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Action-Adventure The 26th James Bond Film

How to continue the Bond Franchise?

  • Reboot everything

    Votes: 51 67.1%
  • New Bond actor, same cast

    Votes: 15 19.7%
  • Keep the code name but pass it on to someone else

    Votes: 6 7.9%
  • Kill the franchise

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    76
And to be honest, I'm not mad about it. Kinda used to it by now with the long waits between movies during the Craig tenure but at the same time I'm not exactly chomping at the bit for a reboot either. Let them take as much time as they need. Looking back, the first outing for a new Bond actor has never really disappointed so they don't need to rush it and mess up that streak.

Speaking of, that also got me thinking. By default and I'd also say arguably, the worst first Bond movie for any of the actors was Live and Let Die and even that's one of Moore's better ones.
 
This is why the franchise is dying, they aren't doing enough to create new generations of fans. It's been nearly 20 years since Craig was cast and they still haven't announced his replacement.

I'm all for taking time to make something great, but the time that was put into No Time to Die didn't exactly result in a flawless product.
 
I don't know how the franchise is dying even though the last three films have made by far the most money the franchise has seen, and the last one during a pandemic nonetheless. It was number two in that year's box office, only behind No Way Home.

Also No Time to Die faced numerous problem in pre-production, during filming, in post-production and on release. The fact that it came out as good as it was, is a sort of miracle.
 
Bond has a ceiling in the US (only two films have earned $200m or more), and the last two entries have earned less than the last one (both domestically and internationally), despite the budgets increasing. I also don't think it's a reach to say Bond's audience is older than most other modern franchises, and the time between releases isn't doing the brand any favors.
 
Bond has a ceiling in the US (only two films have earned $200m or more), and the last two entries have earned less than the last one (both domestically and internationally), despite the budgets increasing. I also don't think it's a reach to say Bond's audience is older than most other modern franchises, and the time between releases isn't doing the brand any favors.
That may be but
1) US is an important market, not the only market. It's been doing fantastic number overseas.
2) No Time to Die would have performed much better if it wasn't for the pandemic and one of the busiest months in Hollywood history. The film was squeezed between Venom, Dune and Halloween, among other things.
3) Budget for the last film was significantly higher due to the aforementioned production problems. It would cost much less if hadn't lost a director at the last moment and they didn't have to start from scratch.
4) The franchise has been going on for more than 60 years. It's the most consistent there is. The fact that it had performed that greatly in the last three movies says something. There are no actual signs of losing audience.

Let's talk again after the reboot.
 
And to be honest, I'm not mad about it. Kinda used to it by now with the long waits between movies during the Craig tenure but at the same time I'm not exactly chomping at the bit for a reboot either. Let them take as much time as they need. Looking back, the first outing for a new Bond actor has never really disappointed so they don't need to rush it and mess up that streak.

Speaking of, that also got me thinking. By default and I'd also say arguably, the worst first Bond movie for any of the actors was Live and Let Die and even that's one of Moore's better ones.
Maybe keep the cool creepy serial killer mask for more than 10 minutes. :o
 
This is why the franchise is dying, they aren't doing enough to create new generations of fans. It's been nearly 20 years since Craig was cast and they still haven't announced his replacement.

I'm all for taking time to make something great, but the time that was put into No Time to Die didn't exactly result in a flawless product.

Ugh that makes me feel so old but yeah. It’s crazy to think how long ago Casino Royale came out.
 
I think part of what soured the Craig run for me a bit was the raise in stakes every time and them trying to up the level with each movie and building on the plot from the previous. Just give us a solid fun action/spy movie every 3 years where Bond goes on an adventure, meets good looking ladies, drinks martini, exciting action set pieces and car chases, real stunts! Don't worry too much about continuity. Sure you always want to find the guy who will be Bond for as long as Connery or Moore was, but if you get someone good and it only results in 2-3 movies then just recast and move on. The franchise did it for like 50 years before they started taking things too seriously. As long as the individual movies are good and people like them, that's what matters.
 
I kind of liked how they tried to tell a more serialized and less episodic narrative with Bond in the Craig films but they messed that up with SPECTRE, trying to directly tie in the actions of Silva. Like, fine, I can accept that Le Chiffe from CR and Tiny Screaming Man from QoS were part of it since they were part of Quantum, which I guess was just the surface-level version of SPECTRE or whatever. But looping Silva in too just so Blofeld could be all “I’ve been the architect of all your problems forever” was just lazy. Not EVERYTHING has to be connected.
 
I kind of liked how they tried to tell a more serialized and less episodic narrative with Bond in the Craig films but they messed that up with SPECTRE, trying to directly tie in the actions of Silva. Like, fine, I can accept that Le Chiffe from CR and Tiny Screaming Man from QoS were part of it since they were part of Quantum, which I guess was just the surface-level version of SPECTRE or whatever. But looping Silva in too just so Blofeld could be all “I’ve been the architect of all your problems forever” was just lazy. Not EVERYTHING has to be connected.
I tend to ignore the Silva/Spectre connection whenever I rewatch Skyfall just to preserve the "standalone" aspect of it. It sounds silly because even without that there are some pretty important events that happen in it between the changing of the guard with M and the introduction of Q and Moneypenny but even with all of that it's really the only Craig movie that feels like a standalone Bond adventure. I guess Casino Royale does too but the way that movie ends definitely leaves you wanting more (and then we got QoS :o).

It also makes Blofeld look really incompetent that the same secret agent keeps messing up all his plans.
Tale as old as time for the franchise. It's really his own fault for not killing Bond as a captive when he had multiple opportunities, and that also goes for most, if not all of the other villains too. It's like that Austin Powers joke.

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I stuck on a random playlist yesterday and heard this song by Noel Gallagher (of Oasis fame). I’d never heard it before as it was a bonus track from what I gather and not on an album. Not sure if it was intentional or not but it has a bit of a Bond song thing going, the classic 3-note Bond riff is definitely there in the verses

 
I said it before I think but I would LOVE to have David Arnold return for the score of future 007 films the stuff he did was just so damn good he really channeled John Barry's era of Bond music. I find myself listening to this track from The World Is Not Enough every once in a while it's SO good.
 
I stuck on a random playlist yesterday and heard this song by Noel Gallagher (of Oasis fame). I’d never heard it before as it was a bonus track from what I gather and not on an album. Not sure if it was intentional or not but it has a bit of a Bond song thing going, the classic 3-note Bond riff is definitely there in the verses



Noel’s solo stuff is great! I’m super excited about the Oasis reunion but the stuff both Noel and Liam have done on their own has also been fantastic. I saw Noel live while back; I wish Liam would tour in the US occasionally too. But I’m definitely seeing the reunion.
 
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