Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[JewishHobbit]

Why the heck would Magneto go to all that trouble to pretend to be Xorn for months just so he could infilitrate the X-men? He was living with 3 of the MOST powerful telepaths in the world (one with Phoenix level power) and not one of them had any inkling that Xorn was the man that they have known for years and have fought with and against?

He became Xorn so that he could get into the inner workings of the X-Men and learn how to take them out before he takes out New York, that way they can't stop him like they have every other time they've faught. He created the Xorn persona for that perpous and his mask was designed so that his thoughts couldn't be read, thus, the telepaths weren't a problem. And lastly, he created the "star for a brain" idea so that he'd never have a reason to take it off. Makes sense to me.

He wanted to turn NY into a New Genosha. Fine. But what was the point of creating the Xorn persona? He could have done the same thing he did without doing that. Seemed more like a huge waste of his time to put in all that extra effort. That reveal was for shock value and nothing else. And Xorn's powers were healing powers. How the hell did Magneto manage that?

If he just tried to turn New York into New Genosha off the cuff, the whole X-Men Team would be there to stop him, as usual. His infiltrating them as Xorn took out that possibility. I think it was atually kinda genious. And he never had healing powers. If you look at how Xorn used his powers, they were only metalic based. When asked to heal someone in a way that Magneto couldn't mock, he found a way out of it. It was kinda cool to go back and see it after the fact.

And his army were children? Thats not Magneto's style. He has enough adult followers with experience who would have fought along side him. He doesnt use children on the front lines like that. When he almost killed Kitty back in the 80s, he felt majorly guilty for that bc she was so young.

I will agree that this was a bit of a stretch for him, but it was done well enough in the comic to make it believable for the story.

He goes about things the wrong way, but Mags for the most part makes sense. The Magneto in Planet X was just plain crazy. I guess that can be blamed on the Kick. And his reasoning for the attack on NY was bc of what happened to Genosha, well it was a mutant who did that, not a human! Seemed his anger was misdirected

To this day, most do not know that Cassandra Nova directed the attack. Almost everyone thought it as the humans who sent the sentinels. It would make sense that Magneto would to.

Overall I thought the story was beautifully done. There were some shady parts, but I just thought it was phenominal. I hated that they wiped most of it away now and had the whole Xorn mixup, but the story itself was phenominal... and a great read.

 

[Havok83]

Thanks for taking the tiem to write htat up JewishHobbit. I can see your points on it, but Im still overall not satisfied with the Magneto that Morrison wrote.

We're just saying some of us agree with him about how Mags turned into a wimp over the years.

He was pretty hardcore in the Magneto War and Eve of Destruction without being so over the top like he was in Planet X

Ah c'mon, who HASN'T killed off Jean?

It's not the villains fault... She's really just too much of a plot killer to keep around.

Um everyone else. Xorneto was the only villian that has killed Jean

 

[iamlegend]

Thanks for taking the tiem to write htat up JewishHobbit. I can see your points on it, but Im still overall not satisfied with the Magneto that Morrison wrote.

He was pretty hardcore in the Magneto War and Eve of Destruction without being so over the top like he was in Planet X

Um everyone else. Xorneto was the only villian that has killed Jean

I was really referring to Morrison more than anything else... Jean's died under a number of them, no?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Overall I thought the story was beautifully done. There were some shady parts, but I just thought it was phenominal. I hated that they wiped most of it away now and had the whole Xorn mixup, but the story itself was phenominal... and a great read.

Wouldn't go for 'beautifully', but definitely on the 'thumbs up' side.

Gotta go somewhat with Havok on how infiltrating the school was somewhat of a questionable move considering how he, hum... murdered Jean that easily. 'With the mere flick of finger' wouldn't even be that far from how it played out.

 

[Havok83]

Wouldn't go for 'beautifully', but definitely on the 'thumbs up' side.

Gotta go somewhat with Havok on how infiltrating the school was somewhat of a questionable move considering how he, hum... murdered Jean that easily. 'With the mere flick of finger' wouldn't even be that far from how it played out.

and also as far as breaking the team down, I also had a problem bc like Whedon, Morrison ignored the fact that there were other X-men at the mansion. What about Austen's team with Iceman, Northstar, Juggernaut, Husk, Jubilee, Archangel, Nightcrawler, Polaris and Havok? Thats alot of X-men, yet they were conveniently not even mentioned. And then there were other mutant heroes living there as well such as the original New Mutants but Morrison made it seem like it was only his 5 and the new students that were around to defend the mansion and NY

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They were, hum, having adventures in Europe. Or something.

