Star Wars 2.0 - Part 1.5 Chapter III: Revenge of the Thread - Part 4

[GoblinWhirlwind]

And isn't he the only one that can? Doesn't he own all the rights and all that jazz?

 

[Teelie]

Spielberg owns E.T. and I'm pretty sure he owns the rights to most if not all his early work including Jaws. He realized the mistake with E.T. and stopped. Besides which, what studio would deny the chance to milk their customers with revised movies they can keep reselling to a gullible audience?

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I guess the difference is Lucas doesn't really care what others think, he does what he wants, and that's that. I honestly don't care myself, it's not like each new version erases the older ones from history. Once I see the BR versions and if I don't like them, I can just go back to watching my dvds. It's not a big deal to me.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I like to think about what changes he would make to the Indiana Jones movies if he could.

"Make the rock bigger."

"More spears!"

"When Indy offers Marion a date, I originally wanted a big donkey to walk directly across and take up the whole frame. Now we fix that scene with CGI!"

 

[Teelie]

Only he is trying to erase the uncut OT from history. What do you think will happen as media ages and we're left with only more recent versions? As far as we've been told the original film doesn't exist anymore, the VHS versions have a limited shelf-life and the DVD was a crappy ass quality rip off the laser-disc. In twenty, thirty years we'll be left with whatever managled POS Lucas has turned the OT into because no original version will exist.

 

[Teelie]

I like to think about what changes he would make to the Indiana Jones movies if he could.

"Make the rock bigger."

"More spears!"

"When Indy offers Marion a date, I originally wanted a big donkey to walk directly across and take up the whole frame. Now we fix that scene with CGI!"

He actually wanted Marion to be like 13-14 years old when she and Indy had their relationship originally. Imagine him rewriting that into the films. Then recasting Marion to be a younger woman to make it fit with that previous revision, then CGI Harrison Ford to look just a touch older and go Lolita on the whole thing.

That's the crazy **** people are worried about with Star Wars.

 

[CelticPredator]

I guess the difference is Lucas doesn't really care what others think, he does what he wants, and that's that. I honestly don't care myself, it's not like each new version erases the older ones from history. Once I see the BR versions and if I don't like them, I can just go back to watching my dvds. It's not a big deal to me.

The DVD's dont fit my TV.

What Lucas is doing is sick. Really, really sick.

I just dont understand how anyone can accept this....weather he owns it or not.

If you're a big filmmaker, you should'nt be THIS out of touch. Period. No filmmaker is like this.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

He actually wanted Marion to be like 13-14 years old when she and Indy had their relationship originally. Imagine him rewriting that into the films. Then recasting Marion to be a younger woman to make it fit with that previous revision, then CGI Harrison Ford to look just a touch older and go Lolita on the whole thing.

That's interesting, cause I wondered about that exchange in Raiders when Marion says 'I was a child, it was wrong, and you knew it.' and Indy replies 'You knew what you were doing.'
So, i don't know if he had that age in mind for whatever took place that this particular exchange refered to, but I guess he kept it ambiguous, as of course, referring to yourself as a child doesn't have to be literal, more along the lines of your mental age, talking about yourself being 16 or 17 or whatever.

edit: 16 being the age over here where you are no longer legally considered a child, and can have sex, marry and play the bongos naked in the privacy of your own home. But, y'know, when you get a little older, you look back on yourself as still being a child at that age.

 

[Balthus Dire]

He gets away with it because there's countless Star Wars fanboys (and I don't use that term in a derogatory way) who defend him no matter what he does. I can't tell you how many times I've heard:

"They're his films, he can do what he wants!"
"The OT is like 30 years old, get over it!"
"Just ignore the changes if it bothers you so much!"

There's still a huge Star Wars fanbase who will jump on Lucas' lap no matter what garbage he puts into the OT. I'm sure if he added a scene where Leia reveals she's a man there'd be people who'd scream "BRILLIANT!"

If he tweaked the movies and then still released an original cut, like pretty much everyone wants, then I wouldn't care what changes he made. But he's such a stubborn prick.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Aye, I would love to have re-mastered cleaned up original versions too, but, at least he gives people legal permission to do their own edits and freely pass them around the internet, as long as they don't profit from them.

 

[bullets]

He gets away with it because there's countless Star Wars fanboys (and I don't use that term in a derogatory way) who defend him no matter what he does. I can't tell you how many times I've heard:

"They're his films, he can do what he wants!"
"The OT is like 30 years old, get over it!"
"Just ignore the changes if it bothers you so much!"

There's still a huge Star Wars fanbase who will jump on Lucas' lap no matter what garbage he puts into the OT. I'm sure if he added a scene where Leia reveals she's a man there'd be people who'd scream "BRILLIANT!"

