Personally I wouldn't count Biden out. He's gotten a reputation as a goof since, but I remember ppl on these boards calling him grandpa badass after his rumble with Palin. Then again, Ryan, while lacking her charisma, is a lot smarter than Palin. I think Ryan will come off as the aggressor, but Biden will hold his own fairly well. Plus Biden should be far less afraid to attack Ryan on things Obama was afraid to attack Romney over, and probably had a fire lit under him by the Obama campaign to do well. My guess is this one will be close to a tie, and the winner will be based person to person on party line. Though I doubt the VP debates change anything. The worst that can happen is Ryan revive the Ryan plan debacle by defending it, or Biden appear inept and ramble...neith of which will decide the election. Though it could provide a few fun soundbites.
Personally, I want Ryan to lose big. I'd feel the same if he was a Dem, Libertarian, Green, or any other party. It's just like last election, as down as I was on McCain, and am on Romney, I like Palin, and Ryan far less. Aside from definitely not being a fan of what little political record Ryan has, nor liking his biggest "achievement" the Ryan plan, I find him smug, and hypocritical (which I know most politicians are). It's just that his thing is cutting entitlements, but he lived on, and went to college because of social security. It may be petty, but I'd like to see him knocked down a peg, and gain some humility
