Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[dark_b]

maybe they liked what they saw. but i dont think they liked the numbers.

 

[Terminator]

Then there's no guarantee they'd want to buy it.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I would have liked a animated movie based on the different soliders fighting judgment day

 

[Steel Thunder]

Lol. it was a **** movie anyway.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Fox will get it, and the franchise will get even worse.

Back in 1997, Fox was actually trying to purchase the rights from Carolco's bankruptcy auction and they we're negotiating with both James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger, to bring them both back for T3.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

There's no way in hell that it's worth $60 million. I love Terminator and all, but let's be realistic.

This.

 

[daywalker2007]

the franchise is not even worth a dollar.
its finished.

McG sodomised it, end of story.

Wait 15 years, then let the next James Cameron do a remake.

 

[marvelman2006]

the franchise is not even worth a dollar.
its finished.

McG sodomised it, end of story.

Wait 15 years, then let the next James Cameron do a remake.

I agree, except mcg didnt sodomise the franchise...T3 did. there really isnt anything more to tell with this franchise as far as what happens. I say leave it at this and move on to something new. I dont understand for the life of me why people and companies insist on beating a dead cow.

 

[lzzy]

the franchise is not even worth a dollar.
its finished.

McG sodomised it, end of story.

Wait 15 years, then let the next James Cameron do a remake.

Funnily enough, Cameron sold the rights to The Terminator to Gale Anne Hurd for a dollar so he could secure the right to direct it.
In a perfect world, James Cameron would return to wipe away the stink of **** that was T3 and TS. But the man's moved on. He was gonna tidy up the Alien series but then they made AVP

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Part of me wants Avatar to tank badly so maybe Cameron would come back to Terminator. I still don't know why he would leave the franchise. I heard from his own mouth that he wanted to do another Terminator movie. Why would you abandon something your created, even if you get the chance to take it back after you lost it.

 

[BestGirl]

I agree, except mcg didnt sodomise the franchise...T3 did. there really isnt anything more to tell with this franchise as far as what happens. I say leave it at this and move on to something new. I dont understand for the life of me why people and companies insist on beating a dead cow.

There is a story to tell about the future war, about Kyle being sent back to the past, about John and Kyle learning to become warriors. TS just didn't do much of that. I still think the series has potential, but two subpar movies in a row has really tainted the franchise.

 

[Warhammer]

Part of me wants Avatar to tank badly so maybe Cameron would come back to Terminator. I still don't know why he would leave the franchise. I heard from his own mouth that he wanted to do another Terminator movie. Why would you abandon something your created, even if you get the chance to take it back after you lost it.

Because even though James Cameron said he wanted to make a third Terminator film a few times after the second one came out, eventually, he didn't make it because his story was over. He didn't leave nor abandon the franchise. He ended it because he was done with what he had to tell, then somebody decided they were going to continue it and make a third film anyway (hence why Cameron was not involved).

The sad thing is that this whole fiasco is partially Cameron's fault because he didn't have the rights secured to his own franchise/story (there is some reason why, but I forgot). If he did, nobody would have made T3 except for himself if he chose to.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I hope someone like WB gets it.

Same here, but the rumors are Sony Studios may pick it up...

Terminator Franchise For Sale
By Dave Gonzales on September 29, 2009

Halcyon Holding Group, owned by Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek, exists mainly to hold the rights to the Terminator franchise they bought in 2007 for $25 million dollars. When James Cameron was making the original, the rights were spilt: 50% to the production company Hemdale Film Corp and 50% to the producer, and Cameron's future wife, Gale Anne Hurd. Hurd's portion of the Terminator rights cost her $1.

In 1990, Carolco Pictures dropped $10 million dollars for Hemdale's stake in Terminator and brought Cameron back for Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Seven years later, Carolco went bankrupt. The owners of Carolco, Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna, started a new company that rose from the wreckage of Carolco called C2 Pictures. C2 bought the Terminator rights at auction from Carolco's rotting corpse for $8 million dollars, then managed to track down Hurd and get her to give up her 50% stake for $7 million (this would have been around the same time Titanic was hitting theaters and Cameron could have cared less about Terminator).

C2 brought us T3: Rise of the Machienes, blew up the world and called it a day. In a surprising deal in 2007, C2 sold off the Terminator franchise to Halcyon Holding Group who immediately trumpeted a "new trilogy" set in the future.

They hired McG and...yeah...we know how that turned out.

Now Halcyon Holding Group has gone to bankruptcy court after the hedge fund that helped them buy Terminator and seeded some working capitol while the movie was started up wants their money. The hedge fund is called Pacificor, LLC and they want $32 million dollars, even though Halcyon says they only owe $4 million.

