Superman VS the Hulk

[Cyrusbales]

As long as you concede that he wouldn't necessarily die from that, I'm happy. For now,

I'd always have my money on superman. Unless it was a writer from marvel, lol. Hulk seems very unkillable, but can be restrained or subdued(via space). Whereas superman doesn't have that weakness, either way, would be cool to watch, although it would probably be over in seconds...

 

[Mad Bull]

I'd always have my money on superman. Unless it was a writer from marvel, lol. Hulk seems very unkillable, but can be restrained or subdued(via space). Whereas superman doesn't have that weakness, either way, would be cool to watch, although it would probably be over in seconds...

Agreed, it would be a good fight. Over in seconds, though? I have doubts...

 

[Cyrusbales]

Agreed, it would be a good fight. Over in seconds, though? I have doubts...

Well superman moves at virtually light speed, so, it would over pretty quick

 

[Mad Bull]

Well superman moves at virtually light speed, so, it would over pretty quick

As I understood it, though, he doesn't often employ that kind of speed to avoid collateral damage. He can't tap into the Speed Force like the Flash, can he? Besides, I don't see Supes takin' in to the Hulk full-bore right off the bat.

 

[Zeu]

As I understood it, though, he doesn't often employ that kind of speed to avoid collateral damage. He can't tap into the Speed Force like the Flash, can he? Besides, I don't see Supes takin' in to the Hulk full-bore right off the bat.

In space he doesn´t have to worry about collateral damage.Take the fight to space (the lagrange point is a place where gravitational forces cancel each other, so the Hulk would be emprisoned there forever), punch the air out of Hulk´s lungs and the fight is over.

 

[Cyrusbales]

As I understood it, though, he doesn't often employ that kind of speed to avoid collateral damage. He can't tap into the Speed Force like the Flash, can he? Besides, I don't see Supes takin' in to the Hulk full-bore right off the bat.

Well in the JL animated series, where superman is de-powered, he let's go against darkseid, and moves quicker than the speed darkseid travels after he's punched him....

Hulk may have limitless power, then again, so does superman, we've never seen his upper limit!

 

[bkhedr]

Sure we have. He reached his limit after Doomsday pummeled him for a few hours.

 

[Mad Bull]

Sure we have. He reached his limit after Doomsday pummeled him for a few hours.

 

[ang_hulk]

I'd always have my money on superman. Unless it was a writer from marvel, lol. Hulk seems very unkillable, but can be restrained or subdued(via space). Whereas superman doesn't have that weakness, either way, would be cool to watch, although it would probably be over in seconds...

thats not true,hulks hung out in space for hours and he "swam" his way back to earth.he can fight in space just as well and the excuse for super man taking him there to avoid damage is bs,him tossing him to space would be so he could try and get a jump on him.As far as them running out of breath,supermans lung are more vulnerable then hulks,WHY? because hulk is intialy stronger and more durable so if they both took a shot to the gut,hulk would recover quick and lose less air.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk has reached his limits too. Against the Abomination first and then against the dino in the crossroads dimension. Both times he could not get strong enough no matter how angry or desperate he got. So the Hulks strength has been proven not to be limitless. Both times he would have died and his survival was not anything the Hulk himself was responsible for. Since he has reached limits he obviously has them.

 

[CBG]

Sure we have. He reached his limit after Doomsday pummeled him for a few hours.

Well, with Action Comics #786 (the one where how E2 Superman would live post-Crisis Superman's life and vice-versa), E2 Superman as post-Crisis Superman (his mind, post-Crisis' body) actually lived through Doomsday, surprisingly. Combined with Mongul's statement about Superman's self-believed limits then during OWAW, it could be possible that Superman died because he believed it.

Of course, that's a theory. But it does ask why did E2 Superman as post-Crisis Superman lived rather than died. Different mindset?

And there's the retcon that Superman never died, but entered a near-death-like state, which I call a bull**** move on the writer's part.

 

[Mad Bull]

The Hulk has reached his limits too. Against the Abomination first and then against the dino in the crossroads dimension. Both times he could not get strong enough no matter how angry or desperate he got. So the Hulks strength has been proven not to be limitless. Both times he would have died and his survival was not anything the Hulk himself was responsible for. Since he has reached limits he obviously has them.

Indeed, he has had a couple of instances like that. But hasn't he had better showings since then? Abomination was, what, twice as strong as Hulk at his "base"? I believe later on Hulk came back and tore him a new one when he had been powered up to his original state. I could be wrong, though.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

They never said how strong the Abomination was originally. An alien supposedly powered up the Abomination to his original strength levels but whether it was true could be argued. First of all the alien could simply have lied. Second I have never heard an explanation of how the alien even knew how powerful the Abomination was. I didn't see that story so my knowledge is very limited but since the Abominations showing was much less impressive it is likely that the Abomination did not in fact get his old strength back regardless of what was said. My personal take on that is that the alien lied like hell and that the Hulk has not actually faced the Abomination at his full power level since that first encounter but thats just my opinion.

