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Superman (2025) Teaser Trailer Reaction Thread

First of all...since when is R2D2 not a character? Speech has nothing to do with it plenty of characters have some sort of arch without massive exposition dumps. Wilson the Ball is a character in Castaway and he never says a word.

Second, you are making a ton of assumptions based on literally nothing. You dont have to like Krypto, but you have zero idea what his purpose in the film is or whether he is "forced" or not.

Why would you even want Krypto to have an arch? He's a dog.... are we here to watch the character growth of a dog? No. He's a plot device. He exists to make the plot go from point A to point B. And like many such 'characters' in other work, that can be done relatively well. He'll be cute; he'll be funny. Those aren't my criticisms though.

This is a forum to discuss upcoming movies. Forgive me for speculating on what I've seen thus far.
 
How are we making a negative comparison to Krypto to Chewbacca/R2... These are very much loved characters that speak no english.
Many many loved 'characters.' Indeed.

But like a lot of those 'characters,' he's really more a setup for a punchline more than anything. Krypto will fly around, he'll smile, he'll bark happily and maybe even go after a robber or a mailman or something like that. And we'll all say, "I love that cute, funny flying dog. He saved the hero this way or that way."

I'm just saying, that's not the movie I personally would have preferred. That sounds outlandish and childish to me. Does that mean I'm out of touch with the IP? Maybe.. I dunno. I'm a grown up who likes grown up stuff that also likes comic books. I wish I could put them together, but I don't get what I want most of the time.
 
Why would you even want Krypto to have an arch? He's a dog.... are we here to watch the character growth of a dog?
Because arcs provide depth…? And if it’s done well, then yes, I have zero issue watching the growth of a character.

Many many loved 'characters.' Indeed.

But like a lot of those 'characters,' he's really more a setup for a punchline more than anything. Krypto will fly around, he'll smile, he'll bark happily and maybe even go after a robber or a mailman or something like that. And we'll all say, "I love that cute, funny flying dog. He saved the hero this way or that way."

I'm just saying, that's not the movie I personally would have preferred. That sounds outlandish and childish to me. Does that mean I'm out of touch with the IP? Maybe.. I dunno. I'm a grown up who likes grown up stuff that also likes comic books. I wish I could put them together, but I don't get what I want most of the time.
Again, you’re speaking absolutes after 3 seconds of footage. But you do you. Kinda sounds like Man of Steel/BvS/JL are more your speed, which is fine. A lot of us are here to see more comic-booky adaptations and more out there characters.
 
Because arcs provide depth…? And if it’s done well, then yes, I have zero issue watching the growth of a character.
What kind of character growth are you expecting, exactly?

Again, you’re speaking absolutes after 3 seconds of footage. But you do you. Kinda sounds like Man of Steel/BvS/JL are more your speed, which is fine. A lot of us are here to see more comic-booky adaptations and more out there characters.
It's a fine line no doubt, but it is there absolutely. Too much detachment from reality, and it's hard to build suspense. Too much attachment to reality, and it becomes a monotonous slaug. But yes, I really would like to see a Superman movie that grapples with adult themes and situations. That'd be my preference.

I will say though... you say I'm speaking in absolutes, but the passage of mine you quoted, has me literally saying things like "personally" and "preferred" and "sounds." I was going out of my way to say this is all my subjective experience.
 
What kind of character growth are you expecting, exactly?

Gunn has already talked about how Krypto is modeled after his own dog, in that he's a bit unruly and problematic. You could absolutely have an arc that shows Krypto gaining more and more trust with Clark while strengthening their bond. In a lot of ways, Krypto's journey for acceptance could mirror Clark's.
I will say though... you say I'm speaking in absolutes, but the passage of mine you quoted, has me literally saying things like "personally" and "preferred" and "sounds." I was going out of my way to say this is all my subjective experience.

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But like a lot of those 'characters,' he's really more a setup for a punchline more than anything. Krypto will fly around, he'll smile, he'll bark happily and maybe even go after a robber or a mailman or something like that. And we'll all say, "I love that cute, funny flying dog. He saved the hero this way or that way."
 
He's a dog. Unless he's speaking, I highly doubt he can be considered a character. He's as much a character as R2 is a character. Krypto doesn't have wishes, hopes, and wants more than to serve the protagonist, and as such, I'd consider him a plot device.

