Supergirl Supergirl Season 1 Episode 18 - "Worlds Finest" MAJOR SPOILERS

Dang, this crossover was tons of fun. Teaming up Supergirl with the Flash was a fantastic idea. As everyone has noted, Kara and Barry worked perfectly together and clearly enjoyed each other's company, which made all of their scenes together a delight to watch.

Seeing Barry interact with a lot of Kara's friends was great, and Cat Grant had some hilarious one-liners throughout the episode. And of course, I loved the super-villain team-up between Livewire and Silver Banshee, which led to some very fun battle scenes for our heroes.

One of my favorite scenes in the episode was the scene where Barry was encouraging Kara to have faith that the people of National City would learn to trust her again. It felt like Barry was able to impart some useful and heartfelt advice to Kara based on his previous experiences as a superhero. It was a genuinely touching moment, and it was nice to see Kara receive a morale boost.

I also loved everything they did with the whole multiverse concept. It set up a lot of entertaining and amusing scenes as Barry tried to explain the multiverse to Kara and her friends. All in all, this episode was lots of fun and put me in a good mood by watching it.
 
Don't let it be your last.....this by far was not the best episode....fun, but not the best.


I thought the episode was a little underwhelming as well; and honestly feel, that the CW would do a much better job with SG & story, than how CBS handled Flash. Everything seem forced & contrived or convenient.

It was fun episode that captured my imagination of what could have been. Cisco would have been great with Winn...love to see those two in a pi%%ing contest. Kara & Barry did have good chemistry; however, SG & Flash really didn't gel to me. Cat was over the top & felt out of place with comedic one-liners. Like someone said...this should not have been the episode for the Jimmy/Kara love bloom. Although I understand using Barry's charm to be a catalyst; I feel it fail terribly.

The acting was subpar for CBS episode and the action, what little there really was, was not that enticing. The villains was subpar...Live wire seemed more bark than bite. Did enjoy the SB backstory...but they had to rush right through it because of time restraints. Which lead me to say, this should have been a double episode deal, to allow ample time for more character & story development. The whole episode seem rushed & proceeded too fast...and I think that's why it may have suffered & a bit underwhelming. It was not the best episode, could have been better, given the magnitude & character involved; but, it was great to see Flash with a major superhero, other than Green Arrow.

As far as timing of episode....I think it was important for CBS, the episode debut off the same weekend as a more notable team-up occuring, in the likes of Superman, Batman, & Wonder Woman. Episode being out of sequence with CW was not as important to CBS as taking advantage of the BvS release. Little disappointed that there's no sense of other common superheroes being on either of their respective Earth's.

6.5 out of 10 mainly because acting, setup, story, action, & a bit corny. Good parts no doubt Kara & Barry chemistry, i will say Barry & Winn chemistry as well, Barry's intelligence & compassion,

Agreed, it was underwhelming and dumb, it's the weakest crossover so far, unfortunately, Supergirl is not as good as the CW shows. The whole Jimmy being jealous of Barry was overdone, the acting was also a bit too cheesy, ruining part of the episode. Silver Banshee's story was rushed and Siobhan having access to where Livewire was at the DEO (first time she was there) was stupid, the DEO should be more secured than that, everything was too convenient and lazy, Barry just arrives from Earth-1 when Kara is falling and saves her, what a coincidence!

So, Cat can figure Barry is the Flash, but then can't put it together that Kara is Supergirl after Kara did her bad girl show at the same time than Supergirl did? Come on! It was a mistake to undone Cat knowing Kara's secret, it makes the character inconsistent, if she's really that smart, she should know. And the whole Myriad mind control plan is lame, Arrow and Flash's big bads have been way better than Non and company, even Smallville did a better job with their kryptonians. The best part of the episode was the great chemistry between Grant and Melissa, they were the saving grace.
 
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It wasn't as good as I'd hoped but it was still fun

The fight scenes were awful this week and I was disapointed their race at the end lasted about 10 seconds.

All in all it was so fun though and the end teaser for next week was brilliant.

8/10
 
The fight scenes were sending me down to a 7 for this episode, but that end scene FREAKED ME OUT, and I bumped it 2 points....lol
 
This was a fun episode. I wish it were a 2-parter to better flesh out the storyline. Cat's line about the CW was priceless.
 
Ok, I ship Barry and Kara. First time I watched an entire episode of Supergirl and I enjoyed it.
 
Do metas not exist in Supergirls world? Whats with everyone being so anti-meta.

