Michael and it was so traumatic for her (essentially killing her daughter) that she blocked it out, and now, somehow, it's coming back to haunt her?
If not Michael, then the actual loss of a daughter.
It was a good episode! The upgrades they got...whew! The future is REAL.
Though I think its time that they upgrade (even though it'd be a downgrade) their uniforms to the future ones since Im assuming we're sticking with the future for the remainder of the series.
Georgiou cries "Son!" over the body in the flashback. It seems there was a dispute between mirror-Burnham and another potential heir to the throne.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, have to agree with all of the above pretty good episode whatever...but the real question is WHO'S GONNA BE NUMBER ONE ?
Honestly with that crew the best choice is Tilly - hear me out before you fall off your chair laughing.
That Tilly knew precisely what Saru had to do viz. Burnham going rogue, and was okay with it shows she's growing up. Georgiou is too bloodthirsty and a rogue like Burnham. Owo and Detmer are probably just happy being helmspeople. Stamets doesnt give a **** about command, and neither does Reno.
There's lieutenant blondie, who's so forgettable she takes command and no one notices -smells of redshirt. If she gets the job, guaranteed she'll get killed, Tilly will take command and save the day and part of the series closing montage will show her being made a commander. Mark my words...
If I'm wrong, feel free to laugh at me.
Tilly knows precisely what Saru has to to because of Burnham's going rogue, and more importantly she knows it's the RIGHT thing to do. She's got enough guts, brains and sense of duty to be the right number one - in fact IMOthe real reason they wrote Nahn out was to clear a path for Tilly.
Can't believe the Book Burnham kiss took so long. It was the secret that absolutely everyone watching knew from about 5 minutes into season3.
OMG have this vision of Stamets, Reno and the others taking the Kobyashi Maru test for number one and failing in hilarious ways......and only Tilly passing..
When was the last time Michael Burnham got cut down?
That exchange between Empress Georgiou and that agent looks to be setting up the Section 31 spinoff.
Who is the blonde lieutenant on the bridge whose name I still don't know?
As a Scandinavian I of course noted her name immediately: Nilsson. Lol.
Well... I know it's not canon, but in the STO Universe, Starfleet allowed the captains (and the crews below them) to essentially choose their own uniforms, providing they adhered to a certain code. It's possible they're going with the same approach here?
Ohh, I missed that. Thanks. Either way, she probably blocked her sons death from her memory, and will now have to juggle between that revelation, and that her sons murderer was Burnham, but not. I suppose it would be like having a best friend who's twin murders someone else you care for. That's gotta' be awkward.
You make a good case, but I'm not sure Tilly can be. Wouldn't a number one need to be of a certain rank? As far as I know, only three characters have ever held that title on screen, and two of them have been within the command ranks. The other is a Dog.
As for who else could fill that void? How about nobody? Saru was second in command during Lorca & Pike's run, but was never referred too as number one (was he?); it might just be that the show goes on without one. It's not essential, as this show is different to those that preceded it. Maybe a new, as of yet un-introduced character will be issued the role.
That said, maybe Burnham will redeem herself very quickly and regain her lost title.
Three characters have only been referred to as Number One not held that title. It's just a way that the captain refers to his or her first officer. But lots of characters have held the rank of first officer. Whether a captain chooses to use the Number One designation is their prerogative.
In the original series, in the early episodes with Kirk, Spock was only a Lt Commander, but still was first officer. Only sometime later within the course of the series was he promoted to full commander off screen. But Kirk, or anyone for that matter, never referred to Spock even by his rank but just called him "Mr Spock", even those lower than him - e.g. Chekov. Compare this with TNG where no-one would dream of calling Riker "Mr Riker" but always referred to him as Commander. For someone more laid back like Riker, he was more formal than Spock in that regard.
I think to have the necessary experience to be a first officer ie Number One, someone would probably have to be at least Lt Commander. But in a desperate situation where the crew is all alone like Voyager or even Discovery for a while this season, if those ranked Lt Commander or above were all dead then the Captain would probably select the next highest ranking officer or the one with the most command experience.