Pacificor isn't Halcyon's only outstanding debt, so the question now becomes: how much are the Terminator rights worth and who wants to buy them? Halcyon says Terminator is worth $60 million now, but that's what you say when you want to clear all your debts with one sale. Terminator Salvation hasn't come out on DVD yet, so profits from that film could still roll in. As for the future of the Terminator franchise: it would be up to whomever cut the new check.

Rumors have Sony looking at the property, since they distributed Salvation worldwide and might have a better idea of the value Terminator is going to fetch on the market.

What Halycon and Terminator fans need is a studio or group who sees the future value in the franchise as much as the current value, because we're only one film into the "new trilogy" and it was a lackluster first step.

This has been your Tuesday morning legal summation. I need some more coffee now.

I dont think it really depends on the studio. WB messed up too. They did T Salvation. Nuff said

WB did not produce Terminator Salvation, they distributed it in America and Sony Overseas.

Get it right.

 

[lzzy]

Because even though James Cameron said he wanted to make a third Terminator film a few times after the second one came out, eventually, he didn't make it because his story was over. He didn't leave nor abandon the franchise. He ended it because he was done with what he had to tell, then somebody decided they were going to continue it and make a third film anyway (hence why Cameron was not involved).

The sad thing is that this whole fiasco is partially Cameron's fault because he didn't have the rights secured to his own franchise/story (there is some reason why, but I forgot). If he did, nobody would have made T3 except for himself if he chose to.

He had to sell the rights to Gale Anne Hurd so he could secure the right to direct the first film, otherwise Orion wasn't gonna let him. Sad thing is, Cameron almost agreed to helm another Terminator, but he asked Kassar and Vajna for two things - to do it in his own time, and to have complete creative control. Well, Vajna and Kassar wanted out of debt quickly, so they refused the first, and they already had a script, so they denied the second. So Cameron passed. As he said, 'making a movie from someone's else's script in a universe I ****ing originated held no appeal for me whatsoever.'

 

[marvelman2006]

There is a story to tell about the future war, about Kyle being sent back to the past, about John and Kyle learning to become warriors. TS just didn't do much of that. I still think the series has potential, but two subpar movies in a row has really tainted the franchise.

ok thats fair but can i ask you a question? do we really need to see those things? cant we just leave kyle going back in time and them learning to become warriors to our imaginations?

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

no?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Part of me wants Avatar to tank badly so maybe Cameron would come back to Terminator. I still don't know why he would leave the franchise.

Because he viewed it as complete and it was "been there done that" from that point on.

Personally, I am praying Avatar does 400/1 billion, but unfortunatly I don't think the CGI will be good enough for that to happen. But we need more bold directors to grow some balls and deliver their unique visions and spectacular imaginations on the big screen. We need ORIGINAL stuff. We can't keep milking these decade(s) old franchises. Terminator has come and gone. Jurrassic Park has come and gone. Indiana Jones/Star Wars have come and gone (sorry to break it to ya George). Spielberg hasn't done anything good since Minority Report as far as epic CGI movies (WotW was garbage). Jackson hasn't done much since LOTR although District 9 was a start. We need more of those films and fresh directors to step up to the plate. Just because a movie deals with space ships and aliens and other worlds far far away doesn't mean it can't be original. It doesn't need to be based off a cartoon, or a comic, or a video game, just come up with something different. I am sure there are near endless ideas out there that Hollywood continues to shove down the trash can because it's not proven franchise material.

 

[BestGirl]

ok thats fair but can i ask you a question? do we really need to see those things?

No, but technically we didn't need T1 and T2 either. No one needs movies. I want to see the future war, though.

cant we just leave kyle going back in time and them learning to become warriors to our imaginations?

If Cameron had his way that's what would happen, but I still think there's an interesting story to that could be told.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I understand your need Rach but my interest for another Terminator movie died after seeing Salvation. I think that the series just needs to die.

 

[BestGirl]

I can't say that I'm terribly excited for another one either, but I might be if McG were canned and new writers were hired.

 

[Terminator]

I could deal with a McG T5 if they didn't actually go with his idea and just skipped to 2029.

You know from what I remember..he did a great job with the action scenes. I don't really remember any shaky cam or quick cuts. Viewable action is pretty rare these days.

 

[Rishi]

He did an amazing job with the action.

Even the somber scenes (what few of them there were) were shot greatly... the problem was with the script/direction of the actors/acting. And McG's lies during promotion.

 

[CELTICPRED]

The opening helicopter crash sequence was still pretty awesome. They featured it in Cinefex's last issue.

 

[CelticPredator]

I did love that scene. Very well done. The end fight is cool too...but the rest of the movie is butt.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Too bad a good movie isn't just a bunch of random good scenes.