Superman Returns Superman Returns: Happy 2 Year Anniversary

[mego joe]

Yeah I got it, havent had a chance to read it yet though, will try soon.



Well 77% is A LOT more than the majority of CB tend to get from critics, and a lot more than most blockbusters full stop.

Plus, when has WB EVER made the right decision with their CB movies, Nolan aside? Come on MJ.

Well, I can't disagree with you there- they greenlit SR! I figure they've finally learned after Nolan success and are going with a new direction with Superman b/c of that. Besides, if SR is what they wanted for the character, a sequel would surely have been in production by now.

I know that you love SR, but surely you can see how the Singerverse limits the character and what could come next- and that's it's not the direction that's going to be successful.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, I can't disagree with you there- they greenlit SR! I figure they've finally learned after Nolan success and are going with a new direction with Superman b/c of that. Besides, if SR is what they wanted for the character, a sequel would surely have been in production by now.

And thank god they did greenlight as it was a fantastic movie. And again my point stands, WB dont have a clue what they are doing with their CB movies for the most part.

I know that you love SR, but surely you can see how the Singerverse limits the character and what could come next- and that's it's not the direction that's going to be successful.

I dont see how it limits the character at all, all it needs is a little imagination, I can think of ways they could take, and i'm not a professional screenwriter for Christs sake.

 

[mego joe]

And thank god they did greenlight as it was a fantastic movie. And again my point stands, WB dont have a clue what they are doing with their CB movies for the most part.



I dont see how it limits the character at all, all it needs is a little imagination, I can think of ways they could take, and i'm not a professional screenwriter for Christs sake.

It's clear that Jason limits what can come next. If you can't see that then you aren't paying attention- really, it's all about our differing perceptions of Superman's character. We've had these arguments before so I don't want to start again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's clear that Jason limits what can come next. If you can't see that then you aren't paying attention- really, it's all about our differing perceptions of Superman's character. We've had these arguments before so I don't want to start again.

I am paying attention, I think a person who has seen the movie 50 times rather than once over 2 years ago is paying attention more dont you?

As I said earlier, there is PLENTY they could with Jason, and Superman for that matter.

 

[mego joe]

I am paying attention, I think a person who has seen the movie 50 times rather than once over 2 years ago is paying attention more dont you?

As I said earlier, there is PLENTY they could with Jason, and Superman for that matter.

What I meant about paying attention did not refer to anything in SR. I am aware of how much you like it, and that you've seen it ad nauseum.

If WB was satisfied with direction of the SUperman franchise under SInger then we'd have a sequel in production. But we don't. Therefore it's clear WB was not satisfied with the "Superman and Son" angle. It's clear from this message board that there are issues with resolving the Jason issue and making it a story that fits Superman. Heck, the illegitamte son angle doesn't fit SUperman, so they would just be digging themselves a bigger hole. The only way to fix it is for it to have never existed.

And that's the thing NOTHING they do with Jason is really going to fit a Superman story. SR is not even a good Superman story. Jason is a major problem. I know you love SR, but SR just doesn't represent SUperman well. Singer shoe horned a deadbeat dad story into a Superman film and tried to pass it off by mimicing as much as he could from the Donner films, but that still doesn't make it a quintessential Superman story. You take the Jason aspect out of the movie and you've got a chance, but his inclusion just kills it. WB realized this that is why there isn't a sequel in production, nor will there ever be a direct sequel to SR. That ship has sailed. It's over. THe next Superman film will not include Jason. His storyline does not fit the Superman character. That is why WB is going with a new direction.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What I meant about paying attention did not refer to anything in SR. I am aware of how much you like it, and that you've seen it ad nauseum.

If WB was satisfied with direction of the SUperman franchise under SInger then we'd have a sequel in production. But we don't. Therefore it's clear WB was not satisfied with the "Superman and Son" angle. It's clear from this message board that there are issues with resolving the Jason issue and making it a story that fits Superman. Heck, the illegitamte son angle doesn't fit SUperman, so they would just be digging themselves a bigger hole. The only way to fix it is for it to have never existed.

