State your unpopular film related opinion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[Batmannerism]

Am I supposed to laugh every time Zod's on screen?

If you take Zod totally seriously you're missing out. He's intentionally OTT.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The first one is pretty good even with all its kinks, it makes it all the more disappointing that Batman Returns plummeted down so hard coming from the same writer(s).

At least you're aware that BR is not good.

If BR is not good, then B89 isn't either.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

If BR is not good, then B89 isn't either.

B89 is still significantly better than Baskin Robins.

 

[OutOfBoose]

B89 is still significantly better than Baskin Robins.

I never tried Baskin Robins, so you probably know better.

 

[2kt09]

If you take Zod totally seriously you're missing out. He's intentionally OTT.

Superman II is the best superhero sequel of the last century. And you shouldn't laugh at Zod, he's pretty threatening and serious.

The schoolyard bully approach does not work. I'm looking it at the same way we endear Tommy Wiseau.
Batman Returns is the intentionally OTT one
and Burton was up there with Raimi in knowing how to walk that tightrope.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The schoolyard bully approach does not work. I'm looking it at the same way we endear Tommy Wiseau.
Batman Returns is the intentionally OTT one
and Burton was up there with Raimi in knowing how to walk that tightrope.

Aside from 'KNEEL' Zod is rather nuanced.

I know you don't like this one, but an example of a properly written movie that goes over the top is Thor: Ragnarok, and it is fantastic. Over the top is not the same as off storytelling, and it's not an excuse for it either.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Can't stand Ragnarok.

 

[2kt09]

Aside from 'KNEEL' Zod is rather nuanced.

I know you don't like this one, but an example of a properly written movie that goes over the top is Thor: Ragnarok, and it is fantastic. Over the top is not the same as off storytelling, and it's not an excuse for it either.

I recall mentioning Zod literally acting like a schoolyard bully in another thread.
If there's nuance to be found, that pivotal exchange between him & Supes does not compute.

I never said I didn't like Thor: Ragnarok. It's easily the funniest of the MCU flicks...just that there are things I have to accept for a lot of those characters that don't cross my mind as much with other "reinventions"- Hela, Korg, Hulk, Valkyrie & Skurge in particular. The movie in general feels off with respect to both the Ragnarok & Planet Hulk stories I've read or seen adapted prior because they're so cursory with this whole romp route.
Over-the-top is & should be a tougher nut to crack then just be irrevent / ironic / this is silly comic book stuff
and that's what works better in Batman Returns than Superman II.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll end this back and forth from my end with the most mature way possible, a gif that expresses my sentiments in this discussion.

 

[LightDaggers]

Suicide Squad is good.

 

[Batmannerism]

The schoolyard bully approach does not work. I'm looking it at the same way we endear Tommy Wiseau.
Batman Returns is the intentionally OTT one
and Burton was up there with Raimi in knowing how to walk that tightrope.

First, I'm not sure if I think of Zod as a schoolyard bully - a bully , yes, but schoolyard isn't the adjective that comes to mind.

Second I agree that BR was intentionally OTT, as was Batman 89, but I feel as though Burton went too far in BR with the first born some plot ( his goons were like the child catcher from Chitty Shotty Bang Bang) and the kamikaze penguins. He got the balance right in '89 but not in BR, which is why it is largely an inferior film - with Pfeiffer's amazing Catwoman being the stand out improvement.

It may be nostalgia but I could watch Batman '89 any day. When I was at uni my flatmates and I didn't have a real TV, just an old computer monitor hooked up to a VHS, and the only tape we actually owned was Batman - needless to say it got played a lot.

. When I saw BR back in the day I was a lot younger and there was no TDK or MCU for comparison - and I loved it ( although I found it ridiculous). Years later it hasn't held up that well ( except for Catwoman) but that's okay , it's still fun to watch now and then. If you really enjoy it, more power to you, I respect your opinion.

 

[2kt09]

First, I'm not sure if I think of Zod as a schoolyard bully - a bully , yes, but schoolyard isn't the adjective that comes to mind.

Second I agree that BR was intentionally OTT, as was Batman 89, but I feel as though Burton went too far in BR with the first born subplot ( his goons were like the child catcher from Chitty Shotty Bang Bang) and the kamikaze penguins. He got the balance right in '89 but not in BR, which is why it is largely an inferior film - with Pfeiffer's amazing Catwoman being the stand out improvement.

It may be nostalgia but I could watch Batman '89 any day. When I was at uni my flatmates and I didn't have a real TV, just an old computer monitor hooked up to a VHS, and the only tape we actually owned was Batman - needless to say it got played a lot.

