Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[DigificWriter]

The editing/tone of this trailer is all over the place, but that's par for the course with Upfronts trailers. The beginning had me worried because it reminded me too much of that Black Widow movie SNL spoof, but after watching the whole thing, I quite liked it.

Obvious TV budget aside, I love the cute, happy Flash-esque vibe it has. I just hope it doesn't have an Iris/Laurel character to make me gradually start to hate it like the other Berlanti shows. Benoist seems very well cast. At the very least I think this has potential.

James is this show's Laurel/Iris equivalent (read: love interest), but he's ALSO its equivalent to Joe as far as being a mentor/confidant for Kara.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Put her in some tights, have her use some superhero powers = men happy.

Girl power and some romance/dating elements = women happy

 

[Alien Anal]

I was quite surprised by this. I actually think it looks a lot more interesting than The Flash and Arrow.

I was thinking it would be fun if every now and then she would have light hearted conversations with Superman on the roof top.

 

[DigificWriter]

Put her in some tights, have her use some superhero powers = men AND women happy.

Fixed.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I'm glad it doesn't have the CW tone. That's a plus and nice change.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Fixed.

I meant general women viewers, not the superhero fan segment. Apologies

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It could get quite silly making constant references to Superman.

Jimmy: "So I was talking with Superman. He could fly here in 2 seconds to tell you himself, but decided you are JUST a cousin so not worth the trip. So I am going to provide the exposition."

 

[Matt]

Meh, I'd rather it be acknowledged than completely enforcing a character embargo on even mentioning the name. Let the fans know the other characters DO exist in the universe without ignoring it.

A big piss off to the fans was how the embargos were handled. Although I agree that too much of it can get annoying, I personally feel as though the trailer gave us enough. I feel like after the second or third episode we'll barely get any direct references to CK.

I hope that is the case. An embargo would be a bad idea. But at the same time, it is almost too big of an elephant in the room.

The CSI equivalent of this show's take on Catwoman would be a dude in a Sherlock Holmes hat walking around looking through a magnifying glass while a chubby policeman follows him and takes notes.

Exactly.

I'm confused. Is the complaint that they won't reference Superman or that they will? Or both?

I think the question is, HOW will they handle it. If it is what they did in the trailer, I am already disinterested. A constant barrage of nods and winks to the camera regarding Superman would grow as tiresome as not including him at all.

That is the inherent problem that this show will face. Warners probably won't let him be included on the show (tonally, the show does not fit with the DCCU and Warners seems to object to the creation of a small screen Superman), so what do you do? He's out there. Kara seems to know him. Are we to just accept that every time they see each other, it is off screen?

Conceptually, it is being backed into a corner. The viewers will expect him, by the merit of the big red S on Kara's chest. But he probably won't show up. Referencing him constantly but never showing him will get frustrating (and sadly, that is what the trailer did). So what do you do? Ignore him? Equally frustrating. That is a big concern I have with the show. It is like making a show about Donald Duck but NEVER having Mickey Mouse on it.

Superman is just too big of an elephant to have in the room, I fear.

Hopefully the producers find a good way to solve this problem, because if nothing else, I will say this...tonally, I feel that the trailer nails it. I love, that as Flickchick pointed out, it is similar in tone to Flash. I love that the DC TV shows are not giving into the pressure to go all dark and gritty. Well, Arrow is, but Arrow always has been to some extent. Flash and now Supergirl are perfectly consistent with their comic tones. I love it. Especially for Supergirl. I hate the notion that Superman has to be "dark and real," in the DCCU. It turns me off so much from MOS and BvS. This show seems to be embracing the idealism that comes with Superman (and Supergirl).

 

[DigificWriter]

I doubt we'll see the constant reminders that Superman exists in this universe continued beyond the Pilot, at least on James' end; Kara will probably occasionally mention him because of their familial connection, but it'd be strange if she didn't.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

edit double

 

[Snow Queen]

I posted this in another thread earlier today:

It could also get quite silly making constant references to Superman.

"Jimmy. So I was talking with Superman. He could fly here in 2 seconds to tell you himself, but decided you are JUST a cousin so not worth the trip."

Is this a concern for anyone?

It could get quite silly making constant references to Superman.

Jimmy: "So I was talking with Superman. He could fly here in 2 seconds to tell you himself, but decided you are JUST a cousin so not worth the trip. So I am going to provide the exposition."

You did. This thread, in fact.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I doubt we'll see the constant reminders that Superman exists in this universe continued beyond the Pilot, at least on James' end; Kara will probably occasionally mention him because of their familial connection, but it'd be strange if she didn't.

Kal-el could fly to see her in 2 seconds. Instead of personally giving his cape in a big moment for her life... he gives HIS own cape to be delivered by his buddy Olsen. It may have been a cool on top of the building scene, but it doesn't make sense if you think about it.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

You did. This thread, in fact.

Haha I forgot I reposed that here already. lolllll

 

[Alien Anal]

You posted that in this thread..minutes ago..

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

hahahahahahaha my bad

 

[Matt]

I posted this in another thread earlier today:

It could also get quite silly making constant references to Superman.

