The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 4

[LostSon88]

I know I answered you in the other thread but since you're also repeating this point here...

Bruce wanted a life free of Gotham and The Batman. That's why he faked his death.

What is so hard for you to understand?

 

[GalleryOfRogues]

Also watching the Dark Knight the other day I only just understood the Riddler Reference in it.

The man who threatens to reveal batman is called Mister Reese, one of Riddler's code names, Mister Reese - Mysteries.

good call on the double meaning of the name. i thought that the Riddler would play a role in the Nolan universe after i saw the dark knight (perhaps a copy-cat to the Joker or a more realistic version of the character who became obsessed with learning Batman's true identity), and i remember all the mystery surrounding the role that Anthony Michael Hall was cast to play in the movie. I read interviews before TDK came out where he was very hush-hush about what his character was - after seeing the movie i got the impression that Nolan was setting him up to be a riddler-type character for the third installment (possibly learning batman's true identity from Mr. Reese). Turns out he was just a reporter.

What a great find though - cleared up my confusion about Anthony Michael Hall's absence in TDKR and makes Nolan's genius shine even brighter....useful shot my friend

 

[NigelHalsey]

Did the people of Gotham really assume that he was dead? If he wanted people to think that he died in the explosion, why go to all the trouble of putting a new bat signal on top of MCU or giving Blake the coordinates to the bat cave?

And how was Bruce's death explained?

 

[LostSon88]

The point was to show Gordon:

1. Bruce is still alive.
2. Batman will always be around.

It wasn't mentioned how Bruce's death was explained. Who cares…use your imagination.

 

[Anita18]

Did the people of Gotham really assume that he was dead? If he wanted people to think that he died in the explosion, why go to all the trouble of putting a new bat signal on top of MCU or giving Blake the coordinates to the bat cave?

And how was Bruce's death explained?

Gordon and Blake aren't exactly "the people of Gotham."

And as for your second question, remember: "Bane wants these guys for himself."

Most people would assume (from previous observations) that very few people would encounter Bane and live to tell the tale. Last time anyone, besides Lucius and Selina, saw Bruce Wayne, he was being led away by mercs. -shrug-

 

[Liam_H]

The bat signal was to tell Gordon he was still alive and Blake way to take up the mantle in some way.

His death could be explained by the raids on the rich by all those released inmates.

 

[UaalaDan]

I know I answered you in the other thread but since you're also repeating this point here...

Bruce wanted a life free of Gotham and The Batman. That's why he faked his death.

What is so hard for you to understand?

Because it makes no sense. He could've done all of that by simply giving up, passing the mantle to Blake and achieve pretty much the same thing. And in fact, this is what he did, isn't it? He gave up and started fresh.

So no...he made all his friends go through suffering for absolutely no reason.

 

[GalleryOfRogues]

One more flaw: There's absolutely no reason Batman needed to die. Had he used the auto-pilot and saved Gotham without faking his death, he would still be redeemed in the public eye because he SAVED Gotham from NUCLEAR DESTRUCTION AND EVERYBODY SAW IT.

If he wanted to give up, he could've just done it, passed the torch to Blake.

The only LOGICAL reason he died in the end is because of forced drama and to have a forced twist in the end to make the writers look smart.

first of all, Batman cannot die. He is not a man, but a symbol. That symbol can and must be capable of surviving a nuclear explosion - the only way for Bruce to show Gotham this was to fake his own death while under the cowl and then pass the mantle on to Blake - thus making a clear statement to Gothamites that Batman is immortal. It is the final and greatest act of theatricality and deception that Bruce uses while acting as Gotham's Dark Knight to ensure that no matter what form corruption takes, there will always be a silent guardian there to protect the people.

 

[NigelHalsey]

The point was to show Gordon:

1. Bruce is still alive.
2. Batman will always be around.

I already know these. I was pointing out that maybe some viewers just assume that Gothamites think Batman is dead.

It wasn't mentioned how Bruce's death was explained. Who cares…use your imagination.

Please. Cut with the attitude. It's an important detail. This is supposed to be the life and (supposed) death of Bruce Wayne/Batman.

 

[UaalaDan]

first of all, Batman cannot die. He is not a man, but a symbol. That symbol can and must be capable of surviving a nuclear explosion - the only way for Bruce to show Gotham this was to fake his own death while under the cowl and then pass the mantle on to Blake - thus making a clear statement to Gothamites that Batman is immortal. It is the final and greatest act of theatricality and deception that Bruce uses while acting as Gotham's Dark Knight to ensure that no matter what form corruption takes, there will always be a silent guardian there to protect the people.

So why didn't he tell his friends right away? Why make them go through all the suffering of a funeral if he was going to tell them 5 minutes later in the movie anyway?

Forced drama and twist with no logical explanation.

What a good friend and person he is, huh?

 

[GalleryOfRogues]

Can imagine what the people of Gotham would think the next time there is a Batman sighting - after having seen him fly off to what seemed like an inescapable doom?