And this just brings me back to my point, you site that WB not being satisfied with SR as being proof the movie wasnt good, well, have you SEEN some of the movies WB HAS been satisfied with in the past. It again backs up my point that they have NO clue what they want or what they are satisfied with. IF they were so dissatisfied, then Singer and Routh would be out without any shadow of a doubt, yet we keep hearing both are still involved somehow. I dont mean offence by this commect, but you seem to be twisting what WB is actually doing to somehow suit your opinion of the movie.

And that's the thing NOTHING they do with Jason is really going to fit a Superman story. SR is not even a good Superman story. Jason is a major problem. I know you love SR, but SR just doesn't represent SUperman well. Singer shoe horned a deadbeat dad story into a Superman film and tried to pass it off by mimicing as much as he could from the Donner films, but that still doesn't make it a quintessential Superman story. You take the Jason aspect out of the movie and you've got a chance, but his inclusion just kills it. WB realized this that is why there isn't a sequel in production, nor will there ever be a direct sequel to SR. That ship has sailed. It's over. THe next Superman film will not include Jason. His storyline does not fit the Superman character. That is why WB is going with a new direction.

This is all opinion MJ, NOT fact, the way you seem to be stating it. PLENTY of people were satisfied enough with the story, some so much so they wrote to WB in disgust once they heard a sequel possible wasnt being made. I know you think yourself a sot of authority on Superman, but the fact remains that MANY Superman fans did love the movie.

Plus, the reason a sequel isnt in production is not because WB realised anything, its simply because the movie didnt make what THEY projected it to. Which were pretty ridiculous numbers for a 1st movie in a franchise anyway, when no stars were in the movie.

 

[mego joe]

And this just brings me back to my point, you site that WB not being satisfied with SR as being proof the movie wasnt good, well, have you SEEN some of the movies WB HAS been satisfied with in the past.

I know that SR was not good based on my own observations, I really don't know what WB thinks. I know that WB was not satisfied with how it set up the character for the restart of the franchise and now they are looking at another restart.

It again backs up my point that they have NO clue what they want or what they are satisfied with. IF they were so dissatisfied, then Singer and Routh would be out without any shadow of a doubt, yet we keep hearing both are still involved somehow. I dont mean offence by this commect, but you seem to be twisting what WB is actually doing to somehow suit your opinion of the movie.

The very fact that they haven't already begun a sequel should be enough to prove that WB were not satisfied with SR. The only reasons Singer is still 'hanging around' are undoubtedly financially and contractually based. I think this aspect has been covered elsewhere ad infinitum.

This is all opinion MJ, NOT fact, the way you seem to be stating it. PLENTY of people were satisfied enough with the story, some so much so they wrote to WB in disgust once they heard a sequel possible wasnt being made.

And plenty of people were not satisfied with SR to the point that they wrote letters and started websites trying to get rid of Routh and SInger. The very fact that the opinion on SR is so divided is the only evidence you need to show that SR was a not what WB was looking for. No matter how much the lovers love it, it just did not do what it needed to do. That is a fact.

I know you think yourself a sot of authority on Superman, but the fact remains that MANY Superman fans did love the movie.

Well, I think they are fewer and further between than you would like to believe. Particularly in respect to Jason. I don't think there are hardly any Superman fans that think Jason was a good idea. Some fans liked it despite Jason. Some fans liked it just b/c it was SUperman- nothing else really mattered. But very few people have a positive outlook on another SUperman film if it includes Jason. He is dead weight. That storyline should never occurred as it did in the first place. It's just repeating the same mistakes of SR. Those issues just don't belong in a Superman story from that perspective. Perhaps if SUperman was the foster father and the good guy, but not from the perspective of Superman being the jerk that left, the deadbeat, the absentee father, the insensetive,immature and self-centered boyfriend. If it had been a totally new character it would have been different, but that just wasn't Superman. I know you don't understand that but there's nothing new to say that I haven't said already. I'm sorry you think that SR represents Superman's character faithfully. It's quite sad because it doesn't. He's a much better, thoughtful caring and sensetive person than he was portratyed in SR.

