TDKR vs Civil War

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The Dark Knight Rises vs Civil War

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  1. Tony Stark Armored Avenger!

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    The strange thing is I don't remember too much hand to hand combat in the others. Specifically in TDK the only stuff I remember was him in the warehouse fighting joker henchmen which he mostly used tactics to trap them. Then there's joker releasing the dogs on him and joker lands some punches with a compromised Batman, because joker was smart enough not to get into single combat.

    BB, I only remember a sword training fight with Ras and Bruce. I think he gets in some group combat with some henchmen.

    I could be remembering wrong but Bane/Batman fight is the only real single combat fighting I remember in the series.

    I would agree that overall in the series the fight choreography is overal weak, but it was never an emphasis in the other films as far as I can remember which is why it probably didn't bother me, but very much bothered me in TDKR as bad as it was.
     
  2. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Spot on regarding TDKR. I am not suggesting this was the posters intention, but ever time he has replied to me I feel he is telling me I simply can't like it.

    For comparisons sake, I don't think Casino Royale is that good, I think it's really over rated and have thought even more so over time. But not once have I told people they are wrong for liking it, or thinking it's the best Craig Bind movie as many do, and I never would.
     
  3. shauner111 Registered

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    I love Casino Royale :) you have to like it man! You just...HAVE TO!!
     
  4. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    :hehe: thanks, all of a sudden the movie seems better!
     
  5. metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    *lies*

    There are not still people who think the only "brave" way to end a franchise is to kill off the hero.

    */lies*

    :sly:

    ( I honestly think a good half the hatred for TDKR is from the ending. The crazier fans were perfectly willing to forgive any and all flaws. . . except for Batman winning, retiring, and getting a happy ending. That was the one unforgivable sin. )
     
  6. Infinity9999x Registered

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    To an extent I understand that. I respect Nolan for having the guts to end his Batman story...but on the same token I don't really feel like he earned the right to do a Batman "end" story. I mean, BB and TDK are about a rookie Bats, to then jump to a Dark Knight Returns-influenced Batman story felt very out of place. Part of me would have preferred he ended his trilogy in a more open ended way that would have allowed WB to build on it in a loose continuity the way the Bond films do.

    But then...looking at what WB have done with their universe, another part of me is perfectly fine with Nolan keeping his trilogy self contained.
     
  7. Awest66 Registered

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    I think that's very much what would have happened if someone else directed it.
     
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    I do think there is a generational thing with S:TM. I'm 27, so I grew up with it too, but I wasn't old enough to see it right when it came out. Still, I was in the generation when any Superhero film in live action was a big deal. It's really the silver-age humor that doesn't appeal to me as much. Which is probably why I've never been a huge fan of Spider-man 2.

    And I get where you're coming from with TDKR, it's just the stuff when you make it sound like your opinion is an accepted fact that it gets to be a bit much. Joker and I have debated Spider-man 2 various times over the 12 years I've frequented these boards, and I genuinely enjoy those debates, but I don't think he's ever thought that I've tried to pass off my opinions as what is the general public thought of the film. At least I don't think so.

    And I would actually agree that TDKR is the weakest of the trilogy, and the weakest of Nolan's films, that I've seen (I have yet to watch Insomnia), but the weakest of a great bunch of films is still a pretty good film. And that's how I view TDKR. A flawed film, but still a solid flick.
     
  9. Awest66 Registered

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    Equal again.
     
  10. pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    Goodness, I love seeing how neck and neck this poll is.

    I would love to have seen the poll be public. 135 hypesters on Team Bats, 135 hypesters on Team Cap.

    That's really interesting to see.
     
  11. Ivan Drago Do Not Want

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    I just voted CW. Hehehe.

    Someone had to do it.
     
  12. InCali I got a pUpgrade!

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    OMG!!! TDKR caught CW.......ahhhhhhhhh.....(runs around with hair on fire).

    LOL.

    They are both pretty good CB movies, but I give CW a decided edge. I didn't mind the ending (of TDKR). Overall, it just didn't grab me like the first 2 did. It started out good with the the jet scene and Bane, but I thought it went sort of downhill (not too slanted of a slope though) from there.
     
  13. OutOfBoose #ReleaseTheAyerCut

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    TDKR strikes back. )

    :up:
     
  14. InCali I got a pUpgrade!

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    You might even say that The Dark Knight.....Rises. :nuhu:
     
  15. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Amazing how close this thread has been throughout.
     
  16. Spider-Aziz Spelunking

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    It is a very satisfying conclusion to me, beats the dead character. I'm happier now after seeing it as the end of my Batman marathon, surely beats having something as 'Batman and sidekicks will continue' for that to be where the story is cut short, or rendering all equipment dysfunctional to return with new toys later.
     
  17. Ivan Drago Do Not Want

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    There's three movies I can think of where I feel critics were way too kind towards to.

    Star Trek into Darkness, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Dark Knight Rises.
     
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    I think Nolan's best work has all been outside the Batman franchise. I don't remember him making the kind of sloppy mistakes in his other movies that he made there. Action scenes with people falling over for no reason, villains that rely on the police being Police Academy level stupid, forgetting which character said what to whom, and so on. Now that he has a solid row of movies behind him I find some things in the Batman movies so strange for such a strong director.
     
  19. Spider-Aziz Spelunking

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  20. InCali I got a pUpgrade!

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    I didn't find TDK or BB sloppy. I'm not sure why, but he just doesn't seem to do the hand to hand fight scenes that well. It's puzzling to me. I thought the camera work in both TDK and TDKR was spectacular. I saw them in true IMAX and I had my heart in my throat during some of the scenes.

    I really want to see Dunkirk, but am undecided about actually seeing it. I just can't watch war movies. They depress me. I can watch John Wick slaughter 50 people in less than a minute, but show me a movie where people are killing each other in wartime and I get completely bummed out. :loco:
     
  21. Awest66 Registered

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    It used to drive me crazy back in the day when the same people went over TDKR with a fine-tooth comb for alleged movie-breaking problems gave TASM a pass on everything.
     
  22. Tony Stark Armored Avenger!

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    Please show me the posts on this. I know there were people on the Spider-man boards at the time who went ultra nuclear when some negative reviews came out, including a former hypester and Marvel employee who said it wasn't very good and he hasn't been back on the boards since.

    TDKR sucks and TASM sucked. More than one thing can be true.
     
  23. Tony Stark Armored Avenger!

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    I actually liked Into Darkness, but I understand it's criticisms. It really makes me mad how after the brilliant return of Star Trek in 2009 Paramount made it irrelevant again, just a few years later.
     
  24. Awest66 Registered

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    I wasn't referring to any specific online posts here.

    Strange how TDKR "sucks" yet has basically the same critical scores as Civil War.
     
  25. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    Good or bad is in the eye of the beholder. To him, it sucks. That is his right, and I am no fan of the movie either. Critoc scores and such prove nothing in the realm of artistic opinion
     

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