Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe - Part 1

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[thehippie]

Hey does anyone here watch the great sci-fi channels show Stargate Sg1. If so what you all expect of the new season and the spin off series stargate atlantis?

 

[XBRoughneck]

I really enjoyed the show for what it was, a true spin off from the SG norm with a different direction and angle.

I'm not saying the show had it's share of problems, but it's sad to see people completely rubbish it.

newb to this thread. I've got a question.

Why did the Stargate mythos warrant a series going with different direction and a different angle?

Just because?

I mean, if you've got a decent fanbase with a certain style of show, why roll the dice with something that is pretty much COMPLETELY different?

I've watched 4 episodes of Universe, and those 4 have to some of my least favorite Stargate shows of all time.

 

[BlackLantern]

try something new, see if it works....I don't think it did.....the Stargate mythos has a lot of space to do stuff

this experiment just didn't work IMO

 

[Superfreak]

try something new, see if it works....I don't think it did.....the Stargate mythos has a lot of space to do stuff

this experiment just didn't work IMO

it worked fine... but for some odd reason, the producers on the 2 new sify shows this year had major brain farts.

Both SGU and Caprica started out with 10 episodes of crap. It wasn't bad crap, it was actually the rosy smelling kind. But that being said... the murderously slow pace of both shows opening 10 episodes was a horrible decision on the parts of both production teams.

I think it's a simple enough concept that the opening arc of any show should try and lock in a new regular audience with some awesomeness, but both shows decided that it would be better to bore us with endless character development, and very little actual forward moving narrative.

the second 10 episodes of both series were actually quite fantastic, once you got the taste of the opening 10 out of you mouth.

their cancellation is sad for audiences that were just seeing these shows come out of infancy at the end of their first 20 episodes. But I have no pity for the production teams that lost work because of the cancellation... it is their fault in the end for not pacing their shows properly.

 

[BlackLantern]

10 episodes is way too much time to not fix issues....I will usually give a show 3-4 episodes before I make a decision....

but that's just me

 

[Wyrminarrd]

Yeah, the writers and producers somehow over looked the fact that people are only really willing to put up with emotional crap from characters that they've already come to like. BSG didn't start out with all the melodrama between the characters, it had slam bang action for most of the first episodes that made you start to root for the characters.

 

[BlackLantern]

I got that vibe....I really had no reason to root for any of the characters

 

[Dr Lee]

personally i think SGU has been great... maybe a little bit of unfocus at the start of S2... but the decision to move timeslots to one of the busiest nights of the week played a big part in the drop in viewers... and now Syfy are moving the show to the other busiest night of the week for the 2nd half of S2..

the schedule team for Syfy needs to be fired and replaced with actual people and not brainless chimps...

The only other show that i feel has been treated worse than SGU is Firefly...

 

[Wyrminarrd]

Heck, after the first half of season one there wasn't a single character that I would have missed if they killed him off. The writers should have done more to make the characters either likable or at least had enough action going on so that viewers wouldn't start to dislike them.

 

[BlackLantern]

that's a ******** excuse.....both Eureka and Warehouse 13 have moved nights and their audiences followed them just fine

Eureka has moved from Sundays to Tuesdays to Fridays then back to Sundays

not to mention the cold hard fact that SGUs numbers dropped by half before any change in timeslots or nights aired



the issue is people liked SGU, just not enough to follow it to a different night

 

[Dr Lee]

i disagree... there were enough for a Wednesday-Sunday timelsot.... but not enough for the Tuesday timeslot...

A move that meant WRESTLING would be on the friday... on what was the SCI FI channel.

 

[BlackLantern]

it's that whole assumption that the audiences are the same, that and NBCUniversal and WWE have a tv deal

that and it brings about an average of 3 million viewers to the channel each week

I don't like it, but it's about numbers

 

[Wyrminarrd]

The move definitely didn't help the show but it isn't the only reason it failed.

The producers wanted to make a more "serious" show rather then the usual action/adventure show you'd expect from Stargate. This annoyed a lot of long time fans who watched the show for the action/adventure, especially since there aren't exactly a lot of space based sci-fi shows around any more that offer those elements. Maybe with a truly original series this change of theirs could have worked but since it was a Stargate series it meant the show had to over come non stargate fans views of the franchise in order to get them to watch the show.

In the end the experiment drove many long time viewers away and failed to get new ones to replace them.

 

[BlackLantern]

yup

 

[Dr Lee]

I do agree that the change in pace of SGU to SG-1 & SG:A did play a part in the downfall of the show... i also feel that the way they announced the show initially with Cancelling SG:A and revealing the new show 24 hours later also played a part...

but i firmly believe that the way the show was treated by Syfy played a bigger part... but i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this final point eh?

 

[BlackLantern]

believe all you want, the numbers say different

its numbers dropped BY HALF before any move of timeslot or night, hell from the first episode to the 6th episode there was already a 30 percent dropoff

 

[C. Lee]

I don't remember hearing it if anyone has mentioned it...but did they write an ending for the series because of the cancellation, or will it just end with a cliffhanger?

 

[Dr Lee]

it's a normal cliffhanger finale.... but both David Blue (Eli) and Brian Jacob Smith (Scott) say that there's a (TV) movie in the works... so hopefully we will get some kind of ending to the show...

 

[C. Lee]

it's a normal cliffhanger finale.... but both David Blue (Eli) and Brian Jacob Smith (Scott) say that there's a (TV) movie in the works... so hopefully we will get some kind of ending to the show...

I hope so too.....the cliffhanger ending with no resolution always pisses me off (Space:Above and Beyond always comes to mind).

 

[Wyrminarrd]

Shows on the bubble should have the decency to write season enders that while maybe not working as a series finale at least don't leave people in suspense.

 

[RetroNaz]

Oh god, Space, Above and Beyond was a terrible ending! It was great, but hard to accept that there wouldn't be anymore to follow it up.

 

[Superfreak]

I hope so too.....the cliffhanger ending with no resolution always pisses me off (Space:Above and Beyond always comes to mind).

I think had the ended that show in any other manner than it did, it would have turned out a lot worse than it did. The finale episode of SAAB is probably my favorite of the whole series.

The show was filled with tripe, with a handful of good episode. I was sad to see it go back in the day... but in hindsight, I glad it went.

now... as far as sci fi shows go... SAAB was probably the worst treated show, worse than firefly. It had a sunday night slot... but rarely ever played, due to it being one of the initial years of Fox sunday night football... SAAB got bumped for pretty much the whole season... one never knew when it was going to be on.





as for SGU. It was not the change away from the basic SG forumla from SG1 that hurt the audience. Nor was it the shift to a more serious tone. It was the utter lack of direction of the first 10 episodes which killed the show. Everything was there for it to be good, except for some sort of narrative to follow, which was completely absent for those first 10.

the night change is irrelevant. BSG played on like 3 different nights, friday, sunday, tuesday... and that's not including the fact that europe was getting their epis 6 months ahead of time etc. The choice of night is irrelevant. If there is competition, then the show should be written and made better.

I would have liked to see SGU go on, but it really lacked originality for me. Same for SGA actually... ever since SG1 season 8, things have been on the decline.

 

[Kirmit]

Just a reminder to all, SGU is back on Syfy tonight.

 

[Dr Lee]

US tonight... Canada tomorrow... UK... no clue...

from something mentioned on twitter last week... it looks like the last of the show's CGI is complete... so full production on the show will be all but complete now