Eh, I'd disagree. I mean yeah superpowers don't make any logical sense but from a story perspective, you'd be hard-pressed to find a well-regarded superhero movie with as many "wait, what?!" moments as TDKR.
I don't think it's anywhere close to one of the worst of all-time tho. I think it's fine.
Agree completely. As our friend said....
You've just described literally every movie based off a comic book ever made.
Interesting, because in your previous posts you seem to acknowledge that Nolan's world isn't completely real, it merely has a thin veneer of realism. Saying that, I kind of struggle to see why you have issues with the criticism of TDKR.
You know all this, but I'll say it anyway for the avoidance of doubt. The general critique of TDKR isn't that its unrealistic, because you're right that every superhero movie is. However, the " suspension of disbelief" allows audience to accept the impossible when a story is properly told (e.g. we are told in Superman the movie by Jor El ( and 40 years of comics) that Kal El will be a godlike being on Earth, so all the incredible feats he performs can be accepted by the audience......all perhaps him turning back time, which for me was a stretch too far, but that's another discussion).
When I first saw Captain America TWS, I was like '" Wait, what ?" as Cap performs superhuman feats of strength and resistance to injury. In the comics he has no such powers..... until I learned that MCU Cap is a loose adaptation of Ultimate Captain America who is super strong and tough. So when I see him throw a motorcycle through a truck and go one on one with Ultron in AoU or hold down a helicopter in CW, that's okay. More importantly it also makes story points, such as his ability to off screen steal the Falcon suit ( from a military base) and his own costume from the Smithsonian completely plausible.
The criticism of TDKR comes from gaps within the story that are so jarring or so ridiculous that they virtually destroy the suspension of disbelief.
Back to the veneer of realism for a moment,
Nolan establishes that Batman has no superpowers and lives in a world which obeys real world laws of physics ( most of the time), in TDK his reliance on mostly practical special effects helps maintain this premise ( the gliding cape is theoretically possible but in real life Batman would need space to reduce speed before landing, or he would really hurt himself, and the way he catches a falling Joker with a grapple and pulls him up - pretty much impossible. Dent's facial injuries aren't realistic, and he would have died from infection in a day or two, but his rampage is pretty short lived so it's not too hard to accept). In TDK this is not done so skillfully.
It's not that Batman is necessarily doing more outrageous or impossible **** than in previous films, but the storytelling isn't as well done so as an audience we get a bit put out.
For me, Bane's voice simply didn't work - too muffled and a bizarre acting choice. The mask was creepy enough but there was no reason to create the sound in the way they did ( V for Vendetta and Star Wars prove that masks are no issue re having an impressive voice in film). Similarly, Marion Cotillard is a world class actress, yet her death scene is more painful for the audience, poor direction and storytelling, uncharacteristic for Nolan.
The cops in the sewers premise suffers from both real world physics and story point problems, and as an audience we struggle with it. I can accept Harvey Dent going on a rampage for a few hours with horrific injuries ( although I accept his speech would be much less clear) but beardless cops in sewers for 5 months, that's just silly.
In contrast, Bruce Wayne returning to Gotham in secret I can live with - he's a ninja and a former billionaire, so him having the skills and resources to sneak into Gotham is plausible.
My biggest struggle is Batman's heroic sacrifice- because the timeframe is just too short for him to make safe distance - had Nolan set that scene up a little differently then it would be at least plausible that he could save the city, much less survive the explosion and get back to land safely.
I've digressed a bit, apologies.
Anyway, agree to disagree I guess.