Have you ever had a dog? Genuinely curious 🤔

This really is pretty ridiculous. Can you think of another movie where a nonspeaking supporting character grows and mature? What's Krypto's main character flaw going to be? That he bites too much? Silly. What kind of growth are you expecting, exactly?

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I could inundate this thread with a plethora of examples, but here's a recent one. The dog in this movie 100% grows - he goes from an unruly, easily distractable and chaotic dog, into a well trained and ultimately heroic one.

I'm fully expecting a similar arc for Krypto.
 
Lots of people, myself included, have had very emotional journeys and growth with dogs. They are sentient beings with feelings and unique personalities and form substantial relationships with humans and other animals. Acting like they can’t be anything more than a plot device is…weird.
 
The unruly Krypto finally proving himself to be a good boy by saving Supes (proving Clark right about the importance of "kindness" and patience) is gonna be the emotional turning point in the third act.

And as much as I hate to say it, Krypto being harmed or killed by Lex would raise the dramatic stakes considerably.
 
Because arcs provide depth…? And if it’s done well, then yes, I have zero issue watching the growth of a character.


Again, you’re speaking absolutes after 3 seconds of footage. But you do you. Kinda sounds like Man of Steel/BvS/JL are more your speed, which is fine. A lot of us are here to see more comic-booky adaptations and more out there characters.

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Have you ever had a dog? Genuinely curious 🤔



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I could inundate this thread with a plethora of examples, but here's a recent one. The dog in this movie 100% grows - he goes from an unruly, easily distractable and chaotic dog, into a well trained and ultimately heroic one.

I'm fully expecting a similar arc for Krypto.

Wait, I don't remember there being an episode of "The Flash" where Barry was saved by a dog. What else have I missed?
 

IMAX version of the trailer in 4K, featuring additional shots of Lex Luthor and Mr. Terrific​


The extra Luther and Terrific shots make the trailer even better. Luther walking with Ultraman and the Engineer is total Boss Luther. Mr. Terrific with the concerned serious look under the T mask works as well.
 
This line never did make sense to me and made me think Jedis just lack the self confidence to get things done.
I am not what you would call a "prequel apologist," but care to elaborate what about this line doesn't make sense in particular?
 
Gunn has already talked about how Krypto is modeled after his own dog, in that he's a bit unruly and problematic. You could absolutely have an arc that shows Krypto gaining more and more trust with Clark while strengthening their bond. In a lot of ways, Krypto's journey for acceptance could mirror Clark's.


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Ugh, that sounds horrible. Again, has Krypto been his dog the whole time? Or has he been in hiding too? How did Clark stop a super flying puppy from being noticed when it was young? Is this a longer living super dog? Like... has he been alive as long as Clark? If not, how on Earth did the dog get here? This sounds as clearly as possible to be a plot device as you get! Here, you're basically saying, "well the dog's change in confidence and acceptance will reflect Superman's." That makes him a plot device. Lassy really wasn't a character... it was a fictional being that kept the plot moving forward. The same will be true here. The story is about Superman. Krypto... at best... will help audiences to understand Superman better. At best, that's what Krypto can be.

Have you ever had a dog? Genuinely curious 🤔
I love dogs. Are you seriously suggesting that one must have a dog to appreciate that a flying, super smart, super long living dog is reasonable? I like cats too, have you considered a super cat? I grew up on an emu ranch actually... what about flying emus? Makes sense right? Krypton is just a copy of Earth... I guess..... yeah?

I could inundate this thread with a plethora of examples, but here's a recent one. The dog in this movie 100% grows - he goes from an unruly, easily distractable and chaotic dog, into a well trained and ultimately heroic one.

I'm fully expecting a similar arc for Krypto.

Right, because that's really the only option available for a dog when it comes to 'character' growth. It starts out unruly, and becomes ruly. It starts out suspicious of its owner, and by the end, it accepts its owner as a friend.
Now.. 1) just because the dog undergoes change, doesn't make it character growth. Like, R2D2 got rocket packs in ROTS. Does that mean he grew up from TPM? It feels imperceptible if it does.
2) that's predictable, and again... really more in service of moving the plot forward than in developing Krypto's personality. I really don't know why you folks want to insist that Krypto is going to be a character. You can inundate this thread with lots of examples like this where the dog is literally the centerpiece of the film, sure. It drives the plot (otherwise known as a *cough* plot device *cough), but the idea that Krypto will somehow be this supporting character that grows in the way a dog would, really does seem silly.