. When I saw BR back in the day I was a lot younger and there was no TDK or MCU for comparison - and I loved it (although I found it ridiculous). Years later it hasn't held up that well ( except for Catwoman) but that's okay , it's still fun to watch now and then. If you really enjoy it, more power to you, I respect your opinion.

Can't find the clip, but it's when Zod calls Supes a coward. Went through some other clips and I'm having trouble keep up with why this is the best 20th century superhero sequel (mainstream & otherwise).

More power to me. Penguin is the Grinch with the backstory of Mowgli. Catwoman wasn't the only standout because her performance & writing is taking from the same overall approach. Dunno if this was the first legitimate attempt at having multiple villains who weren't exactly tied to the hip. "Balance" is part of the equation. In '89, there'd be a naturally flowing interaction in one scene and then a totally dated & absurd one the next.

You don't need me to confirm if that's nostalgia. I'm just basing off of whatever clips I can currently find.

 

[-Arya-]

Black Panther was just okay. If Kilmonger wasn’t as good as he was, this would’ve been one of the most boring superhero movies I’d ever seen.

 

[Art_of_Crime]

Suicide Squad is good.

i was entertained. It wasn't The Dark Knight, but it sure as bad place wasn't Batman and Robin.

I found goodfellas kind of frustrating. (flame shields up!)

 

[Batmannerism]

i was entertained. It wasn't The Dark Knight, but it sure as bad place wasn't Batman and Robin.

I found goodfellas kind of frustrating. (flame shields up!)

Goodfellas can be a very tough movie to watch - I have to be in the right mood for it,
otherwise the relentless thuggery and 50s-70s pop tunes turns my brain off.

 

[OutOfBoose]

That's why I watch Casino instead.

 

[Schlosser85]

Suicide Squad is good.

It’s at least better than BvS (faint praise) and fairly entertaining. Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and Viola Davis are good. Really don’t like Jared Leto’s “Joker” though.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

I always thought that Goodfellas is one of those "art, Oscar" films that are most easy to watch. It's so entertaining and cool.

 

[Batmannerism]

That's why I watch Casino instead.

Really ? I think of Casino as Goodfellas lite. Joe Pesci plays virtually the same character in both movies - but has a more awful death in Casino.

Goodfellas is still the best mob film since The Godfather - but not easy to watch IMO.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Really ? I think of Casino as Goodfellas lite. Joe Pesci plays virtually the same character in both movies - but has a more awful death in Casino.

Goodfellas is still the best mob film since The Godfather - but not easy to watch IMO.

You sort of answered your own question. Goodfellas lite. It's less about relentless thuggery, prisons. Easier watch.

Not saying Goodfellas is bad or anything like that. It's indeed the best mob film since Godfather.

 

[gwynplaine]

I love Goodfellas but I think I prefer Casino, kinda like Scarface and Carlito's Way.

 

[OutOfBoose]

There's more energy, shine and gloss to them, that counterbalance darkness of criminal life.

 

[Schlosser85]

Scarface is way too cartoonish to me. I prefer Carlito's Way.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Superman II is the best superhero sequel of the last century. And you shouldn't laugh at Zod, he's pretty threatening and serious.

Batman Returns has a very rushed and superficial romance compared to the first, that is for starters.
Penguin lives in the sewers that are part of the Zoo river and has a lot of access to henchmen, technology, knowledge of all kinds, tape, toxic waste, etc etc....
Having the batmobile schematics makes zero sense, and Batman punching through the reinforced bottom breaking it makes even less sense.
Why did Gordon decide to flash the signal instead of calling more cops early in the movie? And how does Batman know where to go?
Penguin's move by remote control?
Waterproof technology, and a giant duck elevator that goes up and fully appears out of a small manhole.
Max Schreck telling his son that he tossed Selina out of the window to call her is ridiculous and unnecessary.
Chip Schreck is almost completely useless and superfluous.
Catwoman's origin is sooooo dumb, even before inspiring that trash Catwoman movie from 2004.
Why did Batman stare at one victim for long while he was saving civilians and property?
Bulletproof vest can be pierced by that small cheap custom added claw.
All those effing umbrellas and the gadgets they contain, and they are owned by some vagrant in the sewers.

And more.

Thank you. I've always thought Batman Returns sucked, mostly for these reasons. I think people just remember it fondly because 1. it wasn't as bad as the Schumacher Batman movies and 2. a lot of people went through goth phase in the 90s and as a result, give Tim Burton a pass even when he makes a bad movie.

 

[Deck Rickard]

That's why I watch Casino instead.

Yes! I thought I was the only one who preferred Casino to Goodfellas. They're both good movies but I like Casino better. I don't know if I'd say it's a better movie but I found it to be more enjoyable. At the very least, I rooted for De Niro's character. I hated everyone in Goodfellas.