Its tough to say. Technically, we have not seen a metahuman on Earth-S yet, by which I mean someone with genetic powers which aren't alien derived. Live Wire is, of course, a weird borderline case, since she got her powers from being zapped by lightning through an alien, so. . .

It seems weird that there aren't any metahumans on a world that's been comic book active for 10 years, but its also weird that we only now have our second or third superhero, too. Could just be that Earth-S's laws of physics are just a tad bit harsher on metahuman powers, so they are vanishingly unlikely to occur without being artificially induced by science well beyond what humanity yet has.
 
According to the definition of the term in the comics and as defined on The Flash, Livewire, Banshee, and Reactron are ALL Metahumans.
 
Banshee really shouldn't be a metahuman, since her powers are at least *claimed* to be magical. I mean, family line curse and all.

Reactron. . . I try not to think about him. He's probably supposed to be superhuman, but I have a hard time caring given how terrible that episode was.
 
In DC lore, as well as on The Flash, a Metahuman is any human being with super-powers, regardless of how said powers came to be. The term has also been applied to characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter, although they don't really fit the actual definition of the term given that they're not actually HUMAN.
 
They are laying the path for Brainiac 5. Its almost too obvious at this point.

-The Legion Ring
-Indigo and the Info Dump on Coluans
-Indigo and Non's relationship proving Coluans and Kryptonians are 'compatible'
-Barry setting up time travel
-Winn's comment to James about how he gets jealous over Kara's time travelling hero friend. He didn't time travel, he crossed space. Clearly a hint of the doom of James and Kara in S2 (thank god!)
They probably are setting up Brainiac 5, But Barry WAS retuning from a time traveling trip last night, they probably removed any other reference to it because The Flash episode that explains it,airs tonight AFTER the crossover.
 
Having seen tonight's Flash episode, I have to question what Greg and Andrew were talking about because there really was no setup for Barry's interdimensional trip contained in it.
 
It was a fun episode, but as a Supergirl episode it was one of the weakest of the season. For fans of the Flash coming in who had never watched this show before, they would get a false impression of what this show is like or its usual standard. It was quite atypical of how it normally is. The fights weren't very good and the scenes didn't have as much resonance as normal.

Flash and Supergirl should have worked together to take down the 2 villains. That's how this normally is with Chyler and J'onn advising Kara. Here it was the fire department who saved the day.

Also, like I said before, they should've set up Silver Banshee in the episode before instead of wasting time here.

There didn't seem enough moments of Supergirl and the Flash in action either. And the tone of this felt more like an episode of Lois and Clark with more cheesiness than usual. They should've just made a more typical Supergirl episode and inserted Barry into it. Then it would have been stronger.
 
Having seen tonight's Flash episode, I have to question what Greg and Andrew were talking about because there really was no setup for Barry's interdimensional trip contained in it.

My understanding is that the setup for the Supergirl trip is in next week's episode (April 5). I don't really understand what people are getting worked up about -- it will most likely amount to two or three lines.

As for Greg and Andrew's statement, perhaps, they simply said that the Flash setup would occur after the appearance of Supergirl and the writer of the article assumed they meant the "night after".
 
As I watch the episode:

"Last night, I helped a family assemble their IKEA table." :funny:

A free medical exam from super-power experts, and all Siobhan can do is complain. She's the type of person who, if Oprah gave her a new car, would b---- about the color. In a previous life, she was the princess who pouted and raged at the universe because Cleopatra got to be queen. Wow, she's annoying! Still hot, but amazingly annoying.

The DEO is feeling kind of like a country club, where people can just walk in. Clearly it's not, but it feels like it. I almost expect them to have a front desk. This is not a complaint, just an observation.

Siobhan is alone in a corridor, sees Livewire, and learns all she needs to know while witnessing a few seconds of conversation. Contrived, but also clever in that it accomplishes a lot and moves the story along quickly without being too unbelievable. (The guard standing behind Siobhan takes forever to step forward and usher her along. Maybe he took a few extra moments to admire the view? I would have. That's why I would make a terrible guard.)

As much as I adore the character of Cat Grant and her crazy relationship with Kara, I'm getting tired of the roller coaster. Which Cat will show up this week? Is it:

A. The Cat who loathes Kara?
B. The Cat who only wants to have a professional relationship with Kara so no one gets hurt?
C. The motherly Cat who wants to counsel Kara about her love life?
D. The Cat who refuses to eat anything but salad, skim milk, and green tea?
E. The Cat who gorges on cupcakes?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnd it's (drumroll)....C and E.