And that's my point. It's not that it can't be done. But if it gets too cartoonish (which this concept easily could), then you risk exposing the edifice of the movie to the audience, forcing them to disengage.

Lots of people, myself included, have had very emotional journeys and growth with dogs. They are sentient beings with feelings and unique personalities and form substantial relationships with humans and other animals. Acting like they can’t be anything more than a plot device is…weird.
Not really. I love dogs too, and sure... they're sentient in that they react to stimulus, but not much more than that. They show affection, they protect when necessary... they react to the things around them. A dog isn't going to go off from home and pursue its dreams or sacrifice its future for it's belief of what's right.
These dogs that you've loved.... they've mostly been an accessory to you and your family I'd imagine.... an ally to you; it goes where you go, it behaves how you want it to behave. That's not a character... that's a plot device. The dog is an accessory to your life. What exactly is the problem with that?
 
These dogs that you've loved.... they've mostly been an accessory to you and your family I'd imagine.... an ally to you; it goes where you go, it behaves how you want it to behave. That's not a character... that's a plot device. The dog is an accessory to your life. What exactly is the problem with that?

Yeah we have a fundamentally different view of dogs/animals. Im gonna leave it there.
 
I have certainly bought some Superman stuff on Amazon/Comixology.
Nice - if you've any recommendations, let me know!

So far, I've read...
  • For All Seasons
  • For Tomorrow
  • All-Star Superman
  • Brainiac (Geoff Johns)
  • Superman: Unchained
  • The Last Son
  • The Death and Return of Superman
  • Superman: Red & Blue
I'm waiting on the deluxe edition of Up in the Sky that comes out in May, before I read that one.
 
Has this film sent anyone into a Superman-reading marathon, besides me?
Haha yes. I've read the ones you mentioned, but have been catching up with modern comics runs. Also thinking about checking out something from each of the other heroes for context.

P.S. Highly recommend Birthright, Up Up & Away & Superman Smashes the Klan. Oh and Warworld.
 
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Well, somebody clearly didn't watch DC League of Super-Pets... ;)
Hehe, let's just say I'm hoping for a movie that's a rung above the Super-Pets movie. One can hope.

Yeah we have a fundamentally different view of dogs/animals. Im gonna leave it there.
It's not controversial to say that most pets are seen as an extension of their owner, more than a complex individual with needs, hopes, and wants of their own. I applaud the love for animals, but nothing I said is really at all unreasonable or really even in contention. This effort to be like, "oh I could say something, but I won't" feels passive aggressive. You've done it twice now with me. This is literally a forum to discuss your feelings about superhero films, so don't let me stop you.

We have a fundamentally different view of superhero films, perhaps... but dogs/animals? No, I doubt that.
 
Nice - if you've any recommendations, let me know!

So far, I've read...
  • For All Seasons
  • For Tomorrow
  • All-Star Superman
  • Brainiac (Geoff Johns)
  • Superman: Unchained
  • The Last Son
  • The Death and Return of Superman
  • Superman: Red & Blue
I'm waiting on the deluxe edition of Up in the Sky that comes out in May, before I read that one.
I second @hopefuldreamer ‘s recommendations, and will add Superman: Space Age, Superman: Secret Identity, Morrison’s Action Comics and Tomasi/Gleason’s Rebirth run to the list. Also, depending on how you felt about the Red & Blue format, Adventures of Superman (2013) was the far superior Superman anthology series, imo.
 
These dogs that you've loved.... they've mostly been an accessory to you and your family I'd imagine.... an ally to you; it goes where you go, it behaves how you want it to behave. That's not a character... that's a plot device. The dog is an accessory to your life. What exactly is the problem with that?
Yeah…no. You sound like someone who’s never loved a dog, which is fine. We’re not gonna agree here, and that post was reductive and borderline insulting for anyone who has honestly, so I’m not going to continue debating this further.
 

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