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Dini's thoughts.

Yeah, I saw the new SUPERMAN movie.

Eh, it was okay.

Considering the train wreck it could have been it was outstanding, but as it was, to me at least, it was just okay.

Given Superman's history in comics, movies, radio, television and a dozen other places, I was disappointed that the filmmakers looked only as far as the two movies made in the late 70's for their inspiration. But Superman, both as a character and as an entire concept, is much richer than those films. Clark the bumbler, the barely developed Daily Planet staff (besides Lois), the Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, goddamn wacky Lex and his daffy henchmoll du jour, ugh. Enough. You clowns are spending, when all is said and done, 300 million dollars. Show me something I can't get at the video rental store. Screw the fact THE INCREDIBLES is a cartoon, give me a story that's better than that, because animated or not, THE INCREDIBLES is the new gold standard for superhero movies. SUPERMAN RETURNS was in live-action (partially) and it felt like a cartoon, a flat, boring one. THE INCREDIBLES had characters that were compelling, some cool plot twists, great action sequences, and a villain's plot that, while not the most original, actually made sense. Weren't too many of those elements in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

I liked bits and pieces -- Eva Marie Saint, Brandon Routh, the Smallville flashbacks, Superman seen via a security camera foiling a convenience store robbery, the whole saving the plane sequence. Sweet raisins in a bowl of bland oatmeal.

Then again, I saw it for free, so what right do I have to complain?

His mood at the time of posting: Disappointed.

http://kingofbreakfast.livejournal.com/

I looked at Tim Sale's message board, and it doesn't say if he saw it or not.
http://www.timsale1.com/home.html
 
^I agree with Paul Dini. This guy knows whats he`s saying. Way to go, Singer! :rolleyes:
 
It's kinda refreshing to see a professional Superman guru so open and honest...I'm so used to these pros giving the politically correct version of their thoughts. :up:

And to be honest, as much as I loved SR, I agree with Mr. Dini.
 
I love "Clark the bumbler" and at least he plays a role in the movie, unlike S:TAS
 
Dini echoes a good deal of the fans' misgivings.

see we aint crazy :p :O
 
Paul dini's a genius, and it's just his opinion (in which I agree to a certain degree)

I hope that no one here will go "Dini's hack because he didn't like Supeman Returns". If anyone does, then I'll curse them.
 
thechubbysaint said:
I couldn't find any Bruce Timm comments. Anybody know of any?

I haven't seen any, but considering how close Bruce and Paul worked for so many years and collaborated on so many aspects of the DCAU, I'd venture a guess that he's probably of a similar mindset as Paul.

These guys know what they're doing. The DCAU really helped bring respectability and epic stories to the DC characters in modern times. Singer really screwed up bad, and the sad testament to humanity is that WB had the best writers in front of them all along that would have brought Superman to the forefront on the big screen. These guys can write, and blow Singer's whack pack of writers out of the water.

Rock on Paul Dini! You are appreciated for all your work with the DCAU as is Bruce, and everyone else.
 
I still think that Timm and Dini's version of Brainiac should be used in the sequel.
 
The 'robotic intelligence' does kinda beat the mad scientist who shrank Kandor.
 
Octoberist said:
I still think that Timm and Dini's version of Brainiac should be used in the sequel.

I agree with you, but I don't see Singer's ego allowing that to happen. He seems to really pretend as if the DCAU didn't happen, or he downplays the significance of the DCAU. This was very evident in his documentary Up, Up, & Away. He practically said nothing about the DCAU and how it had helped to bring Superman to the forefront with epic stories and great entertainment, as well as respectability and episodes with very adult themes.
 
dpm07 said:
I agree with you, but I don't see Singer's ego allowing that to happen. He seems to really pretend as if the DCAU didn't happen, or he downplays the significance of the DCAU. This was very evident in his documentary Up, Up, & Away. He practically said nothing about the DCAU and how it had helped to bring Superman to the forefront with epic stories and great entertainment, as well as respectability and episodes with very adult themes.

In the doc, they actually compared DCAU to the old school Superman cartoons, describing it like the ones from the 40s but "with an edge".

Um...I don't think so.

STAS and the 40s series have NOTHING in common.
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Isn't there a thread on this already?

yeah its also on this front page, but that was to artists and this one is for writers.

honestly we should just merge the two, what happens when editors posted their reviews? we cant have too many threads for the same guys working in the same medium.
 
dpm07 said:
I agree with you, but I don't see Singer's ego allowing that to happen. He seems to really pretend as if the DCAU didn't happen, or he downplays the significance of the DCAU. This was very evident in his documentary Up, Up, & Away. He practically said nothing about the DCAU and how it had helped to bring Superman to the forefront with epic stories and great entertainment, as well as respectability and episodes with very adult themes.
I think that may be sad but true. The DCAU is, for me, the definitive version of these characters on the screen.

And TAS Braniac would absolutely rock HARD. For me, there is no other Braniac alternative.
 
Sorry if this was an extra thread. I thought the other one was just about Liefield. (sp)
 
The other one has writers too. Mark Waid's reaction is in the other one.
 
thechubbysaint said:
Sorry if this was an extra thread. I thought the other one was just about Liefield. (sp)

its cool dude, we should just ask the Mods to merge this and the other one. :cool:
 
compi716 said:
I think that may be sad but true. The DCAU is, for me, the definitive version of these characters on the screen.

And TAS Braniac would absolutely rock HARD. For me, there is no other Braniac alternative.

Word for word, you said everything I have been thinking all along. I absolutely agree with you. :up:

I also agree that TAS Brainiac is really hella awesome. He is so methodical and singular in his purpose. His absence of hate or emotion is really in great diametrical opposition to Superman's caring. It makes for a great possibility on-screen. :up:
 
dpm07 said:
I haven't seen any, but considering how close Bruce and Paul worked for so many years and collaborated on so many aspects of the DCAU, I'd venture a guess that he's probably of a similar mindset as Paul.

These guys know what they're doing. The DCAU really helped bring respectability and epic stories to the DC characters in modern times. Singer really screwed up bad, and the sad testament to humanity is that WB had the best writers in front of them all along that would have brought Superman to the forefront on the big screen. These guys can write, and blow Singer's whack pack of writers out of the water.

Rock on Paul Dini! You are appreciated for all your work with the DCAU as is Bruce, and everyone else.

:up: :up: :up:
 
I suppose I'm one of the few who loved Dini's work on BTAS but not at all on STAS or DCAU. No professionals opinion matters all that much to me but I was more interested in what he had to say about Batman Begins than anything Superman related.
 

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