"Jimmy. So I was talking with Superman. He could fly here in 2 seconds to tell you himself, but decided you are JUST a cousin so not worth the trip."

Is this a concern for anyone?

You posted it like, 2 minutes ago, in this thread.

But yes, it is a concern. I mean, this isn't exactly a Buffy/Angel situation, where you stick them in different cities and can use that as a pretense for them never seeing each other. Superman could literally be to Kara in the blink of an eye and vice-versa. Any real threat (i.e. not bank robbers) that she faces, would be more efficiently dispatched via team up. Superman is just hanging out in Metropolis and ignoring the natural disaster or super human threat that terrorizes his cousin? How is that explained away?

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I am sleep deprived and on some meds for infection and muscle pain after getting cold/bronchitis. Bare with me

 

[Snow Queen]

I'm curious if, to avoid this issue, they have Superman go into space for whatever reason.

 

[DigificWriter]

Kal-el could fly to see her in 2 seconds. Instead of personally giving his cape in a big moment for her life... he gives HIS own cape to be delivered by his buddy Olsen. It may have been a cool on top of the building scene, but it doesn't make sense if you think about it.

It does if he wants her to live her own life (which he clearly does). Having somebody he trusts watching over her as she takes her own 'hero's journey' while he's off saving the world on his own is very much something he'd do, especially since he already knows she's in 'good hands' as far as her personal life is concerned (since he's met her foster family).

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

You posted it like, 2 minutes ago, in this thread.

But yes, it is a concern. I mean, this isn't exactly a Buffy/Angel situation, where you stick them in different cities and can use that as a pretense for them never seeing each other. Superman could literally be to Kara in the blink of an eye and vice-versa. Any real threat (i.e. not bank robbers) that she faces, would be more efficiently dispatched via team up. Superman is just hanging out in Metropolis and ignoring the natural disaster or super human threat that terrorizes his cousin? How is that explained away?

1. That was embarrassing repost for me

2. Wait - still laughing at self.

3. Like I remember just saying (lol) even the cape scene with Olsen is odd. Superman should have hand delivered such an item. Sending his buddy ugh

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It does if he wants her to live her own life (which he clearly does). Having somebody he trusts watching over her as she takes her own 'hero's journey' while he's off saving the world on his own is very much something he'd do, especially since he already knows she's in 'good hands' as far as her personal life is concerned (since he's met her foster family).

I appreciate the thought process (which may be more than the show explains) but his cape from being a baby? It's of such significance to his family. Surely Superman, or Clark... could have delivered it. A hug afterwards and a, "It's up to you now." type comment would have made much more sense.

 

[Matt]

It does if he wants her to live her own life (which he clearly does). Having somebody he trusts watching over her as she takes her own 'hero's journey' while he's off saving the world on his own is very much something he'd do, especially since he already knows she's in 'good hands' as far as her personal life is concerned (since he's met her foster family).

That is such a weak excuse though. I mean, can you imagine Thanksgiving dinner at their household...

Clark: Hey Cousin! Hey, sorry I didn't intervene when you were simultaneously fighting a super villain and stopping meteors from crashing into Earth...you have to take your own hero's journey.

Kara: Hero's journey!?! WHAT!?!? People died! Lots of them!

Clark: Umm...pass the mashed potatoes.

My point is, it reaches absurdity after awhile.

1. That was embarrassing repost for me

2. Wait - still laughing at self.

3. Like I remember just saying (lol) even the cape scene with Olsen is odd. Superman should have hand delivered such an item. Sending his buddy ugh

Exactly. It will become a distraction unless the writers find a way to address it. Hell, if they were feeling really ballsy, they'd set the show in the Superman Returns-verse and say Clark is off planet for 7 years.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's definitely a bit more CBS-y than I was expecting (or, as fairly accurately pointed out on the other page, it comes off as similar to the SNL Black Widow spoof). That being said, it's got some great moments and the CGI is great (for TV) throughout. There's nothing wrong with a different tone. Arrow and Flash have very different tones. There's also nothing wrong with a slightly different demographic.

But I do hope the show ups the superhero aspects a bit more. It's hard to tell how much of the season the trailer is covering.

 

[famicommander]

You posted it like, 2 minutes ago, in this thread.

But yes, it is a concern. I mean, this isn't exactly a Buffy/Angel situation, where you stick them in different cities and can use that as a pretense for them never seeing each other. Superman could literally be to Kara in the blink of an eye and vice-versa. Any real threat (i.e. not bank robbers) that she faces, would be more efficiently dispatched via team up. Superman is just hanging out in Metropolis and ignoring the natural disaster or super human threat that terrorizes his cousin? How is that explained away?

The same way they explain it away on Flash/Arrow or in the comics.

Why doesn't Barry just run to Starling and knock out all the LoA guys?

Why don't the Flash or Green Lantern or Superman just go and body all of Batman's villains? How quickly could peak Wally West handle the Joker or Catwoman? How quickly could Supes dispatch Killer Croc?

Because they're busy.

That's about all you're going to get. It's been an issue that people just look the other way on for as long as there have been shared superhero universes.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

CGI will always look good for the pilot. The most expensive episode to set the tone. I hope they don't quickly drop off on the effects budget.