Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

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Vala was kind of funny in tonights SG1 Episode & what do you know an Episode with that annoying bald guy where he does not turn out to be an annoying prick

 

[Happenstance]

Exactly. I just came from the Ain't It Cool News article on it and it just annoyed me how many people are praising the film and throwing barbs at SG-1. Finally, one poster with some sense mentioned that, if not for the series, there would be absolutely no interest in continuing the Stargate movie franchise now. The movie came out over ten years ago.

Anyway, it's obvious that Devlin doesn't care to associate with the show. He's probably just saying nice things about it now under pressure from the PR department to make it look like the movie and TV camps are one, big, happy family so they don't alienate any fans (a.k.a. potential ticket sales). The alternate worlds idea that Superfreak mentioned seems like the best bet for making the show and the soon-to-be movies coexist. I wouldn't mind if they went that route and maybe gave Russell or Spader or both a cameo the next time the Quantum Mirror or some other alternate world device comes up.

From what ive read now its not going to happen, MGM own the rights to Stargate and theyve got their own plans for a movie which is going to lead to another spin off show. They wouldnt allow sequels to the originals because it would get newcomers to the show confused.

 

[LadyVader]

I just can't believe how unoriginal Hollywood has gotten. let's face it, the idea of gates in space isn't that good to warrant new movies. The series worked because of its own personal charm. Fun sci-fi with likeable characters.

I just don't see any reason to make more Stargate movies, except of course $$$$$$.

 

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I wonder why they did not specifically advertise last night the infamous crossover coming next week ?

 

[Superfreak]

I was fighting the sleeping sickness myself. The SG1 epi was kind of boring. The only redemption for the episode was Vala... and I don't think there was nearly enough of that gold, especially the ending. Next week should be fun.

SGA later on today

 

[Happenstance]

Yeah it wasnt the most brilliant episode of SG1 ever, as usual I didnt like Mitchell but I doubt thats a suprise to anyone.

Vala was pretty good in the episode, I was glad to see the twist with Woolsey at the end because it was going a bit against his character seeing as he is the guy who actually does want the right thing but tends to ask the hard questions when doing it.

 

[zanos]

This was nothing more than a filler episode and it was bad at that.

 

[Superfreak]

SGA was a little better. I was hoping that at the conclusion, Sheppard would have ordered the hive into a collision with the camp, instead of just blanketing the area with wraith weapons fire. I think that would have been a little cooler, and a cool way to dispose of the hive ship, and those undesireables on the planet surface.

so next week, SG1 is on atlantis and we have a Ronin centric epi. I think this is a wasted opportunity. The opportunity being that they could have a 2 parter, split between both series. SG1 on Atlantis looking for Morgan, and then Atlantis getting a little help from SG1 on SGA. That would have been a great. A 2 parter, with one half on SG1, and the other on SGA. I guess that was a little bit of a pipe dream.

Anyhow, can't wait for next weeks SG1 as this weeks was a total lesson in what not to do as far as making tv shows go.

 

[LadyVader]

Sg1
What pisses me off is the fact that nothing happened. They went there to find something or other, and then it's never mentioned again. The plot, much like Mitchell, is just left there.
And wasn't the guy playing DR Grimer the same guy from "Window of opportunity"?
Furthermore, has SG1 become so jaded that they don't see a village full of bodies as a clear sign to GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!?!??!!?


Atlantis
Clear cut example of BAD storytelling. McKay is talking about how they're having a hard time controlling the wraith ship because it only responds to wraith commands. Cue next scene.
Atlantis crew seizing the ONLY friendly wraith they have ever known to turn him back into a human. And to top it all of, they throw Michael in with all the other ex-wraith. WTF!? This is how you repay the guy who saved your lives!?
*sigh*
The next episode better be lighthearted because I'm really not liking the Atlantis crew at this time.

 

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And to top it all of, they throw Michael in with all the other ex-wraith. WTF!? This is how you repay the guy who saved your lives!?
*sigh*

To be fair he did sort of have their trust & betrayed them once. I know it did suck with how they treated Michael & did not let him tell his side of the story. But you can't blame the Atlantis team for being how they were.

 

[LadyVader]

To be fair he did sort of have their trust & betrayed them once.

He never had their trust. They made a deal with him because of the benefits they could gain, not because they ever cared about him.

But you can't blame the Atlantis team for being how they were.

Oh, I understand where they are coming from, but I really don't like it. Much like I don't like the fact that Weir has to give an order to kill 100 people in order to remain in charge of Atlantis.

 

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but I really don't like it. Much like I don't like the fact that Weir has to give an order to kill 100 people in order to remain in charge of Atlantis.

