Stupid People Doing Stupid Things Thread - Part 3

[Octoberist]

it never would've happened if muslims weren't acting out in the first place.

I can't believe you wrote that.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I can't believe you wrote that.

believe it, because i mean it. the bikers doing this is a reaction to muslims' violent reactions to the cartoons or anything they perceive to be offensive. the south park creators censored episode 201 after death threats.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So apparently Dustin Diamond aka Screech is facing up to one year in prison for that stabbing. He has already been found guilty

 

[KevanG]

Bernie Sanders is criticized about a satirical essay he wrote 43 years ago

Senator Bernie Sanders appeared on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd today. He appeared to discuss his candidacy. As expected, Chuck Todd asked Bernie Sanders about his 43 year old satiric essay he wrote that will be misrepresented by the corporatist indoctrinating traditional mainstream media.

Chuck Todd started the question with his usual condescension for a certain sect of politicians. “This week you found out what it is like to become a nationally recognized candidate for president and potentially a threat to somebody,” said Chuck Todd. “A leaking of an essay you in the seventies for an alternative weekly, you campaign described it as satire. I will be honest with you Senator Sanders, it is uncomfortable read.” Todd then went on to quote the most ‘controversial’ snippet from the essay.

Senator Bernie Sanders’ answer was perfect. “This is a piece of fiction that I wrote in 1972 I think,” Sanders said. “That was 43 years ago. It was very poorly written. And if you read it what it was dealing with gender stereotypes. Why some men like to oppress women. Why other women like to be submissive. Something like 50 Shades of Grey, very poorly written 43 years ago.”

They have nothing better to do than bring up joke works he wrote from the 70's when the general attitudes of the US were very different?

 

[KalMart]

It is not rational to take ridicule of religion as an act of war. That is NOT rational.

It is to them, and that should have been known it would be as such. You can't always blame someone for not taking a joke well if you don't understand or respect just how offensive it is to them. Rather than try to appeal to that rationality to address a difference of opinion, the choice was to mock it from the get-go. Again, it's always wrong to threaten death…but it was a recklessly provoked wrong at a time of high tension. That is a risk one takes when doing that, and if one cries foul for what they see as an 'overreaction', then again that's recklessness on the originator's part…just as culpable as the aggression on the other's. From then on, it's just blind eye for a blind eye. This has become more and more prevalent recently when it comes to 'pranks' et al, the 'punk'er' crying when they get out-punk'd.

 

[KevanG]

Those guys have obviously been doing this to attempt a violent reaction from them. Why else would you have them pulling this **** beside a mosque then have heavily armed people try to demonstrate it being a 'peaceful form of expression'. Those idiots are hate mongers trying to show that they're in the right by provoking people who tend to get more than enough crap already.

 

[KalMart]

I'm not necessarily sympathizing or supporting Islam as a religion, there's a lot about it that I find deplorable. All religions for the matter, but straight up, if you play with fire, you can't blame it for burning you….or blame a rabid animal for biting you if you 'harmlessly' tease it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It is to them, and that should have been known it would be as such.

and that is not okay. you're free to disagree here, but i'm not giving them a pass on it. the right thing to do is, as I said before, is to ignore them for their offensiveness and ignorance, and move on.

You can't always blame someone for not taking a joke well if you don't understand or respect just how offensive it is to them. Rather than try to appeal to that rationality to address a difference of opinion, the choice was to mock it from the get-go. Again, it's always wrong to threaten death…but it was a recklessly provoked wrong at a time of high tension. That is a risk one takes when doing that, and if one cries foul for what they see as an 'overreaction', then again that's recklessness on the originator's part…just as culpable as the aggression on the other's. From then on, it's just blind eye for a blind eye. This has become more and more prevalent recently when it comes to 'pranks' et al, the 'punk'er' crying when they get out-punk'd.

I do find it offensive. I find a lot of things offensive. I thought bill maher's zayn malik-boston bomber-joke was offensive but I'm not the type of person to go say "that was offensive, unacceptable, and you need to issue an apology"

people making offensive cartoons about prophet Muhammad, yeah it's disgusting and offensive, but that's on them, the cartoonists. it doesn't change what's true about the prophet, to those who better understand who he was and what he stood for. no offensive cartoon based from the ignorance of others will change that. so they can make all the offensive cartoons they want, it just shows the ugliness of their character. THAT is what I would say would be a rational response, not death threats from people disrespecting a prophet.

