Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 56

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A lot of people, such as myself, genuinely liked Venom.

The CGI wasn't as impressive as in some other movies, but the character work for the lead was nice. He was a relatable guy and not a god.
I liked it too, and can enjoy it despite it being a bad movie.

You can’t blame the MCU for that though. I mean, there are always going to be studios and filmmakers that try to emulate the success of something good, and having no clue how any of it works. Look how many wannabe Scorseses and Coppolas and Tarantinos there are. But we can’t blame them just because some hack thought he could copy them.
The problem isn't that they exist, or the copycats, it's how much people pay to sit through multiple viewings of a single MCU movie or a Disney Star Wars one compared to stuff from the likes of Tarantino, Scorsese, and Coppola.
Comparatively, James Cameron made multibillion dollar entries, but his work doesn't come out once or twice a year.

This year alone Disney released four billion dollar movies with one of them hitting nearly $3 billion, a 5th movie is attached to two of the movies they released, and Star Wars has the potential to be another $1 billion raker.


Damn straight. Disney won't even greenlight a Jordan Peele directed Gargoyles movie because it's too risky and doesn't fit into their live-action fairy tale, Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars slots...

Jordan Peele Reportedly Wants to Direct a 'Gargoyles' Movie at Disney
At this point they should trust both him and this kind of franchise.
 
For me it's more about getting out of comfort zone. It's the main reason I lost any interest with MCU.

I haven't quite lost interest in the MCU yet, but I am slowly going that way. Infinity War made me excited again, then Endgame disappointed me and I just don't find myself as excited anymore.
 
I get that these directors are frustrated with Disney/Marvel controlling most of the market share, but I don't think its fair to be mad at them for being successful. Consumers taste change, and the film industry is going to change along with it.

Facts is, cinema is going out of business. Most people will rather wait for streaming and only go to the cinema to watch blockbusters. It's already affecting the music industry more than the movie industry. Album Sales is embarrassing, If an artist is not a big touring artist, they are in trouble. I blame technology and rise in ticket prices more than I blame Disney. Disney have figured out a way to retain most of their audience, but they are still loosing them like the rest.

If you think Disney is limiting the other movies from making more money by having more theatres available to them, you only have to look at the per theater average of the other movies. People are not showing up in droves to watch most of them. Disney, Marvel, Superhero movies and other blockbusters are the ones still keeping theatres in business. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that even if Disney didn't release any movie this year, the others still won't do significantly more than they did. Audience trust them to give them a good time at the theatre, others should find away to get the audience interested in their movies rather than blaming Marvel. Us came out three weeks after Captain Marvel and it was a hit, if the audience like your movie they will come.

Anyways, Marvel and Feige should take these criticism as a compliment, If they were not successful noboby would even talk about them. They are the biggest game in town, Scorsese has opened the floodgates, more people are going to be coming for them. Even Jennifer Aniston has weighed in lol.
 
People aren't interested in paying $50+ to take their family to the show on Saturday night when they can wait six months and pay $10/month to watch Netflix on their 4K tvs at home whenever they want. And not have to deal with minimum wage workers, loud mouthed teenagers, crying babies, and the like in the process.
Bingo

I couldn't imagine having a full family and having to take them to a movie. It just sounds terrible. As you said it's like 50 bucks for a family of 4. On top of that if you live in a city you have to pay for parking
 
And yet, one cant deny that thanks to Marvel, going to the movies has become something of a sporting event. We all have had bad movie theater experiences but there is something about seeing a highly anticipated event movie with a crowd thats just as enthused as you are. I mean, the crowds everywhere reacted to the “Portals” scene in Endgame...thats the kind of stuff you hear about stadium crowds in Madison Square Garden for Celine Dion or Phil Collins or something. What other movies give that kind of rise or reaction out of a movie crowd? Gotta give em props for that.
 
And yet, one cant deny that thanks to Marvel, going to the movies has become something of a sporting event. We all have had bad movie theater experiences but there is something about seeing a highly anticipated event movie with a crowd thats just as enthused as you are. I mean, the crowds everywhere reacted to the “Portals” scene in Endgame...thats the kind of stuff you hear about stadium crowds in Madison Square Garden for Celine Dion or Phil Collins or something. What other movies give that kind of rise or reaction out of a movie crowd? Gotta give em props for that.
I mean...its not like Marvel invented that. That's been going on for years, so I don't know why specifically give them props for that.
 
