Terminator Salvation: Box Office Prediction/Discussion

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

We love movies like Paul Blart: MallCop and countless other dumb comedies that I won't even get into...Uh so no, we aren't into good artful movies either alot of the time.

Spider-Man 3 made more than TDK overseas despite the fact that TDK was the second highest grossing movie here so yeah... Pretty Special effects and big loud and dumb are the order of the day for the overseas audience even more so than it is here.

Thats not a dig, it's the truth. I have no idea why you take such offense to me saying that? I come down hard on American filmgoers too so this song ain't about just people overseas.

Seesh, I'm not calling ya'll mindless idiots at all because honestly cinema isn't that important. Stop taking it personally dude. I love you and every other cool person in the world.

I have to agree with the other guy, I think thats ******** ISS, Star Trek has made more here in the UK than Wolverine has, and the first 2 Terminator movies are extremely popular here while i dont get that vibe from the US but they were anything but just loud noises and explosions.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

how can skynet send HK's through time? Only living tissue can pass through the time traveling device

has this guy honestly ever seen T1 or T2?

Exactly, they just need to scrap the time-travel aspect all together now and keep it as the future war, IF we get more.

 

[Alonsovich]

Big movies full of explosions or special effects do well overseas because
1) explosions have no language barrier
2) there is no equivalent local product because of the production costs

When people are looking for smaller, intelligent movies or comedies they are often better served by local films.

That said, the majority of comic book movies underperform overseas compared with other blockbusters.

Thanks... what people there don't get is... we don't need JJ Abrams to give us a story... we have Von Trier, Almodovar, Hirschbiegel, Herzog, Kitano and many others for that... we already have our own for story, and way superior in that matter to Abrams and Co. , mind you...

We DO care about a story here... even more so that a US audience...

 

[Charlie The Red]

I'm glad I SEE SPIDEY's not the President. I love you but your foreign policy sucks.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I mean, Hellboy underperformed (not bombed like TS), but it got a sequel 4 years later. Universal snagged the rights to future sequels to Hellboy, and Fox did the same for the Chronicles of Narnia (Prince Caspian underperformed badly, just like TS is now) after Disney refused to co-finance and distribute the third pic.

Prince Caspian was just one under-performer compared to the $800 million grossing first film. It doesn't even compare to Terminator because Rise of the Machines under-performed and Salvation and the tv series Sarah Connor Chronicles both flopped. That's three chances this franchise has had now. It's over.

As for HellBoy, where's the third film? Because no one has been beating down del Toro's door to make it after The Golden Army under-performed like the first film. Same thing with Hulk. Two under-performing films, and that franchise is dead.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

i also dont think a sequel is ccming.

but what suprises me is that some people are still writting MCG and sequel in the same post.
even if a sequel would happen i dont think MCG would be the director. its not like TS was to smart for people and thats why it bombed.

so really MCG and terminator sequel...................NO

People are writing McG and sequel in the same post because he's already signed on to direct the sequel. It's a done deal. If a sequel happens, McG will be at the helm.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

People are writing McG and sequel in the same post because he's already signed on to direct the sequel. It's a done deal. If a sequel happens, McG will be at the helm.

Not really. Contracts get thrown out all the time. Case in point: Bryan Singer won't be directing the next Superman film even though he signed on the dotted line to do so.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Not really. Contracts get thrown out all the time. Case in point: Bryan Singer won't be directing the next Superman film even though he signed on the dotted line to do so.

That's very true but at the moment McG is signed on to make another film, which is what I was pointing out to dark b was the reason people are associating McG with a potential sequel.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

If anything, McG might "suddenly" opt to not direct 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo even though he's signed up and has been in pre-production on it since the beginning of this year. AKA: Disney fired his ass.

Playing Devil's advocate here. But if there is a Terminator 5 (even though there won't be), the studio isn't going to let McG return to directing duties after the way Salvation flopped.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

the first 2 Terminator movies are extremely popular here while i dont get that vibe from the US

I don't know where you're getting that impression but they are VERY popular over here.

Thanks... what people there don't get is... we don't need JJ Abrams to give us a story... we have Von Trier, Almodovar, Hirschbiegel, Herzog, Kitano and many others for that... we already have our own for story, and way superior in that matter to Abrams and Co. , mind you...

We DO care about a story here... even more so that a US audience...

You really shouldn't complain about somebody else being pretentious for putting down a foreign audience and then do the exact same thing a few posts later.

 

[Carnotaur3]

6 mil by 1980's numbers...with inflation, that is a lot more. And yes, T1 was made on a smaller budget and works, but T2 changed the dynamic of the series perception and added spectacle.

