State Your Opinion on A DC Character - Part 2

[Mystirious]

Hardware and Maddison Jeffries be getting no love in their universes

 

[Anubis]

Well, that's it for Hardware....luke warm to huh?!? much like everybody Milestone. Last one ladies and gents.

Spoiler

Maaaan my costume sucks!

Icon

My 7th favorite Superman ripoff.

 

[Mystirious]

I like him okay but i actually love his sidekick even more

Rocket! Rocket is frakking fabulous and everyone should give her their love

 

[Anubis]

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't know s*** about 'em. Static and Hardware are the only Milestone characters I've been exposed to, and even that was pretty limited. Just a few issues of Static's series.

 

[Mystirious]

Don't forget the JLA crossover Corp

Fun on a bun

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Love ICON. He's a 9 on the rocktor scale. What I truly dug about dude was his origin. where his really lokking alien race would take on the apperance of the indigenious life forms( hahahaha I love how kryptonians, the shiar, the zenn lains and those zamarons chick from before looked all like white people) damn brothers must be scared of space like the ocean. Haha.how he took on the form of a slave, and thought that just through hard work you could become somebody( which was/ is a crock of ^&%^) till he met rocket. ( there's another lesson in there somewhere)That stuff was cool. I love black superman!

* black vulcan loves the ocean so I could dig with some zen laians babes

 

[Kurosawa]

Thought he was very cool, one of the few characters from that time that holds up okay visually.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Ah, Milestone Characters, eh? Sadly, I'm gonna have to add my name to the 'Huh?' camp. Literally, all I know about them is the Static Shock series (which didnt do it for me) and that JLA story with Icon (Which ALSO didnt do it for me)

Sorry.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I remember the Milestone characters but I never got into them.

 

[Anubis]

Well, that's it for the milestoners.

Spoiler

Racists.

Huntress
Helena Bertinelli

 

[WolfCypher]

Sad she doesn't have the fans I thinks she deserves. I've always liked her. Her costumes for me varies, though. JL cartoon did her justice (no pun).

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I Don't like her much. Everything about her feels cheap. Her "extreme" 90's personality, trashy Bangbus costume... everything...
She feels very much like a character who'd unironically describe herself as "living on the edge" or something similarly asinine.

 

[E-Man]

That's a nice "dat ass" pic.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

mannnn! i so dig me some huntress! She's a 10 on the rocktor scale.an all time DC chick (second only to canary) She's so bad that i have taken myself to the con san diego to mack on someone in her get up! (evillll hehe) i will forever dig girl cause 1) this

cheesy ass show but oh my lawd was my impressionable young mind seduced( no wonder they want to burn comics back in the day hehe)
and 2)

Cheesy ass show but Lawd have mercy was Ashley Scott so &^%$#*(& Hot!
Daddy loves you baby!

 

[The Question]

I really like Huntress. I like the relationship between her and Batman. She has no connection to him, the only reason they even cross paths is that they happen to live in the same city, but he insists that she has to abide by his his rules and defer to his authority. Her reaction is, naturally, "You don't know me, we only just met, who the hell are you to tell me whatto do?" But at the same time, he's so good at what he does, he's so much everything that she wants to become, that at the same time she actually does want to earn his respect and trust, and she does want to be the model hero in his eyes. And even though he bosses her around because he's a control freak and pretty much tries to boss around everyone in Gortham who's involved in crime, politics, business, and the legal system, he also sees his own anger and the mistakes he made both before he became Batman and in his early career in her, and he wants to save her the pain and struggle he went through and does genuinely care about her well being. Its funny that, pre-crisis, they were father and daughter, but it was only in the post-crisis continuity, where they're not related at all and only met as adults, where they have a very real and very complex and, wether or not either party wants to admit it, loving fatrher/daughter relationship. And in the Batman franchise, a franchise that has found family, building a family out of the people around you who treat you like family as opposed to your blood relatives, as a core theme, I think it actually works a lot better. That's really why Batman and his sidekicks are called the Bat-Family, because they are one. Btaman is the dad, all of the sidekicks, including Huntress, are siblings, each with very different and very real relationships with Bruce and each other, Alfred is the grandfather who cuts his grandkids a lot more slack than their dad does, and Catwoman is dad's overtly sexual grilfriend who buys the kids beer and weed when he's out of town... I guess.

Anyway, I love the Bat-Family as metephore for family, both by blood or by circumstance, and I think Helena fits into that absolutely perfectly.

On her own, I think she's not quite as strong because of how well she fist into the ensemble, but then I don't think Batman is as strong without the League or his supporting cast either. Characters are, in part, defined by how the people around them contrast them. But in any event, by herself she's still great. She's very passionate, has a lot of inner turmoil, a lot of conflicting emotions and desires, but still manages to be someone who, at least from time to time, finds some joy in life. What I love most about her is that everything about her is a contradiction. She loves her parents, her father especially, totally and unconditionally, even though her father was a mobster and was as bad as the villains who she hates. She's devoutly catholic, but she's violent, cynical, and extremely sexual. She gets into fights, theatens and beats criminals, and involved herself in life threatening and morally ambiguous situations to help people and make the world better as The Huntress, but her dayjob is teaching high school history, trying to make the world better by inspiring young people and giving them the tools and opportunity to build a better future.

All in all, she's a fantastic, well balanced character.

As for her costume, I like the costume Jim Lee designed in the sense that I am an avid fan of pornography, but in-story it doesn't make sense and is stupid.

 

[Anubis]

Well said Q. Though that her being siblings with the other sidekicks thing is kinda f**ked up by the fact that she totally had the sex with Dick........but then who hasn't?

I'd also like to add that more was done for her as a character when she joined up with the Birds of Prey, than any of the time she spent taking abuse from Bat-*****e.

 

[The Question]

Well said Q. Though that her being siblings with the other sidekicks thing is kinda f**ked up by the fact that she totally had the sex with Dick........but then who hasn't?

Well, it's not a perfect metaphore. But then if it was it really wouldn't be a metaphore, it would just be exactly the thing it's supposed to be a metaphore for.

Besides, incest's the best, put your sister to the test.

I'd also like to add that more was done for her as a character when she joined up with the Birds of Prey, than any of the time she spent taking abuse from Bat-*****e.

More or less agreed. I still love her in the regular bat books, but then these things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Spike_x1]

What Q said.

 

[The Question]

What Q said.

Especially the part about the pornography.

I really like pornography.

Pornography.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Who in their right mind doesn't?

 

[Kurosawa]

Helena Bertinelli-huge meh. Helena Wayne=awesome.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, don't bring her up. I'll get to her later.

 

[E-Man]

Especially the part about the pornography.

I really like pornography.

Pornography.

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

 

[The Question]

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Pornography!