If he tweaked the movies and then still released an original cut, like pretty much everyone wants, then I wouldn't care what changes he made. But he's such a stubborn prick.

That's one argument I don't get. There aren't his films. He's selling a product. It would be like buying a painting from a museum , then coming home to find the artist added a steak across it.
I think fans deserve to see the original cuts in hd. On the other hand , I'm ok with most of the changes , not because I love everything Lucas does though. You can either accept them ( no one has to ) or keep fighting the good fight.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I can live with the CGI-enhanced tweaks, but other changes (Anakin's ghost in ROTJ, Greedo shooting first, Vader's "No!" crap) I refuse to accept.

 

[CelticPredator]

There should be a Natalie Portman commentary for the PT, because she cleared up something I have been confused about since AOTC.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1502/saturday-night-live-natalie-portman-monologue

But that doesnt make the film better. I still can bearly stomech it.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I still can bearly stomech it.

hey, I thought I was the only one round here who had one of those... yeah, I got one of those cyborg bellies too after several years of the beers and vodkas.

 

[CelticPredator]

Haha....ha....eh...

 

[marvelman2006]

I cant believe how serious some people get over a movie. Star wars ot if you ask me is one movie that can benefit from some changes. The technology just wasnt there to add some
stuff in the old days and you knew they had to clean alot of the cgi from 97 up to look halfway decent for this release.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Dude, just remember to read the instructions carefully, don't be drinking polish or cleaning fluids thinking you will be getting shiny innards that will make your bellybutton shine like a bat-signal.


btw, I have no idea what you look like in real life so i was not making some kind of sneaky remark in there or anything, in case that is what you may have thought i was doing.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I cant believe how serious some people get over a movie. Star wars ot if you ask me is one movie that can benefit from some changes. The technology just wasnt there to add some
stuff in the old days and you knew they had to clean alot of the cgi from 97 up to look halfway decent for this release.

eh, if you have been reading the thread carefully you should realise that there folk who have good reasons for being disapointed with some of the changes made.
Even if you disagree with them, you should respect the fact that they are not frivolous quibbles, and affect people's enjoyment of the films, people who have had many years enjoyment out of them that is somewhat lessened now with the SE's.

 

[jacobed]

This is without a doubt the best blu ray purchase I have ever made. Phenomenal

 

[CelticPredator]

I cant believe how serious some people get over a movie. Star wars ot if you ask me is one movie that can benefit from some changes. The technology just wasnt there to add some
stuff in the old days and you knew they had to clean alot of the cgi from 97 up to look halfway decent for this release.

This is not real life, this is a message board.

I should just stop talking about Star Wars, and talk about more important things like Politics, and what i'm going to do today.....

We're all nerds here. What is important to us, is not important to everyone else.

Most people dont give a flying **** about who's in TDKR, or Captain America's new look in the Avengers. But WE do. Because WE're into it.

So I am a movie buff, or fan or whatever...so I take movies seriously. They're not passtimes, or entertainment to me. They are my life. I chose that to be the case, and i'm damn happy about it.

So...if this was real life, and I was talking to you face to face, you can say what you said, but since i'm not, then you can't say that.

Because...well, what else am I going to talk about here?

 

[bullets]

If this were 'real life' half these conversations would equate to thirty seconds.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ Pretty much.

Message boards exist so we can discuss, argue, and talk about **** no one else cares about.

 

[Teelie]

I cant believe how serious some people get over a movie. Star wars ot if you ask me is one movie that can benefit from some changes. The technology just wasnt there to add some
stuff in the old days and you knew they had to clean alot of the cgi from 97 up to look halfway decent for this release.

And yet you are very staunchly defending Lucas' right to do it so you must have some idea. And yes, reality-wise most of this doesn't matter and wouldn't matter. Despite the horrible stereotypes most people aren't sitting in their mothers basements surrounded by Star Wars toys plotting the death of George Lucas for mucking up his movies. In reality none of us would care enough to have a 20+ page discussion that would last hours in real time to talk about.

This also goes beyond merely cleaning up CGI or bad special effects from the 70's or 80's. Where is the technological limitation for Darth Vader to yell "Noooo" from? Or changing the infamous Han/Greedo shooting? The inclusion of Jabba was sloppy in the '97 re-release but was also otherwise completely unnecessary to the story except to throw in an earlier Jabba appearance.

 

[chaseter]

George Lucas is like someone who is addicted to plastic surgery.

 

[Sith Scotti]

After much deliberation what films to watch first , I am going top Aotc and Sith tonight . I will save the worst for last with TPM . Not that I hate TPM but its my least favorite of the bunch and really the last one I want to see . So 2 to 6 than 1 is my order