 

[Mad Bull]

They never said how strong the Abomination was originally. An alien supposedly powered up the Abomination to his original strength levels but whether it was true could be argued. First of all the alien could simply have lied. Second I have never heard an explanation of how the alien even knew how powerful the Abomination was. I didn't see that story so my knowledge is very limited but since the Abominations showing was much less impressive it is likely that the Abomination did not in fact get his old strength back regardless of what was said. My personal take on that is that the alien lied like hell and that the Hulk has not actually faced the Abomination at his full power level since that first encounter but thats just my opinion.

Sure, which you're entitled to. I happen to be of the opposite school of thought, that the Hulk did meet and defeat the Abomination at his original strength. Just my opinion,

 

[Sloth7d]

thats not true,hulks hung out in space for hours and he "swam" his way back to earth.he can fight in space just as well and the excuse for super man taking him there to avoid damage is bs,him tossing him to space would be so he could try and get a jump on him.As far as them running out of breath,supermans lung are more vulnerable then hulks,WHY? because hulk is intialy stronger and more durable so if they both took a shot to the gut,hulk would recover quick and lose less air.

Dude, you are really underestimating Superman. His invulnerability would make Hulk knocking the wind out of him a really hard task to obtain. Hulk would have to enrage himself for awhile before accomplishing that.

 

[ang_hulk]

they both have the ability to lift 100 or so tons in there base state,super mans strength only grows if hes in need and theres no other way,not the case for hulk,if supes tossed him into space hed get really angry and therefore once supes got out there(with or without a faulse sense of confidence which he often has) hulk would be ready to knock a hole in him and hulks invulnerability is incredible.Hulk did indeed go back at abom and knocked the life out of him and him reaching his limit in those other battles isnt true,he just gave in to his mind which he had in those battles,its a draw back to that incarnation,he thinks to much.

 

[Zeu]

Again I repeat.

Ironman one-hit K.O.ed Hulk.

Superman´s strenght >>>>>>>> Ironman´s.

 

[Fading]

they both have the ability to lift 100 or so tons in there base state,super mans strength only grows if hes in need and theres no other way,not the case for hulk,if supes tossed him into space hed get really angry and therefore once supes got out there(with or without a faulse sense of confidence which he often has) hulk would be ready to knock a hole in him and hulks invulnerability is incredible.Hulk did indeed go back at abom and knocked the life out of him and him reaching his limit in those other battles isnt true,he just gave in to his mind which he had in those battles,its a draw back to that incarnation,he thinks to much.

Umm...Supes can lift waaaaaay more than 100 tons, and that's an understatment. His base strength isn't really known because he's never given his all in a punch as far as I remember. Hulk may start out at 100 tons, Supes for sure can atleast lift the pyramids, he has that strength ready, it's just if he wants to use that much of his full strength or not. It's like being as strong as you are, but trying to bend a toothpick without breaking it. Sure if you applied full strength you could easy, but you have to hold back. Superman's strength is quite a bit more than Hulk's 'base' in multiples, he just holds back all the time in fear of hurting someone. Heck think of the world being made of paper towels, that's what it's like for Supes. It's one of the reasons I don't like him as much as I would normally tho lol, so that's not a positive to me, just saying Supes is as close to 100 ton strength as a cheetah is to a snails speed.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Some people estimate Superman's base level strength to be around 140,000 tons.

 

[Fading]

Some people estimate Superman's base level strength to be around 140,000 tons.

Honestly not a Superman buff here, I just knew he was way beyond 100 tons. Of course I think many Marvel hero's are past that 100 tons thing too. That just seems to be a generic cap, while I like it because it keeps most hero's grounded in strength lvls, guys like Thor have had feats of strength well past 100 tons. It makes it hard to make a definite stance on how strong they really are.

 

[ang_hulk]

still,hulks done alot more then that,if supes is above 100 at any point then fine but hulk can handle it,at this point him being tossed into space would make him really really mad so hed be ready.

 

[Zeu]

What CAN Hulk do if he´s tossed into space?

He took hours to "swim" back to earth (if that even makes any sense).

He´s fighting against someone who can move at near lightspeeed in space!

Someone who can lobotomise him with his heatvision from VENUS, freeze-breathe him, then return to earth in a nanosecond to breath, fly up to the Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt, grab a rock to smash his skull, all the while punch/kick-correcting Hulk´s trajectory to the sun (which replenishes Superman´s strenght BTW -meaning he grows stronger the closer and the more exposed he is to it).

I stopped liking Superman at about the same time Byrne left the title but c´mon, enough is enough.

Ironman ONE-HIT K.O.ed Hulk.
Ironman!

 

[CBG]

Actually, Superman's FTL.

 

[Zeu]

Actually, Superman's FTL.

I have suspected that ever since the storyarc where he left earth our of remorse for killing the 3 kryptonians and flew to other planets.

No way could he have reached other planets at lightspeed.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Who's Who in the DC Universe published in the mid 80's said at the time of the reboot that Superman could easily lift the Great Pyramid which is several million tons. That was before the gradual increase in power that Superman has had. At that time Superman couldn't dream of getting anywhere near the speed of light. He almost passed out when the Superboy of the pocket dimension towed him to the speed of light and entered the time barrier. So now he is a lot more powerful than he was at the time of the reboot. Supermans strength was at the time of the reboot somewhere near 100,000x the Hulks base strength. Punching power is magnified to an insane degree by super speed and you get a difference in punching power that is ridiculous to even compare.