Of course they didnt invent it, the point I was trying to make is this is the reaction i see consistently in their films which is bringing mass audiences to the theater. An earlier post suggested cinema was dying and no one wants to go to the theater anymore and I think Marvel Studios is bucking that trend. Theyre making people want to go to the movies.
 
I haven't quite lost interest in the MCU yet, but I am slowly going that way. Infinity War made me excited again, then Endgame disappointed me and I just don't find myself as excited anymore.
For me it happened earlier. Somewhere between Doctor Strange or Civil War. Disney just settled for what works and the idea of bringing many super-heroes together just lost it's freshness after CW. Anyway, there's no progress or element of surprise anymore. Only Joker was a pleasant surprise and a breath of fresh air.
 
Of course they didnt invent it, the point I was trying to make is this is the reaction i see consistently in their films which is bringing mass audiences to the theater. An earlier post suggested cinema was dying and no one wants to go to the theater anymore and I think Marvel Studios is bucking that trend. Theyre making people want to go to the movies.

James Cameron had the same concerns and thus was pleased with Endgame's success because it bodes well for his blockbusters:
“Avengers: Endgame is demonstrable proof that people will still go to movie theaters. The thing that scared me most about making Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 was that the market might have shifted so much that it simply was no longer possible to get people that excited about going and sitting in a dark room with a bunch of strangers to watch something.”

“Will Avatar 2 and 3 be able to create that kind of success in the zeitgeist? Who knows. We’re trying. Maybe we do, maybe we don’t, but the point is, it’s still possible. I’m happy to see it, as opposed to an alternate scenario where, with the rapid availability, a custom-designed experience that everybody can create for themselves with streaming services and all the different platforms, that [theatrical potential] might not have existed anymore.”
 
Of course they didnt invent it, the point I was trying to make is this is the reaction i see consistently in their films which is bringing mass audiences to the theater. An earlier post suggested cinema was dying and no one wants to go to the theater anymore and I think Marvel Studios is bucking that trend. Theyre making people want to go to the movies.
Well you said "thanks to Marvel" when there have been plenty of non Marvel movies and even some TV shows that have had that same huge reaction that I was saying. If you were making another point, it wasn't clear in the post I initially quoted :shrug:
 
In other news, they're saying Joker might break $900 mill. Which is insane
 
I haven't quite lost interest in the MCU yet, but I am slowly going that way. Infinity War made me excited again, then Endgame disappointed me and I just don't find myself as excited anymore.

Endgame is certainly a decent jumping off point for someone looking to get out of the costumed adventurer biz and rekindle their graduate school obsession with French New Wave cinema. But other than Black Widow, the stuff in the Marvel Studios pipeline looks interesting.

Strange 2 might should deliver the horror film we should have gotten back in 2016. Shang Chi could be a big deal on a cultural level. And I have no frikkin' idea what they are doing with Eternals. On Disney Plus, Falcon and the Winter Soldier has a lot of potential. And if Jac Shaeffer can translate the unsettling atmosphere from Tom King's Vision to the small screen, that should be both All New AND All Different.

I don't know if I'm going to be as excited for a decade of Marvel that doesn't have precious gems combining into a MegaMacGuffin. But Feige and company have earned my trust and will keep getting my entertainment dollars for the forseeable future. .
 
Endgame is certainly a decent jumping off point for someone looking to get out of the costumed adventurer biz and rekindle their graduate school obsession with French New Wave cinema. But other than Black Widow, the stuff in the Marvel Studios pipeline looks interesting.

Strange 2 might should deliver the horror film we should have gotten back in 2016. Shang Chi could be a big deal on a cultural level. And I have no frikkin' idea what they are doing with Eternals. On Disney Plus, Falcon and the Winter Soldier has a lot of potential. And if Jac Shaeffer can translate the unsettling atmosphere from Tom King's Vision to the small screen, that should be both All New AND All Different.

I don't know if I'm going to be as excited for a decade of Marvel that doesn't have precious gems combining into a MegaMacGuffin. But Feige and company have earned my trust and will keep getting my entertainment dollars for the forseeable future. .

