Tell Meltzer how you really feel about his JLA...

[twylight]

*hands GL1 a rope and a stool*

*runs off happy*

 

[Assassin]

Dinah is awesome, if the last issue didnt prove that, then you might as well kill yourself.

Allstar batman proved how awesome she is..

 

[Mee]

Allstar batman proved how awesome she is..

I don't think you can judge a character by how they are in that "book."

 

[jaydawg]

Dinah is quite awesome, but lets face it, she works best as a bird of prey or JSA member, not JLA. She should have stayed with Doc Midnite. I would have much prefered Nightwing to be the second "human" hero on the team. He's more than ready to join the ranks by now.

I wouldn't necessarily take anyone out of Meltzer's league, as I think everyone short of Arsenal and Hal deserves the spot, but I would at least add MM, John Stewart, Zatanna, Etrigan, one of speedsters still around and Aquaman. A psychic always comes in hand, this version of the league is sorely lacking in magical defenses and knowledge, you can't have a league without someone who can run fast or a king of the seas. Oh and Hal really sucks and already has his own boring book. No need to bring that dullness to the greatest team in comics. Besides, I'm a JLU ****e.

 

[XwolverineX]

Changes
1. Replace Arsenal with Green Arrow.

2. Replace Hawkgirl with Hawkman

3. Replace Vixen with Zatanna

4. Replace Hal Jordan with Kyle Rayner

5. Replace Black Lightning with the Martian Manhunter

6. Flash (Bart to show that him as the Flash can be well written)
Orin (since Aquanewb is going to be in the book for a while, have Orin be in the Justice League book once he turns back to normal)
Ray Palmer (since nothing is being done with him) or Ryan Choi (if he proves himself worthy)
Firestorm (Jason should really be put onto a serious version of the Justice League)
Plastic Man

Asides from the really disappointing roster, the writing and art is awesome.

I really like your 1-6. Especially 4.

 

[Darthphere]

All this Arsenal hate has me thinking....

 

[twylight]

Dinah is quite awesome, but lets face it, she works best as a bird of prey or JSA member, not JLA. She should have stayed with Doc Midnite. I would have much prefered Nightwing to be the second "human" hero on the team. He's more than ready to join the ranks by now.

I wouldn't necessarily take anyone out of Meltzer's league, as I think everyone short of Arsenal and Hal deserves the spot, but I would at least add MM, John Stewart, Zatanna, Etrigan, one of speedsters still around and Aquaman. A psychic always comes in hand, this version of the league is sorely lacking in magical defenses and knowledge, you can't have a league without someone who can run fast or a king of the seas. Oh and Hal really sucks and already has his own boring book. No need to bring that dullness to the greatest team in comics. Besides, I'm a JLU ****e.

I agree, just I like it put gently.

I wish she'd stay on the BoP.

HOWEVER, I don't think we should write her off just yet as a disposable part of the JLA. I hope Meltzer has plans for her to showcase her in her own way.

Also I don't know about Nightwing in the JLA, He's always been more interested in the smaller groups and while I never saw him taking on Batmans mantle as a loner I've never been able to see him with the higher level heroes.
I like his role on the Outsiders best.

*Also I always wanted her with Mid-Nite*

 

[droogiedroogie2]

And besides not everything is about power in the JLA. She's got more heart and knows her way around the Hero circle better than almost anyone. And while Bats, Roy and Hal might out-power her she's got way more of a connection to humanity than many of them.

Roy ****s anything that moves. Dude's got tons of connection to humanity. And I'd likewise say that you greatly misunderstand Batman and Hal if you don't think they have a very close connection to what it is to be human.

 

[jaydawg]

I agree, just I like it put gently.

I wish she'd stay on the BoP.

HOWEVER, I don't think we should write her off just yet as a disposable part of the JLA. I hope Meltzer has plans for her to showcase her in her own way.

Also I don't know about Nightwing in the JLA, He's always been more interested in the smaller groups and while I never saw him taking on Batmans mantle as a loner I've never been able to see him with the higher level heroes.
I like his role on the Outsiders best.

*Also I always wanted her with Mid-Nite*

But the thing about Nightwing, is he's pretty much the key to the entire DCU. He was the original sidekick. He was the first kid to grow up in costume. He was the one who helped create the TT and has always been the undisputed leader. EVERYONE in the superhero community looks up to him. He's respected by the big guns and he's loved by all the women. In fact, with all his experiences, I'd say he'd be the perfect leader for the JLA (other than Supes of course). He's got the trust of every level of the superhero community, the tactics of batman and he's been leading others in battle practically all his life. Hell, he lead the JLA at one point. If theres one "human" in the DCU who deserves to be on the JLA, its Nightwing. I'd argue even moreso than Batman.

 

[Darthphere]

Get over it. ROY *****ES!!!1

 

[droogiedroogie2]

I don't think you can judge a character by how they are in that "book."