 

[KalMart]

and that is not okay. you're free to disagree here, but i'm not giving them a pass on it. the right thing to do is, as I said before, is to ignore them for their offensiveness and ignorance, and move on. I do find it offensive. I find a lot of things offensive. I thought bill maher's zayn malik-boston bomber-joke was offensive but I'm not the type of person to go say "that was offensive, unacceptable, and you need to issue an apology"

I never said it was okay, I said it was bound to happen if anyone has been even remotely aware of ideological/cultural tensions over the last twenty years and longer. To challenge that through ridicule and then cry foul when it happens…THAT'S stupid, and reckless. That's not how you judge how someone should handle things. No matter how wrong one thinks that kind of reaction is (and of course it fundamentally is), then it's just as wrong to goad and provoke it, then claim innocence. If you or anyone isn't willing to share that culpability then you have no rational ground calling only them out for it, and you're being stupid and immature. It's everyone's fault, or it's no-one's.

 

[C. Lee]

It is not rational to take ridicule of religion as an act of war. That is NOT rational. There's no arguing against that. It is not okay to threaten the lives of people who are making offensive artwork. You say the cartoonists started it, but I'm pretty sure they make offensive cartoons about everyone, as does other places of media - yet the reaction that seems to always comes from the Muslims' camp are violent and life threatening.

WE....know it isn't rational.

The artists....know it isn't rational.

All rational people....know it isn't rational.

So....if you know that someone will have an unrational violent reaction to a certain thing.....then doing that certain thing in front of them makes you a STUPID HATE MONGERING TROUBLEMAKING ******* INCITING VIOLENCE. A rational, sane, decent human being does not intentionally incite violence from others.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I never said it was okay, I said it was bound to happen if anyone has been even remotely aware of ideological/cultural tensions over the last twenty years and longer.

knowing that it is bound to happen is exposing how the violent they react. it isn't fitting with how they should be in regards to everyone else.

To challenge that through ridicule and then cry foul when it happens…THAT'S stupid, and reckless. That's not how you judge how someone should handle things. No matter how wrong one thinks that kind of reaction is (and of course it fundamentally is), then it's just as wrong to goad and provoke it, then claim innocence. If you or anyone isn't willing to share that culpability then you have no rational ground calling only them out for it, and you're being stupid and immature. It's everyone's fault, or it's no-one's.

right, I wasn't disagreeing with you there as I said like 5 times already that the bikers' actions are condemning. I was just saying I get why they were doing it, from the predisposed reactions of Muslims before

WE....know it isn't rational.

The artists....know it isn't rational.

All rational people....know it isn't rational.

So....if you know that someone will have an unrational violent reaction to a certain thing.....then doing that certain thing in front of them makes you a STUPID HATE MONGERING TROUBLEMAKING ******* INCITING VIOLENCE. A rational, sane, decent human being does not intentionally incite violence from others.

yes, I agree C Lee. What the bikers are doing is wrong, and 2 wrongs don't make a right. I was never disputing that or defending them.

I dp wonder what the curse word is there though.

 

[KevanG]

It probably starts with an A.

 

[KalMart]

It's like that candid video of a guy (as a prank) asking a big security guard/bouncer if hell give the guy his first kiss, the guard says yes and cold-cocks the guy, and then the guy or his supporters crying foul that the guard didn't have to punch the kid. Well duh, don't go messing with bouncers you idiot.

 

[C. Lee]

I was just saying I get why they were doing it, from the predisposed reactions of Muslims beforeyes, I agree C Lee. What the bikers are doing is wrong, and 2 wrongs don't make a right. I was never disputing that or defending them.

But you are defending them. Saying I get why they were doing it is defending them. You are saying that you believe they have a valid reason for their actions. I do not get why they are doing it. I do not see a valid reason to purposefully antagonize another person into violence. But you do......

 

[KalMart]

knowing that it is bound to happen is exposing how the violent they react. it isn't fitting with how they should be in regards to everyone else..

It's not a matter of fitting, if you feel you know better then you should act that way from the get-go rather than trying to bait to 'make a point'. If you choose the latter, then it's at least partially your fault if you get burned.

If you don't understand that then you (and you're not alone) are extremely ignorant or more likely immature regarding this concept. You are not seeing the bigger picture, so I would advise you save yourself further embarrassment by not digging a deeper hole for yourself on it. I'm not trying to ridicule you, many of us have seen things this way at one time or another…but there's a bigger responsibility there that's shared.

 

[KalMart]

But you are defending them. Saying I get why they were doing it is defending them. You are saying that you believe they have a valid reason for their actions. I do not get why they are doing it. I do not see a valid reason to purposefully antagonize another person into violence. But you do......

It's like if one calls out a Christian for what they perceive as archaic and immoral beliefs, meets intense resistance and argument from the Christian, then says that they're not even a good Christian for not turning the other cheek and ignoring it…..


????

 

[C. Lee]

It's like that candid video of a guy (as a prank) asking a big security guard/bouncer if hell give the guy his first kiss, the guard says yes and cold-cocks the guy, and then the guy or his supporters crying foul that the guard didn't have to punch the kid. Well duh, don't go messing with bouncers you idiot.

