The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 2

[Patty]

First review is in, over at nolanforums.

link plz?

 

[Why do we fall?]

Is the occupy wall street aspect of the movie politicized in any way? I feel like that would detract from the movie in a way..

 

[Name-That-movie]

Are there multiple climaxes like in TDK where there was a Joker climax and then a Gordon/Two-Face climax?

No, we get the final climax all together. Then we get the last 10 minutes to wrap up everything.

Spoiler

Do either Lucius or Alfred die?

Spoiler

I've already answered this, but its a simple one. No

 

[Name-That-movie]

Is the occupy wall street aspect of the movie politicized in any way? I feel like that would detract from the movie in a way..

No, there is no occupy wall street in the film. Just a take over of a stock exchange.

 

[Why do we fall?]

No, there is no occupy wall street in the film. Just a take over of a stock exchange.

Thanks. Good to hear

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Is the occupy wall street aspect of the movie politicized in any way? I feel like that would detract from the movie in a way..

Spoiler

According to the French Reviewer: No, and he was disappointed by it (although the inspiration for the 'Occupy Wall Street' angle was inspired by A Tale of Two Cities, not actual events.

 

[Commodore]

link plz?

http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10680&start=60

It's really not hard to search and find it yourself. I assume these are the ones he is referring to.

 

[Ferd]

Name-that-movie I apologize if you've already answered this, but can you say

Spoiler

what happens with Selina after she kills Bane with the batpod? I assume after this Batman gets on the pod and goes after Talia? And then gets into the Bat for the final bit with Gordon? Just curious how things are ended with Selina before the final ending at the cafe.

And does Selina and Batman (as Batman not Bruce) share a kiss or just a hug at some point outside the one during their dance when she has the necklace on?

 

[herecomes]

link plz?

Apparently the review is from http://filmism.net
But I couldn't find it anywhere on that site... yet.
Credit to nolanfans member RollTide1987

Spoiler

Is Jonathan Crane (aka The Scarecrow) in it? Is the character of Miranda Tate (Marion Cotillard) really Talia Al-Ghul? Does Bruce Wayne die at the end? Can director Christopher Nolan do what no director has in history and pull off the biggest, baddest, best last installment in a popular popcorn movie trilogy (Spider-Man 3 was a letdown, as was The Godfather Part III, and fan consensus still says The Empire Strikes Back was superior to Return of the Jedi).

Last Christmas, the signs looked good when Nolan previewed the opening scene, a daring mid-air plane heist by Bane and his henchmen. The sheer scale of the image on IMAX screens was jaw-dropping, and the character of Bane looked like he'd go down in history as one of the great movie bad guys (apart from those problems with his voice, which have been fixed – no matter what anyone associated with the film claims, it was a problem).

With the voice now understandable and just as disturbing coming through the metallic filter of his mask, it's made Bane an almost perfect character. There have been few scarier movie villains since Darth Vader – with a bulked-up Tom Hardy under the sheepskin coat and mask, Bane is a battering ram of raw physicality. The sequence from the trailer of he and Batman slugging it out in what looks like the rain will leave you feeling as battered as the combatants. A gate slams shut, locking Batman in with Bane for their bout (it's the centrepiece, not the climax), and you'll already have the squirming sensation that the latter is a guy you don't want to be locked in a room with.

It's eight years since the death of Harvey Dent, and Batman has finally been able to disappear as Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) wanted, the Dent Act having swept the criminal element off the streets of Gotham city. Even though he knows his alter ego was branded a traitor and killer, with only he and Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) knowing the truth, he can finally rest.

But even though Alfred (Michael Caine) is glad his master's left the cape and mask behind, there's no rest for Bruce, who's become a broken recluse. It might be a thinly veiled admission that The Joker was right all along – that Batman was the other side of the coin from the theatrical monsters he hunted, and that without him, Bruce Wayne has nothing.

In his absence, Wayne Enterprises has floundered despite the best efforts of Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman), and its only chance to survive might be investing in the beautiful clean energy entrepreneur Miranda Tate (Marion Cottilard).