True fact.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

But the thing about Nightwing, is he's pretty much the key to the entire DCU. He was the original sidekick. He was the first kid to grow up in costume. He was the one who helped create the TT and has always been the undisputed leader. EVERYONE in the superhero community looks up to him. He's respected by the big guns and he's loved by all the women. In fact, with all his experiences, I'd say he'd be the perfect leader for the JLA (other than Supes of course). He's got the trust of every level of the superhero community, the tactics of batman and he's been leading others in battle practically all his life. Hell, he lead the JLA at one point. If theres one "human" in the DCU who deserves to be on the JLA, its Nightwing. I'd argue even moreso than Batman.

If he hadn't learned everything he knows from Batman, you'd have a point there. Even the trust and respect part, he gets from a younger, less paranoid Batman.

 

[jaydawg]

Well I wouldn't say everything. The guy just fits in more with those paranormal, extraterrestrial adventures than Bats. Besides, everyone loves a little dick.

 

[BrianWilly]

If he hadn't learned everything he knows from Batman, you'd have a point there. Even the trust and respect part, he gets from a younger, less paranoid Batman.

Well actually...no. At least, not according to the two of them.

Batman: "You're ready to graduate. Leading the JLA proves it. You can handle bigger and better than you are now."
Nightwing: "Thanks. I had a good teacher, except for the interpersonal skills and ability to work with others. That was me."
-Obsidian Age

Bruce may have raised Dick with trust and respect, but Dick has cultivated that trust and respect to an absurdly greater degree than his mentor ever has. They both know it. It takes Batman an inordinate amount of effort to even admit that he has friends. Dick has no such liability.

 

[CLARKY]

Personally I'm glad there are so many girls in the team.And this is the one thing I don't want to change.
Well even if I prefer Zatanna than Vixen, I think Vixen is cool. I would rather see John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan but Hal Jordan is cool. I would rather see Oliver Queen instead of Arsenal ..... I really would.
And I would rather see Dinah Lance in the BoP instead of JL ; I think she found her place in the BoP.And I don't see the importance of Red Tornado. I'm quite opened to see few changes here and there, I'm not "locked" on specific characters but Black Lightning and red tornado and Arsenal??? instead of J'onn J'onz and/or Flash ......duh!
In the mean time I would have hate Bart Allen in the JL, and I think this team is dynamic so ....

 

[EdContradictory]

Red Tornado = Boring

100 Red Tornados = 100(Boring)

 

[GL1]

Dinah's detective background are so often forgotten and she's so often pushed to the side as Ollie's old ex that no one remembers that she's useful in so many different roles. Her martial arts skills should be *by now* up on par or even past Batman, especially after the little boost of training with Shiva's teacher. Also her powers are enough to shatter a mountain.

And besides not everything is about power in the JLA. She's got more heart and knows her way around the Hero circle better than almost anyone. And while Bats, Roy and Hal might out-power her she's got way more of a connection to humanity than many of them.

Ah... so *that's* what getting schooled feels like... wow.

 

[twylight]

Roy ****s anything that moves. Dude's got tons of connection to humanity. And I'd likewise say that you greatly misunderstand Batman and Hal if you don't think they have a very close connection to what it is to be human.

Let me put it this way.


If you were beaten to a pulp who would you run to for sympathy?

Bruce, Hal or Dinah?

Ah... so *that's* what getting schooled feels like... wow.

And I would rather see Dinah Lance in the BoP instead of JL ; I think she found her place in the BoP.

SO would I.
However with her leaving BoP and the way Simone has royally mucked up her personal life *al la Sin* I want her actually in a book any book. I'll take her however, just so long as she doens't get shafted for one over powered sheescake in red, white and blue.



And good grief..all this Arsenal whining..everyone wants to bring back the 'old' incarnations of the JLA in some form or another.

DC is trying to be 'fresh' as well as 'classic'. Something I think that thay are trying to meld together, and so far have done a good job of it. But it's not without error.

In trying to grasp the 'classic' Trinity formed JLA they've put Wondie, Bats and Supes in a type of heirarchy. It's almost like thay are overemphasizing those three. As for the others Arsenal, Vixen, Red Tornado, Hawkgirl etc..etc... they're trying to 'shake' things up a bit and it's obvious that somewhere down the road Roy is going to have massive character development when it comes to which team he should be on.

Also, besides character development some characters might be just 'off limits' because they have their own titles, or other writers might have first dibs on them. This might change down the road and ya'll will get the 'dream' JLA you want.

Personally I'm not one to complain. I'm facinated to discover how he's going to develop these characters *except the Trinity I am SO sick of them.*

 

[droogiedroogie2]

Let me put it this way.


If you were beaten to a pulp who would you run to for sympathy?

Bruce, Hal or Dinah?

None of them. I'd be doing shots with my boy Metamorpho.

And good grief..all this Arsenal whining..everyone wants to bring back the 'old' incarnations of the JLA in some form or another.

That's because the JLA is supposed to be the biggest, baddest, most iconic sum*****es in the DC stable. Sorry, Red Tornado, but that ain't you. That's the Trinity, Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, and J'onn, with a good chance of Green Arrow.