It is the final piece in making Batman a true legend - truly immortal.

 

[NigelHalsey]

Gordon and Blake aren't exactly "the people of Gotham."

No. I know. He disappeared for his own reasons. He wanted the people he trusted to, in a way, know that he was alive. But the people of Gotham don't have that benefit. Nobody saw him die. Is it not in the realm of possibilty to assume that Gothamites think he's still around to be their ever vigilant protector.

Unless I missed something.t:

Most people would assume (from previous observations) that very few people would encounter Bane and live to tell the tale. Last time anyone, besides Lucius and Selina, saw Bruce Wayne, he was being led away by mercs. -shrug-

Of course. Thank you.

 

[Anita18]

So why didn't he tell his friends right away? Why make them go through all the suffering of a funeral if he was going to tell them 5 minutes later in the movie anyway?

Forced drama and twist with no logical explanation.

What a good friend and person he is, huh?

Going back to paranoid Bruce, perhaps he didn't trust them to act sad at the memorial or funeral which might have been publicized. So they really did have to believe he was dead until everything had died down.

That's certainly logical, isn't it?

Otherwise the jig was up and people might start to look for him, etc.

 

[LostSon88]

Please. Cut with the attitude. It's an important detail. This is supposed to be the life and (supposed) death of Bruce Wayne/Batman.

If so many of these posters (not necessarily directed at you) would stop needing an explanation for every single thing about this movie, maybe I wouldn't have such an attitude.

 

[UaalaDan]

Going back to paranoid Bruce, perhaps he didn't trust them to act sad at the memorial or funeral which might have been publicized. So they really did have to believe he was dead until everything had died down.

That's certainly logical, isn't it?

Otherwise the jig was up and people might start to look for him, etc.

No. It is simply making his friends suffer for absolutely no reason whatsoever. It is ridiculous.

 

[GalleryOfRogues]

Who cares when he told them. It was clear that he told them - and their suffering is not for nothing. They truly have lost their friend, the man, Bruce Wayne. He is gone - it's likely no one who knew the truth will ever see Selina and Bruce again after Alfred sees him in France.

 

[Broker]

Because it makes no sense. He could've done all of that by simply giving up, passing the mantle to Blake and achieve pretty much the same thing. And in fact, this is what he did, isn't it? He gave up and started fresh.

So no...he made all his friends go through suffering for absolutely no reason.

But he would still be Bruce Wayne. And I don't think he wanted to be Bruce Wayne any more.

 

[Anita18]

No. It is simply making his friends suffer for absolutely no reason whatsoever. It is ridiculous.

Well okay after I've tried to explain with logic like you've asked, I suppose there's no getting through.

 

[UaalaDan]

So he just said...i dont care about my friends and the person that raised me for 20 years....let them go through suffering and mourning. Let them waste money with a plane ticket to Florence. A simple phone call would've been enough, right?

See what I mean?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

In Batman Begins he disappeared for years and was declared dead and showed back up suddenly. It was never really explained in detail or went into. It is just something that LostSon88 said you have to just use your imagination for. Considering how many wealthy people were basically executed in Gotham during Bane's takeover you could just assume he was killed during that time period. It really isn't THAT hard to buy even with the lack of detail concerning it.

 

[Anita18]

So he just said...i dont care about my friends and the person that raised me for 20 years....let them go through suffering and mourning. Let them waste money with a plane ticket to Florence. A simple phone call would've been enough, right?

See what I mean?

Alfred was used to it, considering Bruce did the same exact thing before BB. It was only going full circle.

 

[UaalaDan]

No..my point is that why did he make all his friends suffer and mourn if he was going to tell them he was alive anyway? He could've called.

See, now you guys are trying to defend a plot-hole of the movie with the most bs explanations possible.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

So he just said...i dont care about my friends and the person that raised me for 20 years....let them go through suffering and mourning. Let them waste money with a plane ticket to Florence. A simple phone call would've been enough, right?

See what I mean?

The whole point is that he wanted Bruce Wayne to be dead so he could start a new life. Why is that so hard to understand? He could have called? "Oh hey guys I'm alive but keep it a secret. K thx bye never talking to you again. -Click- "

 

[LostSon88]

^I think that's exactly what he wanted. Lol.

So he just said...i dont care about my friends and the person that raised me for 20 years....let them go through suffering and mourning. Let them waste money with a plane ticket to Florence. A simple phone call would've been enough, right?

See what I mean?

Waste a plane ticket to Flourence?

Alfred stated that goes on vacation to Florence every year.

 

[Broker]

So he just said...i dont care about my friends and the person that raised me for 20 years....let them go through suffering and mourning. Let them waste money with a plane ticket to Florence. A simple phone call would've been enough, right?

See what I mean?

A call may have been traced which destroys the point of it really.

But I think you are just over-examining the issue.

It's obviously far more interesting from a theatrical perspective to have Lucius discover he had fixed the autopilot and make the connection, and for Alfred see them at the cafe.

It's a ploy used in lots of films and TV series.