Plus, the reason a sequel isnt in production is not because WB realised anything, its simply because the movie didnt make what THEY projected it to. Which were pretty ridiculous numbers for a 1st movie in a franchise anyway, when no stars were in the movie.

If they thought that they would have just cut the budget of the sequel, but instead they realized the storylines from SR have no potential to make profitable Superman films. WB has already said it, SR did not position the character where they wanted him. That's a nice way of saying that SInger didn't understand the character and wrote a film about dysfunctional Superman family. Something that is just antithetical to the character.

C'mon 'Jamon, we're not going to do this all over again are we?

 

[SuperDaniel]

Ave, how about this?

We'll get a reboot and you can still watch your precious SR at home in your DVD player. Everybody wins.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Perhaps the people not happy with SR should refrain from posting in this thread? I mean, it's certainly no Happy 2 Year Anniversary for them...

 

[El Payaso]

Ave, how about this?

We'll get a reboot and you can still watch your precious SR at home in your DVD player. Everybody wins.

Or maybe you should stop posting in threads and forums of movies you hate and leave this celebration thread for people who enjoy the movie? How about that? Everybody wins.

 

[mego joe]

Perhaps the people not happy with SR should refrain from posting in this thread? I mean, it's certainly no Happy 2 Year Anniversary for them...

Or rather it is reason to celebrate b/c there's no sequel in production.

 

[SuperDaniel]

LOL

 

[El Payaso]

Or rather it is reason to celebrate b/c there's no sequel in production.

Put some effort and open a thread about it so we can derail-ruin it.

 

[stargazer]

And thank god they did greenlight as it was a fantastic movie. And again my point stands, WB dont have a clue what they are doing with their CB movies for the most part.



I dont see how it limits the character at all, all it needs is a little imagination, I can think of ways they could take, and i'm not a professional screenwriter for Christs sake.

I am paying attention, I think a person who has seen the movie 50 times rather than once over 2 years ago is paying attention more dont you?

As I said earlier, there is PLENTY they could with Jason, and Superman for that matter.

Very well said!

Superman Returns is for adults. The rest can have Ghost Ryder and Daredevil.

Perhaps the people not happy with SR should refrain from posting in this thread? I mean, it's certainly no Happy 2 Year Anniversary for them...

Or maybe you should stop posting in threads and forums of movies you hate and leave this celebration thread for people who enjoy the movie? How about that? Everybody wins.

Yeah! Perhaps we should avoid feeding it..

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah! Perhaps we should avoid feeding it..

Which makes me think that he needs to keep feeding it somehow. Otherwise he wouldn't do it constantly.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Put some effort and open a thread about it so we can derail-ruin it.

LOL, you beat me to it!

 

[afan]

Perhaps the people not happy with SR should refrain from posting in this thread? I mean, it's certainly no Happy 2 Year Anniversary for them...

Actually if you read the initial post of the thread it's purpose is to give both opinions, pro and con, a forum. Several of the posts that follow that initial opening are negative in tone. So from the get go it was not a "Rah! Rah!" SR thread.

 

[mego joe]

Which makes me think that he needs to keep feeding it somehow. Otherwise he wouldn't do it constantly.

When I know something's wrong I just can let it be.

What if the women's suffrage movements had stopped 'feeding it.'

What if the civil right's movement had stopped 'feeding it.'

 

[El Payaso]

When I know something's wrong I just can let it be.

What if the women's suffrage movements had stopped 'feeding it.'

What if the civil right's movement had stopped 'feeding it.'