Seriously, what happened? Weren't we angry at Kara for breaking Adam's heart? Weren't we only going to be professional with each other? I get that relationships are fluid, dysfunctional, and many things are unspoken. I'm not saying it's unrealistic. It's just tiresome, like trying to keep up with a child on a sugar high, or following a car whose driver can't make up his mind which lane he wants to be in.

The cupcake conversation is uncomfortable. I'll just fast-forward through it. Ah, much better.

"Before you know it, he'll be docked in your port." Whoops. Didn't fast-forward far enough.

Siobhan is obviously having a medical problem while walking down the sidewalk. No one stops to offer help. I can only conclude one thing: the other people on the sidewalk know her.

Siobhan shows up at CatCo in an altered state, shoves Winn, and blows Kara out the window. Nicely done. Isn't this the comic-booky, superhero version of an office coworker going on a shooting rampage?

Out of all the millions of people in National City, the ex-co-worker who hates Kara just happens to be the one with supernatural powers.

That moment when you hate someone and she turns out to be Supergirl. Siobhan just can't catch a break.

Some guy in a red suit shows up. Never seen him before.

Barry takes Kara into the countryside, which was necessary for them to have a conversation alone. Plot reason: Barry is now so fast that he can't fully control his speed.

Barry starts to touch Kara's chest to put out the fire, then pulls back. Kara takes off her clothes and throws them on him. Nope. No sexual innuendo here.

At this moment, Kara is dealing with two shocking things: the attack from Siobhan and the existence of the Flash. She leaves Barry immediately to go back to CatCo to make sure everyone else is safe, which is the correct decision. So why change her mind seconds later and go back down to have a conversation with Barry? For all she knows, Cat is falling to her death at that very moment, but Kara stops to chat. (If she used her supervision to see that everyone was okay, that would have been much better, more in character, and would only have taken an extra three seconds. #Storytelling)

It is a fun conversation, though. "The who, now?"

Barry has no reason to know whether Supergirl is a hero or a villain, although she seems nice and her suit looks really heroic. He assumes right away that she's someone he can ask for help. I'm mostly good with it, but the writer in me wants this addressed, even if it's indirectly.

And this is where the episode becomes an old-fashioned comic book – not that that's a bad thing. Barry meets Kara and the team (and lets set aside James's jealousy for the moment). Excitement. Mushiness. Instant trust. It's a refreshing change from the horrendous let's-be-superheroes-who-fight-each-other trope, but it's the opposite extreme. This is just fun marshmallow hooey for the viewers to fangeek over. And it's probably what most of the viewers wanted.

"Been there. It sucks." :funny:

Melissa Benoist reacting to the ice cream cone in her hand: "Yes!" She. Is. Adorable! :ilv: Just mail her the Emmy now. Seriously.

"Kira. You're alive." :funny:

Cat's comment about a CW show, then her comment about the Flash's name. :funny:

Watching this conversation again, I'm even more convinced that Cat knows Kara is Supergirl.

More awkward love advice from Cat to Kara.

"The curse is triggered when someone wrongs you." Siobhan has made it to what looks like her late 20s without anyone wronging her before? Good grief, what kind of sheltered life has she led?

Siobhan and her aunt just talk about killing people like they're discussing what they had for breakfast. What a lovely family.

Siobhan doesn't seem too upset over the prospect of losing her soul.

Looking at Livewire's cell, let's ask the question which has bugged all of us all season long: How does a DEO prisoner use the bathroom?

Bernie Sanders and hot yoga. I don't get it.

"National City may have lost faith in Supergirl, but I haven't. And you shouldn't either." Yes. The look Cat gives Kara seals it for me. I'll freely admit it if I'm wrong, but Cat knows Kara is Supergirl.

"And once they're both back in custody, I promise that we will do everything in our power to get you back home." They're already doing everything in their power to get Barry back home, so that's an odd promise.

What's the empty warehouse Livewire goes to, where Siobhan is expecting her? Is that the place Livewire and Cat arranged to meet in the earlier episode? I don't recognize it. And why doesn't Livewire go straight to CatCo after getting out?

James's jealousy, and his constant denial, is a drag. But the conversation in which he and Lucy lay things to rest is kind of nice.

Barry really should have known better than to try a lightning attack on a creature of living electricity. But it was fun to see.

"Meet Silver Banshee." Dramatic appearance by Silver Banshee. So very comic-booky. Kind of cringeworthy. But this episode has already claimed that territory and claimed it with pride. Comic-booky is what everyone wanted and it's what we've got. It ain't Shakespeare, but it's fun.

The obligatory conversation in which Barry gives Kara advice. Predictable, but nice.

Cat calls Winn by his actual name! Amazing!