Two events occur in Bruce's life that turn things around. The first is when daring cat burglar Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway) catches his eye even while she's robbing him, giving him no idea until later that she had an ulterior motive. And the other is the appearance of a new masked madman named Bane (Tom Hardy), as violent as The Joker but even more dangerous because instead of anarchy and chaos, he has a definite plan. As he alludes to in the trailer, Gotham will be 'ashes'.

With Gordon (Gary Oldman) in hospital after facing off against the underground army (literally) Bane has assembled, Batman has to come back. But in the titanic fistfight that marks the turning point of the second act, Bane breaks him all over again (in a huge nod to the comic books).

Bruce is thrown in a well-like prison to rot and Bane exacts his plan, starting with the explosive football stadium attack you've seen in the trailer. He appears to want a revolution, a sort of Crowley-esque 'do as thou wilt' law where anything goes, and it's where the Batman universe again – maybe unwittingly – gets political.

There are scenes of thugs dragging the rich from their homes and looting their belongings, leaving force rather than privilege the only real power. When Selina feels uneasy at the looting, telling friend Jen (Juno Temple) that it's someone's home, Jen shrugs and say 'now it's everybody's home'. It reminds you of the scene in Dr Zhivago when Yuri (Omar Sharif) comes home to his opulent home to find it full of squatting peasants after the Bolshevik revolution. And while the notion of overthrowing the rich is as old as currency itself, it's hard to ignore connotations with the Occupy movements of the last year.

Nolan and his co-screenwriters (brother Jonathan and David Goyer) probably weren't explicitly commenting on residual anger from the global financial crisis or the politics of communism, but the themes give the film more depth than most blockbusters.

The Dark Knight Rises cements the fact that Nolan might be the best 'commercial' film director working today. He's not only completely comfortable and skilled with story and characters, he has a visual artists eye. Where Batman Begins' landscapes had shades of Tim Burton's Gotham and The Dark Knight was about the dark thoroughfares of a large, modern city, The Dark Knight Rises (shot in New York, LA and Pittsburgh) presents a much more open Gotham City, its bright white snow and stark, harsh lines part of the larger world – even the US President makes an appearance.

For the second time after The Dark Knight, the great thing about the film is that it feels like it exists in the real world rather than that of a comic book, a crime procedural on a Grand Guignol scale with larger than life characters.

It's opened the scope of the Batman universe as surely as the jam-packed cast list. Other characters have such integral roles in the story it's not completely about Batman anymore. Bale doesn't even make an appearance as Wayne for a good 15 minutes, and we don't see Batman for half an hour.

But the better the film, the more urgent the need to find fault becomes so you don't feel like an ad quote-chasing studio shill. And just like he's done with all his films, Nolan's made it very hard. Bale's growly voice in the Batman suit is still a bit silly, and even though it's hard for the mythology to escape its comic book origins, all the League of Shadows allusions feel a little at odds with the realism that anchors the plot and visual palette.

But for sheer enjoyment at the movies, the best news might be that both Nolan and his cinematographer Wally Pfister dislike 3D and love IMAX. As with the best effects and cinema technology, you forget after a minute that you're watching such an enormous picture, but you feel the shake in the floor from every gun blast or fist impact and you're completely drawn into the story because the world of it surrounds you on all sides.

Read more: http://www.nolanfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9757&start=770#ixzz20k2KIatw

 

[Meerski]

Are people really talking about where to sit??? Seriously.........

 

[redfirebird2008]

Are people really talking about where to sit??? Seriously.........

Yes. Ever been in a real IMAX theater before? Seat location is important for IMAX. It can either be the greatest or worst theatrical experience ever depending on where you sit.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Apparently the review is from http://filmism.net
But I couldn't find it anywhere on that site... yet.
Credit to nolanfans member RollTide1987

I don't wish to read more spoilers, so what score did he give the film?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name-that-movie I apologize if you've already answered this, but can you say

Spoiler

what happens with Selina after she kills Bane with the batpod? I assume after this Batman gets on the pod and goes after Talia? And then gets into the Bat for the final bit with Gordon? Just curious how things are ended with Selina before the final ending at the cafe.