What if complaining aboput a movie was compared to some noble causes? would it sound convincing all of a sudden? Nope.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know that SR was not good based on my own observations, I really don't know what WB thinks. I know that WB was not satisfied with how it set up the character for the restart of the franchise and now they are looking at another restart.

Come on MJ, WB greenlight the freaking movie in the first place, they knew EXACTLY what they were getting from the start. Fact is if the movie had made a $100 million a sequel WOULD have been made, WB wouldnt have give **** about how the character was protrayed if it made enough money. Their decision to re-boot is totally financially based, not artistically in any way shape or form.

The very fact that they haven't already begun a sequel should be enough to prove that WB were not satisfied with SR. The only reasons Singer is still 'hanging around' are undoubtedly financially and contractually based. I think this aspect has been covered elsewhere ad infinitum.

See above, they dont give a **** how the character is portrayed as long as it makes them money. Showtime has pointed out many times in the past that MANY people from WB WERE in fact very satisfied with the movie.

And plenty of people were not satisfied with SR to the point that they wrote letters and started websites trying to get rid of Routh and SInger. The very fact that the opinion on SR is so divided is the only evidence you need to show that SR was a not what WB was looking for. No matter how much the lovers love it, it just did not do what it needed to do. That is a fact.

Its not a fact at all, plenty of people wrote letters AND have started petitions supporting the movie, so your point is moot.

Well, I think they are fewer and further between than you would like to believe. Particularly in respect to Jason. I don't think there are hardly any Superman fans that think Jason was a good idea. Some fans liked it despite Jason. Some fans liked it just b/c it was SUperman- nothing else really mattered. But very few people have a positive outlook on another SUperman film if it includes Jason. He is dead weight. That storyline should never occurred as it did in the first place. It's just repeating the same mistakes of SR. Those issues just don't belong in a Superman story from that perspective. Perhaps if SUperman was the foster father and the good guy, but not from the perspective of Superman being the jerk that left, the deadbeat, the absentee father, the insensetive,immature and self-centered boyfriend. If it had been a totally new character it would have been different, but that just wasn't Superman. I know you don't understand that but there's nothing new to say that I haven't said already. I'm sorry you think that SR represents Superman's character faithfully. It's quite sad because it doesn't. He's a much better, thoughtful caring and sensetive person than he was portratyed in SR.

And these are the comments I have come to expect from you, you used to be a nice guy who didnt come out with this ****. You are stating YOUR opinion of the movie as fact when it totally and utterley isnt, YOU are the one who needs to understand that people have differing opinions on things, I understand plenty about Superman thanks. For example, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say B&R was better than SR.

If they thought that they would have just cut the budget of the sequel, but instead they realized the storylines from SR have no potential to make profitable Superman films. WB has already said it, SR did not position the character where they wanted him. That's a nice way of saying that SInger didn't understand the character and wrote a film about dysfunctional Superman family. Something that is just antithetical to the character.

And as I have said above, I bet if the movie had made more, they would be saying the complete opposite. You are under the false notion that WB re-booting for artistic reasons MJ, when it is quite clear this ISNT the reason they are re-booting

C'mon 'Jamon, we're not going to do this all over again are we?

Well its looks like we are going to have to until YOU understand that your version of Superman isnt everyone's.

Ave, how about this?

We'll get a reboot and you can still watch your precious SR at home in your DVD player. Everybody wins.

So I cant WANT a sequel to a movie I liked now? God, things dont change around here do they.

Also, have you EVER heard me complain about them re-booting since they announced it? NO.

 

[mego joe]

Come on MJ, WB greenlight the freaking movie in the first place, they knew EXACTLY what they were getting from the start. Fact is if the movie had made a $100 million a sequel WOULD have been made, WB wouldnt have give **** about how the character was protrayed if it made enough money. Their decision to re-boot is totally financially based, not artistically in any way shape or form.



