Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread - Part 3

Arrow covers Urban street crime fighting, Flash is covering the multiverse, DC Legends will cover time travel, Gotham covers police stuff, iZombie covers horror, and Supergirl should cover government military and alien stuff.

 

I have only watched the first episode, but my problem is that it just comes off extremely hammy in this regard. The content could definitely work in the here and now, heck this board proves it. But the dialogue is so bad, that it makes me want to roll my eyes. Not at the content, but the quality.

I don't even blame the delivery here, well except perhaps with the sister. Agent Carter is a show sent in the 1940s, and still seems to deliver the message far more eloquently.

I have trouble choosing between Agent Carter, iZombie, The Flash, and Daredevil. All 4 are excellent imo and more importantly, in their own way. Agent Carter captures the Indy feel, with more modern day writing. Atwell is such a fantastic lead.

 

This latest episode was a step backwards after the small progress made by episode 2. It's like there's some guy off screen* with his hand on the budget for FX and he keeps messing with us by turning it on and off.


*Probably Superman...given how this show likes to keep reminding us that he exists yet never let him actually show up in any meaningful way. Seriously this episode was soooo annoying about it.

 

This is a continuous thing? Ah, damnit.

 

It looks to be a running gag...like Wilson's face never being seen on Home Imrovement in the 1990's...except annoying rather than funny(at least HI meant it to be funny...whether they succeeded is another matter altogether).

Don't they realize that every time they do it they are just calling attention to what and who they can't use? They better knock this **** off pronto is all I can say.

 

In the first episode I felt like it was rather glaring. You realize Superman isn't here and as you said it calls attention to the fact that the guy who could handle these problems in seconds isn't around. They also keep comparing her to him, which just doesn't work imo.

 

Wait till you see episode 3.

 

well I noticed there isn't a thread for maxwell lord


so I'll drop is here

"Supergirl's" Facinelli Explains Why Maxwell Lord Isn't the Show's Lex Luthor​

Peter Facinelli spoke with CBR about his character's true issues with Supergirl, and how he differs from his comic book counterpart.

Read it now on CBR...

 

I wasn't buying Maxwell Lord's as some genius either. Could be writing or the delivery(or combination of both) but he really came off to me as some actor spouting science-y stuff rather than owning what he was saying. I've seen actors who aren't genius's convincingly portray characters who were super smart(RDJ, Tom Cavanaugh, etc.) and this didn't measure up.

 

Last night scored a 1.7 initial overnight rating, down a half a point from last week's 2.2.

This is very, very concerning. If it doesn't level off soon we could be in very big trouble.

3.1->2.2->1.7 is not good at all. Anything that drops into the 1.4 range on CBS is in danger of cancellation.

 

Note the word...INITIAL! There are now other factors into play. Kelly, is there a reason to worry, though?

 

The initial rating is going to be pretty close to the final rating. The L+SD is the indicator, don't let anyone obscure the point posting L+3 and L+7 DVR ratings that don't matter.

 

The drop is too dramatic imo. I would definitely see it as a concern. I am also not seeing a lot of love out there right now.

 

The whole kerfuffle around Superman is doing the same thing to Supergirl that TWS did to Agents of SHIELD IMHO...

 

The biggest problem is that CBS skews heavily towards the older demographic. Supergirl has been outright rejected by the 18-34 demographic, which is where Arrow, Flash, Gotham, and SHIELD do best (compared to other demographics).

 

Not worried at this point.
Too early to panic IMO.

 

Wish there was a handshake icon. Would use it for you. Thanks mysteryman.

 

I think we won't go beyond a first season/13 episodes tbh. Especially if the ratings keep dropping episode to episode.

 

There is still a good amount of shows doing worse at the moment.

 

Well… methinks last night’s (lower) numbers put Supergirl on a par with other genre shows. So to the extent that it’s being “outright rejected,” so is The Flash, Agents of SHIELD and Gotham.

 

With the show bleeding viewers, I wonder if CBS are rethinking their no Arrow/Flash crossovers now.

 

That is not the demographic that the advertisers look at....they look at the 18--49 demographic and it is out performing the other shows in its genre in that age group. Sorry, but the 18-34 just don't spend the money like the 18-49.

 

Supergirl does worse than any of those shows in that demographic and is still falling. Those shows have stabilized. Their audiences are roughly 1.3-1.7 in 18-49 and 0.9-1.5 in 18-34. Supergirl was at a 0.8 in the 18-34 last night.

Supergirl's breakdown
18-34: 0.9
18-49: 1.7
25-54: 2.2

They look at the 18-49 demographic most, but the other demographics are important in that they gauge the age of a show's fanbase. Shows that have old fanbases will tend to lose 18-49 viewers every single year even with their total viewer base remaining roughly stable.

CBS picked up Supergirl because, aside from the Big Bang Theory, the network is almost exclusively watched by older people. They wanted a show to attract young viewers back to the network because almost all of their shows skew old.

If two shows both have the same 18-49 ratings but one has high 18-34 and the other high 25-54, the one with the younger fanbase is MUCH, MUCH more valuable to a network.

 

Of course all of the viewers are important, but the advertisers are going to pay the closest attention to the 18-49 women....they are the ones that buy their products, and if the advertisers don't buy time during your series, your series has a problem. They want their series to make money...

 

Supergirl skews almost 50/50 male/female, but it's actually slightly more male-skewing than female.

Another way of looking at the problem: Supergirl had about double the number of people watching it last night versus Gotham, but Gotham only finished 2 tenths behind it.

Certain shows are used by networks to get to certain demographics. Flash and Arrow are already the highest rated shows on CW in 18-49, but they also do something almost no CW show has ever been able to do: attract large male audiences. So they're even more valuable than their ratings suggest because they get people who wouldn't normally watch CW to do so.

CBS was specifically targeting a certain viewer with Supergirl, and that audience has not showed up for it yet. Most of the 18-49 year olds watching Supergirl are much closer to 49 than 18 or even 35. That's not going to help it at all. CBS already has a dozen shows that old ladies watch.