DC is trying to be 'fresh' as well as 'classic'. Something I think that thay are trying to meld together, and so far have done a good job of it. But it's not without error.

Yes, in general I support the new DC model.

Also, besides character development some characters might be just 'off limits' because they have their own titles, or other writers might have first dibs on them. This might change down the road and ya'll will get the 'dream' JLA you want.

Dude, it's the Goddamn Justice League. They should get dibs on any mother****er they want. Besides, Batman's holding down like four different books right now, and his ass is on the team. Same with Supes.

Personally I'm not one to complain. I'm facinated to discover how he's going to develop these characters *except the Trinity I am SO sick of them.*

Why?

 

[twylight]

That's because the JLA is supposed to be the biggest, baddest, most iconic sum*****es in the DC stable. Sorry, Red Tornado, but that ain't you. That's the Trinity, Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, and J'onn, with a good chance of Green Arrow.

So you never liked the JLA:YO set up?

Wow...

No offense but even Pre-Crisis the powerless Black Canary got more respect than this.



I know everyone liked the pre-crisis founding of the JLA, the Three 'big guns' and all and I'm sure when JLA:YO came out people were complaining about a group of practically 'unknowns' and 'underpowereds' making it up as a HUGE big deal.

But I honestly thought it made more sense.

Who better than to start a Superhero team than a group of people who needed the teamwork to actually win?

The Big Three can each on their own, *Within some reason for Batman* take down any type of threat.

Why?

I hate the Hype around them. And while I respect they are the 'originals', Superman the 'original' superhero. Wonder Woman the end-all-be-all for Heroines and Batman just plan bad***, I'm throughly sick of how they are Hyped up.

Why even bother with the other 100 other odd Heroines and Heroes in the Universe when it's clear that if you're on the JLA Supes, Bats and Wonder Woman will have the final say in the matter, or be the ones to dive in at last minute and be given the glory of the victory?

I know THAT is why I hardly ever read the JLA before this. I was never interested in the over-powered hero team. I like the teams that actually work together to over come something. Not a team who's enemies get harder and harder because their power level keeps spiking.

I like the teams that give equal ground for the powered and the lesser/non powered heroes and the JLA has never seemed to do that where Supes, Wondie and Bats are concerned.

 

[jaydawg]

That's a great point. I think its bull**** that JLA:YO is out of continuity myself.

 

[twylight]

...

Someone just said I had a great point! *even though someone will come in and shatter it in a few posts*

 

[droogiedroogie2]

So you never liked the JLA:YO set up?

Wow...

No offense but even Pre-Crisis the powerless Black Canary got more respect than this.

No, I didn't like that setup. The story's remarkably written, and I love all the characters, but that ain't the League. I am so, so, so, so tired of writers that try to make the League into a showcase for third-stringers and second-stringers and low-on-the-totem-pole first-stringers. You want to make that lesser-known character popular? Fine, go work on his book and make it incredible. Don't waste my Justice League on him.

I know everyone liked the pre-crisis founding of the JLA, the Three 'big guns' and all and I'm sure when JLA:YO came out people were complaining about a group of practically 'unknowns' and 'underpowereds' making it up as a HUGE big deal.

But I honestly thought it made more sense.

Who better than to start a Superhero team than a group of people who needed the teamwork to actually win?

The Big Three can each on their own, *Within some reason for Batman* take down any type of threat.

I see your point, but I still disagree. The Justice League, when it was first imagined, was a teamup of the big guns. It was a celebration of the characters that kicked a whole mess o' buttcrack.

I hate the Hype around them. And while I respect they are the 'originals', Superman the 'original' superhero. Wonder Woman the end-all-be-all for Heroines and Batman just plan bad***, I'm throughly sick of how they are Hyped up.

Why even bother with the other 100 other odd Heroines and Heroes in the Universe when it's clear that if you're on the JLA Supes, Bats and Wonder Woman will have the final say in the matter, or be the ones to dive in at last minute and be given the glory of the victory?

That's not how it is at all. I don't understand why you feel that way. For example, this arc of Justice League is intended, in some ways, to prove that the League's going to form on its own, regardless of what three people in a cave think they're deciding.

Yes, the trinity are the undisputed leaders of the hero community. That's how it is. Every community has leaders.

I know THAT is why I hardly ever read the JLA before this. I was never interested in the over-powered hero team. I like the teams that actually work together to over come something. Not a team who's enemies get harder and harder because their power level keeps spiking.

I really don't know what you're talking about.

I like the teams that give equal ground for the powered and the lesser/non powered heroes and the JLA has never seemed to do that where Supes, Wondie and Bats are concerned.

That's because it's the JLA! They deal with planet-sized threats, the type of **** that you need all the big guns for, the type of **** that Black Canary and Arsenal just aren't cut out for yet, if they ever will be.

 

[twylight]

Then we agree to disagree.
I wish you a miserable life and here's hoping you die before spawning offspring.
However, don't EVER insult Dinah. EVER.

 

[Darthphere]

Snapsizzle!