 

[OutcryX]

thats what the editorial office does..they bend over for the 'superstar' writers, allowing them to do just about anything they want, screwing continuity in the process, while when it come to a lesser known writer, they are all up in their ass, essentially puppetizing them to do the editorial's bidding.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So, what, would Bru and Carey qualify as semi-superstars??

Aside from not spoiling AXM, there hasn't exactly been any ball and chain.

 

[OutcryX]

So, what, would Bru and Carey qualify as semi-superstars??

Aside from not spoiling AXM, there hasn't exactly been any ball and chain.

actually..they would. you are very observant Darth.

 

[Specter313]

I don't get this. How does not referencing other teams cause continuity problems? It seems to me that forcing references of other teams into the stories would create continuity glitches if they didn't gel with what the other teams are doing at the time. Astonishing can get away with not talking about the other teams, not because Whedon is the writer, but because the other teams aren't there. Even before Carey and Bru, the Uncanny team was still working like the XSE, a mutant police force who was running around in a bunch of other places that weren't the mansion, and the adjectiveless title was essentially a strike force that went around on missions. Now, the Uncanny team was in space and the adjectiveless team was running around in the Conquistador, so yes, it made perfect sense not to include the other teams, especially with the delay problems with Cassaday's art.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

actually..they would. you are very observant Darth.

Well, the fact that they don't go on neverending rants regarding the editors' dictatorial agenda was sort of a dead giveaway.

 

[OutcryX]

Is Cassaday a one armed, no necked chimp that can only create when high on a morphine/banana cocktail? i do not see how he can be consistently late like this. his art isnt even that good, IMHO

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Not involving the other teams was pretty much *the only way* to not screw up continuity, actually...

 

[Havok83]

I don't get this. How does not referencing other teams cause continuity problems? It seems to me that forcing references of other teams into the stories would create continuity glitches if they didn't gel with what the other teams are doing at the time. Astonishing can get away with not talking about the other teams, not because Whedon is the writer, but because the other teams aren't there. Even before Carey and Bru, the Uncanny team was still working like the XSE, a mutant police force who was running around in a bunch of other places that weren't the mansion, and the adjectiveless title was essentially a strike force that went around on missions. Now, the Uncanny team was in space and the adjectiveless team was running around in the Conquistador, so yes, it made perfect sense not to include the other teams, especially with the delay problems with Cassaday's art.

When AXM began, I can understand the UXM team a bit bc they did travel, but the team on X-men for the most part stayed in and around the mansion. Shoot Emma became the unofficial 6th member of that team as she was always with them Morrison rarely referenced any other X-men aside from Murder at the Mansion and Whedeon never has at all and it makes little sense especially since all the other writers at the time used their characters in their book and didnt ignore whatever else was going on. That to me, makes everything seem more fluid and complete and not like each team is like in their own seperate universe, which is how I feel about AXM

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Is Cassaday a one armed, no necked chimp that can only create when high on a morphine/banana cocktail? i do not see how he can be consistently late like this. his art isnt even that good, IMHO

Hahaha, seriously.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Is Cassaday a one armed, no necked chimp that can only create when high on a morphine/banana cocktail? i do not see how he can be consistently late like this. his art isnt even that good, IMHO

A study just might be in order. Nice mental pic, eh. t: t: t:

 

[Specter313]

So, according to the last page in the first Endangered Species back up, Beast will be consulting the following people during the other back up stories:

Pandemic
MODOK
Kavita Rao
Mojo
Dark Beast
Sinister
High Evolutionary
Arnim Zola
Dr. Doom

Very interesting possibilities here.

 

[squeekness]

Looking forward to seeing Dark Beast again. He always intrigued me.

 

[javon]

^He's evil or something? Thats where the "dark" part puts my mind.

 

[squeekness]

Dark Beast is McCoy's AoA alternate who managed to get over to 616 somehow. There's something rather cool about an evil Henry McCoy.

 

[javon]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Damn I hate being confused

 

[squeekness]

He had a brief reappearance in New Excalibur.


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[OutcryX]

I bet Beast gets sooo jealous when he looks at Dark beast and sees how much cooler he is looks wise

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't believe Reed couldn't help Hank but one of these guys can,

 

[AndThePickles]

I can't believe Reed couldn't help Hank but one of these guys can,

They might have less...humane methods.