And does Selina and Batman (as Batman not Bruce) share a kiss or just a hug at some point outside the one during their dance when she has the necklace on?

Spoiler

After she shows up on the Bat Pod and takes out Bane, Bruce says they have to stop the truck with the bomb. He says to Selina to take the ground as he will take the sky's. They both assault the tumblers and Hemit Truck. She takes out a Tumbler with the Bat Pod, the scene from the trailer where she makes the quick turn and the wheels spin is from the final fight.

Before Batman gets ready to take off with the bomb hooked up to the Bat, she gives him a very long kiss. They are both in full costume.

 

[kvz5]

Spoiler

After she shows up on the Bat Pod and takes out Bane, Bruce says they have to stop the truck with the bomb. He says to Selina to take the ground as he will take the sky's. They both assault the tumblers and Hemit Truck. She takes out a Tumbler with the Bat Pod, the scene from the trailer where she makes the quick turn and the wheels spin is from the final fight.

Before Batman gets ready to take off with the bomb hooked up to the Bat, she gives him a very long kiss. They are both in full costume.

[blackout]Long kiss? I approve![/blackout]

 

[iamfourfivesix]

http://screenrant.com/dark-knight-rises-ending-spoilers-benm-175173/

Listen people - either this guy is lying or Goyer is lying. take your pic. Goyer said they had the final scene in their minds since BB. you mean to tell me they imagined this John Blake character finding the batcave as the final scene this whole time? i don't think so- these "spoilers" are complete bs

 

[redfirebird2008]

I don't wish to read more spoilers, so what score did he give the film?

Didn't give one. It's a very positive review though. Only complaints were the growling Batvoice and the fact that the realistic tone doesn't always match up with the comic book story.

 

[herecomes]

I don't wish to read more spoilers, so what score did he give the film?

Didn't score it but sounded very positive, even when trying to find flaws with the film.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Didn't give one. It's a very positive review though. Only complaints were the growling Batvoice and the fact that the realistic tone doesn't always match up with the comic book story.

Fantastic.

 

[elgato]

Oh god, I'll never again click a "show" buttom again I've been completely spoiled, my bad, I know, but it's still painful, lol.

 

[Symbiotic]

Spoiler

Before Batman gets ready to take off with the bomb hooked up to the Bat, she gives him a very long kiss. They are both in full costume.

Nice.

http://screenrant.com/dark-knight-rises-ending-spoilers-benm-175173/

Listen people - either this guy is lying or Goyer is lying. take your pic. Goyer said they had the final scene in their minds since BB. you mean to tell me they imagined this John Blake character finding the batcave as the final scene this whole time? i don't think so- these "spoilers" are complete bs

...No.

 

[FaceMcStuffin]

Apologize if this has been brought up, but is it believable on how they make Bruce disappear to that prison and his escape and return to Gotham? Hopefully it makes sense but if the largest city in America was in some kind of lock down how do you get in and out easily?

 

[Name-That-movie]

I personally disagree with the concerns about Batman's voice in this. It is very clear this time around. Not anywhere near as bad as The Dark Knight.

 

[redfirebird2008]

So there is [blackout]a long kiss between Batman and Catwoman in costume?[/blackout] Geekgasm time!

 

[herecomes]

I personally disagree with the concerns about Batman's voice in this. It is very clear this time around. Not anywhere near as bad as The Dark Knight.

I've only seen the trailers and clips but I also thought it was good. Also, I didn't have a problem with it the last time around but I know many people did, so hopefully for them this is a better experience.

 

[herecomes]

So there is [blackout]a long kiss between Batman and Catwoman in costume?[/blackout] Geekgasm time!

I read that over at the other forum but not here. Maybe there is one.

edit: Just saw that it was confirmed here too. Nice.