I haven't jumped off just yet. But Endgame disappointed me quite a bit so I am cautious about getting excited for anything else. Doc Strange 2 would excite me if it wasn't by the same director that gave us the bland first movie. Blade and BP2 excite me a little. I have also recently read Gaimans Eternals run and if the movie is like that it could be something special. At this point though, I just wish Marvel would change things up a bit. And I thought IW was the start of that. But the choices made in Endgame mostly just felt safe to me, and at this point I don't see Marvel changing. I think I will just go on reviews for future MCU movies now.
 
The only reason I got to see Marvel movies in the theaters is because I know that if I don't it will be spoiled all to hell by the time it reaches streaming. And so I can talk about them on here.

I used to go to the theater every week. Now I go 3 or 4 times a year.
 


"If the story doesn’t call for it…it’s a waste of everybody's time," said 'The Irishman' helmer about the discussion of showcasing roles for women in his films.
Martin Scorsese presented his new film The Irishman at the Rome Film Fest on Monday along with producer Emma Tillinger Koskoff as the festival’s centerpiece event. The film, which details one of the most famous mob hits in history, that of Jimmy Hoffa, stars Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and Joe Pesci.

Scorsese described The Irishman as a film about “mortality and the unraveling of a life,” and “the immediate human experience” that he hopes anyone could relate to.

The director also continued his tour of widely publicized comments in criticizing theaters for throwing most of their weight behind Marvel and DC films. “The key that I’m hoping for is for theaters to continue to support narrative cinema of this kind,” said Scorsese, naming off other filmmakers including Noah Baumbach, Wes Anderson and Paul Thomas Anderson.

He continued to criticize what is now viewed as cinema, and went further in lamenting how young people today experience life and understand (or fail to understand) the consequences of history.

His main wish, he clarified, is that “the theaters support the films. But right now the theaters seem to be mainly supporting the theme park, amusement park, comic book films. They’re taking over the theaters. I think they can have those films; it’s fine. It’s just that that shouldn’t become what our young people believe is cinema. It just shouldn’t.”

Scorsese said it’s “quite sad” that the life of Jimmy Hoffa is largely unknown today. “As well known as he was, time just wiped him away,” he said.

“This is the world we live in. Our children are, I don’t know what they’re doing with those devices. They perceive reality differently. They perceive even the concept of what history is supposed to be [differently],” continued the director.

“How are they going to know about WWII? How are they going to know about Vietnam? What do they think of Afghanistan? What do they think of all of this? They’re perceiving it in bits and pieces. There seems to be no continuity of history.”

A member of the Italian press also asked Scorsese why his films’ protagonists are mainly men, showing few interesting female stories. The Hollywood Reporter's review of the film called The Irishman “very much a movie about middle-aged men, and you miss the electric female energy of great roles that Scorsese shaped for Lorraine Bracco, Cathy Moriarty and Sharon Stone, among others.”

A somewhat frustrated Scorsese immediately shot down the journalist's question. “No. That’s not even a valid point. That’s not valid. I can't…. That goes back to 1970. That’s a question that I’ve had for so many years. Am I supposed to?”

“No,” chimed in Koskoff.

“If the story doesn’t call for it…. It’s a waste of everybody’s time. If the story calls for a female character lead, why not?”

“Alice Doesn’t Live Here,” chimed in Koskoff again.

“Oh, that’s only one film. They don’t count that. Age of Innocence, they don’t count that,” said Scorsese.

“Casino,” said Koskoff.

“Casino. Sharon Stone’s great in that. They don’t count that. Forget it,” said Scorsese. “‘It’s all these men,’” he continued, implying he was being unfairly targeted, which prompted larger applause from the Italian press.

“Sure, I’d like to do,” said Scorsese. “But you know what, I’m 76 now. How am I going to have the time? I don’t know what’s going to happen. We don't know. I don’t have time anymore.”
 
The only reason I got to see Marvel movies in the theaters is because I know that if I don't it will be spoiled all to hell by the time it reaches streaming. And so I can talk about them on here.