I had to Google "Norma Rae," so now I get the joke. Cute.

I'll say one thing for Cat – being in mortal danger only makes her up the attitude. I love the weary look on Livewire's face: I've made a dramatic entrance and she knows I want to kill her, and she still won't shut up!

Winn's attempt to stop Siobhan is good, but that scene desperately needs some cutaway shots of Cat and Livewire watching them! I'm dying to see the looks on their faces. Livewire was probably rolling her eyes, and there were so many ways Calista could have played that scene. Those looks would have spoken volumes about their characters. Big wasted opportunity.

Siobhan says to Winn, "I'm good as is." Those are the same words Livewire said to Supergirl the first time they fought.

"Hello, Red & Blue." Livewire is such a fun villain. Her evil cackle is great!

There's not really much of a plot reason for Livewire to keep Cat alive. She could go after Supergirl later any time.

Love the dramatic two-shot of Supergirl flying and the Flash running.

On the one hand, Cat's begging shows that she is vulnerable after all, and the fact that she cares about her boys more than herself is absolutely on target with her character. On the other hand, her begging is jarring since it differs so dramatically from the superior attitude she had earlier. I'm not sure what to make of that. It didn't feel right, somehow.

For a few seconds, Livewire looks sympathetic and genuinely moved by Cat's words. Brit Morgan produces a really beautiful moment there, acting through the make-up. Nicely done.

"Let's settle this like women. What? There's more of you guys here than me." A great line, showing that real men aren't afraid of acknowledging and respecting strong women.

I want to chastise all the people of National City who stand there and watch a superfight like a bunch of dipwads instead of running to safety, but I would totally do the same thing.

"What took you so long?" Cat is just super cool. Supergirl throws Cat off a balcony; Siobhan blows Kara out a window; Cat's handcuffed to a park bench. Whatever. It's all good. Bring me a latte.

Siobhan has super strength? Didn't see that coming, but that makes her more interesting.

Supergirl is standing directly in front of Cat when Siobhan spins Supergirl around and decks her. But when they cut to the long-distance shot, Cat and the bench are nowhere in sight.

Livewire defeats Barry, then just leaves him there unharmed? I guess she was eager to get back to fighting Supergirl.

"I hate helicopters!" :funny:

I love the townspeople's reactions when they realize what Supergirl is doing for them (because I'm a sentimental old fussbudget and I want them to love Supergirl). What I don't love is the fact that the director felt he needed a bunch of dialogue (voiceover dialogue, no less) from the townspeople to reinforce what's happening. Remove the dialogue, let the looks on the people's faces and their actions tell the story by themselves, and this scene becomes so much more powerful! This is a major disappointment. It's the typical Hollywood style of assuming the audience is stupid and bashing them over the head with the story. For me, it ruins what would have been a beautiful scene. :wall:

Before I watched the episode, I said to myself, "Well, they won't use water a second time to defeat Livewire. They'll want to do something new. I wonder how they'll do it." Boy, I got that wrong – but I'm so glad I did! I love the firemen saving Supergirl, just like she saved them! Way to go, writers! Restore my faith in your storytelling abilities! That was brilliant, and beautifully sentimental! I love the way this scene shows that members of a community can come together and care – which does happen in real life. Pardon me, I think I'm gonna cry for a moment.

Okay. I'm back.

Siobhan accidentally gets taken out by Livewire's electricity. That's awfully convenient, but she would have been quickly defeated on her own, anyway, so it's no biggie.

"Thanks to Barry, the National City Police Department has a way to lock up metahumans." Um...okay. That takes serious money and time to build that kind of equipment, but he just jury-rigged something in a jiffy? Eh.

What stops Livewire or Silver Banshee from telling the whole world where the DEO is? (For that matter, what stops Indigo from telling Non where the DEO is? Indigo and Livewire have both been there electronically.)

Cat claims she knew Barry was the Flash all along, then boasts to Kara how she can spot the extraordinary pretending to be a nobody. Oh, man. More teasing. The writers are setting up something incredible between Kara and Cat in the final two episodes. I can't wait to see what they do!

That was not a race. But Kara and Barry's final conversation is sweet. We even get a super hug!

Kara and James are finally about to get their act together, despite the fact that Kara is more awkward than a 7th-grader at a school dance. But then James turns into a zombie. For a few moments, I seriously thought they were doing the superkiss mind-wipe thing. But no, it's a cliffhanger!

It was so fun to see Livewire back. She and Silver Banshee make a great team. If this show lasts for a long time, I hope these two make a comeback, perhaps even have a bitter breakup, then get back together again, like a dysfunctional couple. There's a lot of potential there.