I thought she did that in order to protect Atlantis ? Those 100 people would have eventually turned back into what they were

 

[LadyVader]

I thought she did that in order to protect Atlantis ? Those 100 people would have eventually turned back into what they were

The basic idea is that she had to be willing and able to give the order, but Weir is not military. Isn't she supposed to be the one who respects human life above all things?
Not to mention the fact that those people were put in that situation as a result of Sheppard's haste. "We can't let the ship run out of energy, we have to get rid of these people in stasis".
Couldn't they, for example, have landed the ship on Atlantis ground, left the people in stasis and continued with their research?

 

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Couldn't they, for example, have landed the ship on Atlantis ground, left the people in stasis and continued with their research?

Plot Hole But they were also looking to test flight & test fire weapons which they would get better results in space & not accitdently destroy anything since they do not have full control

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The impression I got was that stasis drained a lot of energy. More than what merely landing the ship could compensate for. I agree with the sentiment, though. The Atlantis crew as a whole comes off like a bunch of true *****ebags in this episode. Even Teyla, who was originally against the whole Michael thing and who tried to help him initially, just rolled over and went along with the agenda this time. The guy could've just turned Sheppard over as soon as he set foot on the hive ship to try and buy back some sense of acceptance with the other Wraith rather than actually helping Sheppard, saving the team's lives, and essentially handing the Atlantis crew a hive ship with a bow. That couldn't have at least bought him enough sympathy from Teyla, the bona fide bleeding heart, to even allow him to leave the confines of his room or something as an act of good faith towards building a working alliance? Cold, dude. Real cold.

 

[LadyVader]

Plot Hole But they were also looking to test flight & test fire weapons which they would get better results in space & not accitdently destroy anything since they do not have full control

I don't think it's a plot hole, just a really bad idea.

Take it to a secluded area. Besides, with Michael's assistance, I'm sure they wouldn't accidentally blow up an ithosian or anything. And we know for a fact that the ancients also researched cryogenics from that time they found weir frozen. Seems to me keeping those people on ice until they perfect the retrovirus was the best way to go.

 

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I don't think it's a plot hole, just a really bad idea.

Take it to a secluded area. Besides, with Michael's assistance, I'm sure they wouldn't accidentally blow up an ithosian or anything. And we know for a fact that the ancients also researched cryogenics from that time they found weir frozen. Seems to me keeping those people on ice until they perfect the retrovirus was the best way to go.

Its TV no show is perfect. Besides this week in general was lame with Stargate. Hopefully the crossover makes up for this week

 

[LadyVader]

Yup. I'd like to think that if Daniel hears what they've been doing he'd start wailing on them, hard.

But the way things are going, the series getting darker, probably not...

"Oh well. Evil is as evil does. You had to do what you had to do. Bring me that tome already."

 

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Yup. I'd like to think that if Daniel hears what they've been doing he'd start wailing on them, hard

I doubt he would have time for that. But hopefully the end of this Season after the Ori threat is dealt with Daniel hopefully officially joins the Atlantis team next season like he was supposed to do at the beginning of one sg1 season & show them how its done

 

[LadyVader]

I agree with the sentiment, though. The Atlantis crew as a whole comes off like a bunch of true *****ebags in this episode.

Like I said, they better be damn funny next week.

Oh, and what happened to the gaseous form of the cure. Why are we back to injections? Did I miss something?

 

[Superfreak]

Like I said, they better be damn funny next week.

Oh, and what happened to the gaseous form of the cure. Why are we back to injections? Did I miss something?

guys, SGA has always been a mess. The story telling on SGA has always been inconsistent. Anybody remember that the wraith were psychic, and could confuse the hell out of humans by making them see weird ghosts or shadows? That seemed to go away for more than a season, and we only got a taste of it the other night for the first time since almost the premier episode of the entire series.

anyhow, what I feel should have happened, was that Micheal should have been recruited by Weir, to fly the hive ship for the Expedition. That would have been far better than just killing him off (although, I suspect he and the other wraith survived).

Back to SG1, on gateworld, there is all this stuff about what the title of the epi should or was going to be. In hindsight, they should have called the episode "Yawn"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yup. I'd like to think that if Daniel hears what they've been doing he'd start wailing on them, hard.

But the way things are going, the series getting darker, probably not...

"Oh well. Evil is as evil does. You had to do what you had to do. Bring me that tome already."