See above, they dont give a **** how the character is portrayed as long as it makes them money. Showtime has pointed out many times in the past that MANY people from WB WERE in fact very satisfied with the movie.



Its not a fact at all, plenty of people wrote letters AND have started petitions supporting the movie, so your point is moot.




And these are the comments I have come to expect from you, you used to be a nice guy who didnt come out with this ****. You are stating YOUR opinion of the movie as fact when it totally and utterley isnt, YOU are the one who needs to understand that people have differing opinions on things, I understand plenty about Superman thanks. For example, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say B&R was better than SR.




And as I have said above, I bet if the movie had made more, they would be saying the complete opposite. You are under the false notion that WB re-booting for artistic reasons MJ, when it is quite clear this ISNT the reason they are re-booting




Well its looks like we are going to have to until YOU understand that your version of Superman isnt everyone's.



So I cant WANT a sequel to a movie I liked now? God, things dont change around here do they.

Also, have you EVER heard me complain about them re-booting since they announced it? NO.

I said we shouldn't do this all over again.

 

[stargazer]

Come on MJ, WB greenlight the freaking movie in the first place, they knew EXACTLY what they were getting from the start. Fact is if the movie had made a $100 million a sequel WOULD have been made, WB wouldnt have give **** about how the character was protrayed if it made enough money. Their decision to re-boot is totally financially based, not artistically in any way shape or form.



See above, they dont give a **** how the character is portrayed as long as it makes them money. Showtime has pointed out many times in the past that MANY people from WB WERE in fact very satisfied with the movie.



Its not a fact at all, plenty of people wrote letters AND have started petitions supporting the movie, so your point is moot.




And these are the comments I have come to expect from you, you used to be a nice guy who didnt come out with this ****. You are stating YOUR opinion of the movie as fact when it totally and utterley isnt, YOU are the one who needs to understand that people have differing opinions on things, I understand plenty about Superman thanks. For example, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say B&R was better than SR.




And as I have said above, I bet if the movie had made more, they would be saying the complete opposite. You are under the false notion that WB re-booting for artistic reasons MJ, when it is quite clear this ISNT the reason they are re-booting




Well its looks like we are going to have to until YOU understand that your version of Superman isnt everyone's.



So I cant WANT a sequel to a movie I liked now? God, things dont change around here do they.

Also, have you EVER heard me complain about them re-booting since they announced it? NO.

True. Just check the links in my sig. Hundreds of Superman/SR/Brandon fans are against the reboot and REALLY want Brandon back in the cape for the next movie.

Plus the movie and Brandon also won several fan awards were thousands of people voted.

GREAT posts, AVEIT. Some people think they are the center of the universe, apparenty.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I said we shouldn't do this all over again.

Well looks like we are going to have as you still dont understand that this movie has fans, and plenty of them.

True. Just check the links in my sig. Hundreds of Superman/SR/Brandon fans are against the reboot and REALLY want Brandon back in the cape for the next movie.

Plus the movie and Brandon also won several fan awards were thousands of people voted.

GREAT posts, AVEIT. Some people think they are the center of the universe, apparenty.

I wouldnt say MJ thinks he's the centre of the universe, but his opinion on the movie has just gotten more and more extreme over time and I find it his comments insulting nowadays.

You are right, Brandon got awards as voted for by the readers in probably THE 2 most popular movie magazine's in the world, you cant just ignore that and say people didnt like him or his performance.

 

[mego joe]

Well looks like we are going to have as you still dont understand that this movie has fans, and plenty of them.

I understand quite well that this movie has fans, just as I hope you understand just as many people don't like the movie and it is this split that is the reason they are rebooting and this split is ultimately what makes SR a failure.

For the record, that's it. I'm not continuing this same argument again.

 

[mojo-x]

For example, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say B&R was better than SR.


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SR was the most disappointing movie I ever had the misfortune to pay to see.