The Flash's presence was fun. It was a way for the writers, the actors, and the fans to geek out, and most of us had a great time. The story was what it needed to be to fit Barry's presence into National City for a day. But if we're talking only about narrative, the Flash did absolutely nothing. All the techno-wizardry he did could have been done by Winn; he didn't advance the storyline in any way another character couldn't have; and he was a non-factor in both battles. The camaraderie and sentimentality between Kara and Barry was for the viewers, and I mostly liked it, but it was a little too much for me because they only knew each other for a day.

More than anything, this episode was a one-off fun diversion. Hardly anything had to do with the season story arc. It was nice, but I wouldn't want every episode to be like this.

Chyler Leigh and Dave Harewood were completely absent from the episode. :( I guess that will make their return all the more dramatic.

I give it 8 out of 10.
 
My understanding is that the setup for the Supergirl trip is in next week's episode (April 5). I don't really understand what people are getting worked up about -- it will most likely amount to two or three lines.

As for Greg and Andrew's statement, perhaps, they simply said that the Flash setup would occur after the appearance of Supergirl and the writer of the article assumed they meant the "night after".

There IS no episode of The Flash next week.

Also, Greg and Andrew were not ambiguous in what they said.... at all.

We were promised setup for "Worlds Finest" in "Flash Back" and didn't get it, and I want to know why.
 
There IS no episode of The Flash next week.

Also, Greg and Andrew were not ambiguous in what they said.... at all.

We were promised setup for "Worlds Finest" in "Flash Back" and didn't get it, and I want to know why.

Okay, I thought I saw the April 5th thing somewhere. Obviously I was wrong.

Hell, maybe the setup is simply getting the information from Thawne-Wells on the tachyon enhancer -- which is probably what Barry was wearing in the Supergirl episode. Then, in the April 19th episode, we might simply see them running tests using the tachyon enhancer and Barry will mention in passing "Well, at least it seems to be working correctly now. I'm no longer accidentally jumping universes. But I did get to meet a super girl, though." And I'll honestly be surprised if there's more than that. I just can't see them wasting much time on something that has little to do with the story they're telling on season 2 of the Flash.
 
Okay, I thought I saw the April 5th thing somewhere. Obviously I was wrong.

Hell, maybe the setup is simply getting the information from Thawne-Wells on the tachyon enhancer -- which is probably what Barry was wearing in the Supergirl episode. Then, in the April 19th episode, we might simply see them running tests using the tachyon enhancer and Barry will mention in passing "Well, at least it seems to be working correctly now. I'm no longer accidentally jumping universes. But I did get to meet a super girl, though." And I'll honestly be surprised if there's more than that. I just can't see them wasting much time on something that has little to do with the story they're telling on season 2 of the Flash.
the set up is when he head's towards or back from earth 2 there;s some detour there.

Your right on point with the tachyon enhancer harness on barrys chest but that's being used as a way to open the gate way for reality travel ala sliders remote control device to travel the multiverse.

as to digi fic's issue with the set up. it's more to do with the networks producers scheduling of the shows then the show runners. they set up when the show's air and they have a schedule's to keep with event like the grammys etc and when the shows take breakes, that's how the cw and cbs work. The show runners of the flash and super girl only control the shows them selves his issue is with the net work runners of cbs and cw.

Wish him luck with that.
 
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Ok I'm confused what was supposed to happen exactly?
 
Its tough to say. Technically, we have not seen a metahuman on Earth-S yet, by which I mean someone with genetic powers which aren't alien derived. Live Wire is, of course, a weird borderline case, since she got her powers from being zapped by lightning through an alien, so. . .

It seems weird that there aren't any metahumans on a world that's been comic book active for 10 years, but its also weird that we only now have our second or third superhero, too. Could just be that Earth-S's laws of physics are just a tad bit harsher on metahuman powers, so they are vanishingly unlikely to occur without being artificially induced by science well beyond what humanity yet has.


Remember they said ReActorn is still human and he had nuclear powers when super girl asked her sister if he was alien. Alex said he was still human after the blurred superman saved her. So no there's more then live wire. there are others, they just haven't named those humans with powers via weird accidents a name yet with in the show. we know just they they exist though.
 
Greg and Andrew did a couple of interviews to promote "Worlds Finest" in which they said that "Flash Back" would provide contextual setup for Barry's trip to SG-Earth and explain why he was wearing the tachyon emitter, and yet none of that stuff happened.

It's bad form to promise something in a specific episode and then not deliver on said promise.
 

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