Or from personal experience.....years ago my brother had an idiot friend who thought it was cool to punch people in the arm when he met them....he walked up to me, punched me in the arm....I looked at him and said "This is your only waning...do not ever punch me in the arm or anywhere again....if you do, I will hurt you." He laughed.....and punched me in the arm again. I punched him in the face and left him laying in the dirt.

 

[KalMart]

Or from personal experience.....years ago my brother had an idiot friend who thought it was cool to punch people in the arm when he met them....he walked up to me, punched me in the arm....I looked at him and said "This is your only waning...do not ever punch me in the arm or anywhere again....if you do, I will hurt you." He laughed.....and punched me in the arm again. I punched him in the face and left him laying in the dirt.

And that'd ultimately be okay if the kid realized he went too far afterwards. Live and learn. But if he blamed you for not being 'cool' about it, well….that's on him…and his black eye.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

But you are defending them. Saying I get why they were doing it is defending them. You are saying that you believe they have a valid reason for their actions. I do not get why they are doing it. I do not see a valid reason to purposefully antagonize another person into violence. But you do......

No, I'm not defending them. I said I condemn their actions but I get why they're doing it. It is still wrong. Here's what I mean. I remember being a teenager and seeing the first ever offensive prophet Muhammad cartoons, and I remember the violent reactions Muslims had because of it. Besides the more recent cartoons, I know the creators of South Park also received death threats.

And what I meant with all this is that if at all those instances, the Muslims' reaction was more quiet and more sophisticated in response, then this such protest/statement the bikers are doing wouldn't have took place. They are doing it as a reaction to how Muslims reacted. That's all I'm saying. So hell no, I am not defending the bikers. They're not putting any good in the world by threatening the safety of innocent people going to their local prayer halls for Jumma. It is wrong, on all accounts.

It's not a matter of fitting, if you feel you know better then you should act that way from the get-go rather than trying to bait to 'make a point'. If you choose the latter, then it's at least partially your fault if you get burned.

what the bikers are doing is wrong. I just get their thought process and why they decided to do it. But it's still wrong.

If you don't understand that then you (and you're not alone) are extremely ignorant or more likely immature regarding this concept. You are not seeing the bigger picture, so I would advise you save yourself further embarrassment by not digging a deeper hole for yourself on it. I'm not trying to ridicule you, many of us have seen things this way at one time or another…but there's a bigger responsibility there that's shared.

I don't feel embarrassed about anything here and I stand by what I said. I'm ignorant, you're ignorant, every single person in this world is ignorant because there will always be things to learn. I know there's a lot of things for me to learn but at least know part of the bigger picture. Which is that increasingly in this day and age, Muslims are perceived to be the worst people on this planet. Unless non-Muslims have gotten to know some on their own to realize that the people associated with the religion are not ALL bad, they are victims of vilification and it is difficult for them to be accepted and integrated in a blend sort of way in society. There's much more to it of course because life's not fair.

 

[KalMart]

what the bikers are doing is wrong. I just get their thought process and why they decided to do it.

But here's the thing...do you get how myopic it was to see it that way, and how it's just as myopic saying the Muslims should have just ignored it. In that vein, the bikers should have ignored what the Muslims said...are they cartoonists too or related to the cartoonists?

See I 'get' it how they felt too, because there have been times when I've looked at things just through anger and not so much rationality/balance and sensibility. I get how it's wrong feeding on wrong.

Culpability starts with the first stone threw...the cartoonists. That's where the 'getting' needs to start...and hopefully we eventually get how every step of the way was wrong as well.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Then you and those bikers make a great pair.

no we don't. i would never accept their practices, I guess I could not make that clear enough.

 

[C. Lee]

Not worth the time to try to make him understand.....I have better things to do with my time.

 

[KalMart]

no we don't. i would never accept their practices, I guess I could not make that clear enough.

I take that comment back, I changed the response to what I felt was more appropriate. Hopefully it's clearer now.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

But here's the thing...you don't get why the Muslims did what they did, saying they should have just ignored it. in that case, the bikers should have ignored what the Muslims said...are they cartoonists too or related to the cartoonists?

I get why Muslims overreacted. An offensive cartoon was made of the prophet Muhammad. BUT, the way they reacted was wrong. Just like how the bikers are doing this protest right in front of the masjid is wrong. And it all started with the offensive cartoons. and the thing with THAT - these cartoonists don't single out Muslims. They make offensive cartoons about everyone. It's only when something about Islam is spurted that a problem incurs.

Culpability starts with the first stone threw...the cartoonists. That's where the 'getting' needs to start...and hopefully you'll get how every step of the way was wrong as well.

yes, the cartoonists initiated this conflict but they don't discriminate who they decide to mock. why should Muslims get special treatment and not have offensive cartoons made about them?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Not worth the time to try to make him understand.....I have better things to do with my time.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I really am.

I take that comment back, I changed the response to what I felt was more appropriate. Hopefully it's clearer now.

Yeah I saw, and I'm glad you did that too btw. I responded to your edited post.