I used to go to the theater every week. Now I go 3 or 4 times a year.
Not gonna lie that's at least 60% why I still go see blockbusters in theaters. Most blockbusters nowadays you don't miss anything by not seeing it theaters (as long as you have a decent TV at home). But I don't want to be spoiled
 
His main wish, he clarified, is that “the theaters support the films. But right now the theaters seem to be mainly supporting the theme park, amusement park, comic book films. They’re taking over the theaters. I think they can have those films; it’s fine. It’s just that that shouldn’t become what our young people believe is cinema. It just shouldn’t.”

Scorsese said it’s “quite sad” that the life of Jimmy Hoffa is largely unknown today. “As well known as he was, time just wiped him away,” he said.

“This is the world we live in. Our children are, I don’t know what they’re doing with those devices. They perceive reality differently. They perceive even the concept of what history is supposed to be [differently],” continued the director.

“How are they going to know about WWII? How are they going to know about Vietnam? What do they think of Afghanistan? What do they think of all of this? They’re perceiving it in bits and pieces. There seems to be no continuity of history.”

This is more a statement about technology, society, education etc.

When you have someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s who lived on reruns, and shows across three channels where a Summer didn't have a different big release every weekend. Now we have shows across not just the original 3 channels and Fox and CW, but cable channels, and streaming networks and even youtube. Movies are now spilling over into the Holidays, and other months.

The information age has changed the way we seek entertainment. There were generations who were probably raised on shows like Gilligan's Island, Looney Tunes and now it's just different .

My point is CBM isn't a cause of that and that's because since the 80s "theme/amusement park" movies have been around. Are you telling me that Scorsese doesn't include Return of the Jedi, Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Batman as those type of movies?
 
I don't think the internet has to do with Disney flooding the movie market every 3 weeks. In addition to them using their box office dominance to bully movie theaters.
 
My interest in the MCU was chiefly tied to Captain America, and to a lesser extent Iron Man. With those two finished, I can't say I care much about the whole thing.

Of the newcomers, I can't stand Iron Man Jr, have no interest in Captain Marvel, and feel indifferent about Dr. Strange. I really like Black Panther though, and that franchise is the only one I look forward to. I'm sure Thor LAT will be fun as well.

I have low expectations for everything else coming up and will probably skip most of it. Sitting through CM made me rethink watching everything the MCU puts out. And FFH definitely sealed the deal.

Right now, it looks like I got lucky with the Russos because outside of them Marvel is very meh.
 
The CBM, I'm more interested now is GOTG3, followed by Thor 4 & Doctor Strange 2 and that's just on announcements.
 
I'm of the crowd that started to lost interest around Civil War. The formula works for many people, and I'm aware of that, but as a lifelong comic book fan, it's sad but true for me to say the MCU formula has become stale. Endgame was it for me, and I have little to no interest in the MCU going forward. Everything always feels the same, and most recently when I saw Far From Home, I realized that while people love all of that, and it does work, I'm not feeling it anymore.
 
Hate to argue semantics but....

2019 Market Share and Box Office Results by Movie Studio

I don't think Malificent is on that list and obviously Frozen 2 & Star Wars has to come out, but that's 10 movies so less than a movie a month. Last year Disney had 10 movies and the year before that it was 8.

Yeah, the Mouse has almost always released fewer films than the other major studios. And that number has decreased since Disney evolved into a Tentpole model for film production.

The difference, to reference your post about how the movie going experience has changed, is that the limited entertainment options available to a fella growing up in the late 70s to early 80s meant there was more room for different types of films in theaters. Por ejemplo, a friend and I watched The World According to Garp on the big screen during the summer of 82 after we both had already watched ET, Rocky III and Wrath of Khan. Would today's teens take a chance on an odd, serious and disturbing flick like that nowadays? Even if they were big Mork fans, as I was?
 
MCU interest comes and goes for me. At this point, I feel pretty comfortable with a couple of franchises and TV shows to look forward to. I'll be in the theater for Spider-Man, Thor, Black Panther and Captain Marvel, pass on Dr. Strange, Guardians, Ant-Man and Black Widow, and we'll see about the new ones. I generally prefer characters more or less off on their own because, unlike with Avengers movies, I don't have to sift through a half a dozen characters I don't care about to get to the ones I do.
 
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