In Deep Space Nine, the first officer was Kira Nerys. But she wasn't even a ranked Starfleet Officer. She held the rank of Major from the Bajoran military, and then later Colonel. But DS9's commanding officer Sisko wasn't even a captain to begin with but only a commander, and only later received his promotion.
I'm guessing they'll twist the knife and the relationships even more. There was a real human Ash Tyler before Voq took his identity. If the Emperor adopted mirror-Ash just like she did with mirror-Michael, then Georgiou can't get away from her family ghosts no matter what era she ends up in. Plus, it would be a way to bring Shazad Latif back this season, at least in new flashbacks.
In the US Navy (as I understand it), a captain can address any lower ranked officer as “mister.” Additionally, lower ranked officers (ensign or lieutenant) can address each other as “mister” — but only up to lieutenant. E.g., an ensign should not call a lieutenant commander or full commander “mister.” Obviously, this tradition was ignored in TOS. Frequently (as you mention), Chekov, Sulu or Uhura would address Commander Spock as “Mister Spock.”
I don't recall if TNG (and beyond) settled on a more accurate — or consistent — application of the "mister" title.
I think it was only Captain Picard or Cmdr Riker who called a lower office "mister" - eg "Mr Data", "Mr LaForge", "Mr Worf" etc. But none of them ever called Riker "Mr Riker." And in all other series I think this kind of formality has been adopted as no-one ever said "Mr Chakotay" but he would say "Mr Paris".
But that only seemed to apply to men. No-one ever said "Miss Torres" but "Lt Torres" or "B'Elanna", or no-one said "Miss Uhura" but "Lt Uhura." I don't know if that's similar in the navy.
Una (Pike's Number One) only holds the rank of Lt Cmd also. Just for reference.
I'd agree, but now, with Discovery at least, they're not isolated. They've found Starfleet HQ. With all respect to Tilly, she's not going to be given that title, she simply isn't experienced enough. Saru should/could request someone from HQ, or another ship, maybe someone with knowledge of 31st Century Federation.
That literally would be quite the conundrum. Pretty sure Shazad is involved in another project now though, and I'm not sure I'd care to see him in mere flashbacks - especially as it'll be a different character. I'm intrigued to see where they go with this though, cause Georgiou seemed to be displaying genuine emotion, which isn't seemingly a true terran trait.
They can make Lieutenant Blondie the first officer then. They've had her take command of the bridge before, and besides, they need to develop her character. But I don't know how experienced she is either.
The Discovery crew all seem rather inexperienced though, and none seem really capable of being a first officer just yet. That's why I would've preferred regular Georgiou had been the captain and Saru her first officer.
I think they probably deliberately didn't have Discovery isolated this season, otherwise they'd be too much like Voyager. Plus they wanted to give them upgrades, which they wouldn't have been able to receive without Starfleet.
Nilsson probably will become the second in command, actually giving her more than a few moments of screen time. Maybe they can flesh out some more of the crew while they do it too... And now they are getting somewhere with The Burn. I am thinking some kind of terrorist attack, maybe temporal.
Is Lt Nilsson the same as Lt Commander Airiam? Well the latter was killed off quickly without any character development and everyone was supposed to be mourning her. So I imagine the same will probably happen with Nilsson.
Burnham is going to be first officer by the end of the season. I'm surprised she doesn't even power the spore drive. Why give that role to Stamets?
This was probably my favorite episode of the season so far. The scenes with Adira didn't even bother too much this time either, but I'm sure its because the episode didn't actually focus entirely on her which was my biggest problem with that previous episode and I even warming a little to her relationship with Stamets. I wish Saru got a bit more to do too, but I loved everything with Georgiou, Book and Burnham on that scavenger planet.
Sara Mitich was both Nilsson and Airiam. The theory goes it was an adverse reaction to the makeup which is why Airiam was recast with Hannah Cheesman in season 2 only to die off in season 2 and brought back Mitich to reprise the station Airiam originally held as Nilsson instead.
I can see Nilsson being given the first officer spot, and I'd like that because I'd also like to see more of her character. And partly because I miss Airiam.
Well Discovery does what....Discovery does. Tilly is 1st Officer/Number 1. I guess that's what happens when you dont really have any characters who are developed that should naturally take the spot.