Yeah, I wish someone had stepped up to be an actual voice of reason in SGA. Some of the best moments in SG-1 came from Daniel and Jack engaging in full-on ideological debates. Sadly, even that hasn't really been in Daniel's character for the past few seasons. He's hardened to the point where he would probably be the voice advocating violence and Mitchell the nuke-hater would probably have to step in and convince him to try another way now.

Like I said, they better be damn funny next week.

Oh, and what happened to the gaseous form of the cure. Why are we back to injections? Did I miss something?

Injections are easier to control. Presumably, one big dose of the "cure" is enough to turn the Wraith into humans, but a lot of Beckett's medical babble implied that he was running tests on the newly humanized Wraith, and part of those tests must've been to gauge how much serum is required to keep the Wraith human, whether some Wraith require more than others, etc. Injections allow for greater control. Plus, they're on a planet in a wide, open space. Better to do injections and keep up the cover story of the ex-Wraith's requiring treatment for a plague than to round them all up in a gas chamber every day for the serum. The latter's a bit creepy and would likely arouse suspicion.

 

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Closure of Cheyenne Mountain announced

You heard it on GateWorld first! We reported back in April's news that there was serious talk about shutting down the real Cheyenne Mountain because of budget cuts and obsolescence. The Air Force announced the official closing of Cheyenne Mountain Complex just outside of Colorado Springs. Admiral Tim Keating, who commands both Cheyenne and the U.S. Northern Command, told the Denver Post that current intelligence "leads us to believe a missile attack from China or Russia is very unlikely." The complex, built in 1961, is a symbol from the Cold War era. Back then, N.O.R.A.D. tracked incoming bomber flights and potential missile trajectories potentially launched from the Soviet Union. While it is possible such threats could arise again in the future, the current emphasis on combating terrorist has priority. In light of modern politics, the more complicated mission also tracks in-bound cargo ships and suspicious cars parked near power plants. As a result of the February Air Force Internal Review, the Air Force determined that there was serious duplication of efforts between Peterson and Cheyenne. The complex is costing too much money to maintain and update. N.O.R.A.D. has generated over $250 million in cost overruns hemorrhaging $700 million to update the Mountain since the 9/11 attacks. Closing the base will save at least $250 to $350 million a year on top of stopping the modernization cost overruns. In short, space is too limited and the facilities are too old. The move itself will cost "tens of millions of dollars," Air Force Col. Lou Christensen, deputy director of operations. And budgets will increase initially to cover maintenance costs after the base closes. Closing Cheyenne will maximize the commander's time and make him easier to reach. In the midst of the 9/11 attack, Air Force General Ralph Eberhart, the commander at the time, was caught in the air shuttling between the two sites and was unable to respond to urgent queries. "I have found, over the course of several pretty extensive, rigorous exercises, that I'm able to get as good or better situational awareness in the command center ... at Peterson," Keating said. What will happen to the 1,100 Cheyenne employees? The Air Force Space Command, which tracks objects in outer space, will move to California's Vandenberg Air Force Base north of Santa Barbara. Moving that many core personnel will empty the base of any meaningful work. The Canadian teams will move to nearby Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs. The rest will be reassigned to other sites. However, the site will be maintained for reactivation within one hour should the need occur. The nagging question remains, however. How will this affect Stargate Command? The most common possibility will be that N.O.R.A.D.'s departure will have no influence on future stories. President Henry Hayes has established to viewers that Stargate's universe is not our own. But several clever and creative explanations may grow from this real-world change as well.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/07/closureofcheyennemountaina.shtml

 

[twylight]

Sg1
What pisses me off is the fact that nothing happened. They went there to find something or other, and then it's never mentioned again. The plot, much like Mitchell, is just left there.
And wasn't the guy playing DR Grimer the same guy from "Window of opportunity"?
Furthermore, has SG1 become so jaded that they don't see a village full of bodies as a clear sign to GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!?!??!!?


Atlantis
Clear cut example of BAD storytelling. McKay is talking about how they're having a hard time controlling the wraith ship because it only responds to wraith commands. Cue next scene.
Atlantis crew seizing the ONLY friendly wraith they have ever known to turn him back into a human. And to top it all of, they throw Michael in with all the other ex-wraith. WTF!? This is how you repay the guy who saved your lives!?
*sigh*
The next episode better be lighthearted because I'm really not liking the Atlantis crew at this time.

Preach it.

Also I have a huge crush on Micheal..is that bad?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Michael Shanks or Michael the Wraith?

I read about Cheyenne's closure on GateWorld. Kind of sad, but I doubt it'll have much of an effect on SG-1. It would be kind of neat to see the SGC pack up and move to a whole new HQ next season, but it seems very unlikely that they'd have the money to construct all-new sets and everything.