And a smaller budget Terminator film set in the future would be difficult to manage. Cause this future has MORE machines than any of the first 3 films. What are we going to do? Send them in time to the past again to keep the cost down? So much for a Future Wars series.

6 million dollars in inflation doesn't even come close to T2, T3 or TS budget.

It wouldn't be quite as difficult as you'd think. Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, even though I really did not care for the series, did really well with the look of their future war. For their budget, it was fine. The shots weren't that dynamic though, but that's because they shoot and they go.

There are ways around it. It's just going to take old school effects and inventive thinking. T5, if they go with it and if it's low budget, might not be as epic and sweeping as TS, but they might be better for it.

All this talking and I realize that a really low budget T5 will never be in the cards. If anything, the lowest budget T5 could have is 130 to 150 mill.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't know where you're getting that impression but they are VERY popular over here.

Well, the fact that T3 and TS were/are doing superbly overseas and not in the US is a strong indicator.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Well, the fact that T3 and TS were/are doing superbly overseas and not in the US is a strong indicator.

Regardless of individual opinion, T3 and TS seem to be generally regarded as vastly inferior sequels and that their relatively low US box offices are a result of audiences just not wanting to see mediocre films rather than some ambivalence towards Terminator in general.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

If anything, McG might "suddenly" opt to not direct 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo even though he's signed up and has been in pre-production on it since the beginning of this year. AKA: Disney fired his ass.

Playing Devil's advocate here. But if there is a Terminator 5 (even though there won't be), the studio isn't going to let McG return to directing duties after the way Salvation flopped.

The studio(s) can't fire McG, since his deal isn't with them but with Halcyon. It's up to Anderson and Kubicek. They pretty much control the franchise and run the show.

 

[Cain]

Regardless of individual opinion, T3 and TS seem to be generally regarded as vastly inferior sequels and that their relatively low US box offices are a result of audiences just not wanting to see mediocre films rather than some ambivalence towards Terminator in general.

truth.com

 

[dark_b]

The studio(s) can't fire McG, since his deal isn't with them but with Halcyon. It's up to Anderson and Kubicek. They pretty much control the franchise and run the show.

no offense but jamie and showtime know more about this

i understand that you dont know everyone here on SHH. but read what he and other have wrotte. that way it will be easier.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

no offense but jamie and showtime know more about this

i understand that you dont know everyone here on SHH. but read what he and other have wrotte. that way it will be easier.

Halcyon owns the franchise. They control it. As far as McG goes, his sequel contract is with them, not with WB/Sony. How is any of that incorrect?

 

[BestGirl]

If anything, McG might "suddenly" opt to not direct 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Captain Nemo even though he's signed up and has been in pre-production on it since the beginning of this year. AKA: Disney fired his ass.

Playing Devil's advocate here. But if there is a Terminator 5 (even though there won't be), the studio isn't going to let McG return to directing duties after the way Salvation flopped.

Just as well.

 

[dark_b]

i wont be back

 

[Evil Twin]

Thanks... what people there don't get is... we don't need JJ Abrams to give us a story... we have Von Trier, Almodovar, Hirschbiegel, Herzog, Kitano and many others for that... we already have our own for story, and way superior in that matter to Abrams and Co. , mind you...

We DO care about a story here... even more so that a US audience...

No offense, but the world wide box office charts don't support that statement for anyone other than Miyazaki. Herzog is less of a draw in Germany than the big new American film. Same for everyone else.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm glad I SEE SPIDEY's not the President. I love you but your foreign policy sucks.

Aww you love me. :heart: lol

i wont be back

 

[Darth Elektra]

i wont be back

Lol.

 

[Rishi]

so what should they do....................leave it alone. stop making terminator movies.

because i was insulted with the ending of choppa's flying and connor talking about some faith or something.

fate. FATE

people are calling this ending lazy? its basically a retread of T2, but instead of a dark road its a dark horizon with helicoptors flying around

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Stop comparing this choppy peice of trash to T2 and T1 for that matter.

I mean you can love Terminator Salvation till the cows come home and think that either T2 and T1 are overrated or just T2 or just T1 but one thing is forsure; Those movies have better direction, coherent scripts and better performances in them. Not saying that they were Oscar worthy or perfect but with the expection of Furlong (who was a first timer so there was an excuse) the performances were still better. And I'm not even a big fan of Behin as an actor but he was better than Bale and Worthington were IMHO.

 

[bullets]

Stop comparing this choppy peice of trash to T2 and T1 for that matter.

Some people enjoyed it as much and it is a sequel .. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.