Action-Adventure The 26th James Bond Film

How to continue the Bond Franchise?

  • Reboot everything

    Votes: 54 67.5%
  • New Bond actor, same cast

    Votes: 15 18.8%
  • Keep the code name but pass it on to someone else

    Votes: 6 7.5%
  • Kill the franchise

    Votes: 5 6.3%

  • Total voters
    80
Many people online are complaining about it because Snape’s described as having a very unsightly, unwelcoming and unappealing appearance, very opposite to how he was cast, and makes it very hard to imagine why Lily would go after James when Snape looks like he could be Yahya Abdul-Mateen II’s younger brother.

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Also, the potentially problematic implications and connotations of a character played by a person of color being seen as unpleasant and picked on by a bunch of privileged white people.

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Valid points, perhaps, but those aren't the only reasons.
The character is white in the books and people are and were not happy about the change of ethnicity because of it. When they cast a black actress to play Hermione in the cursed child, the reaction was the same. Unless, you can provide some profound insights as to why people weren't happy about making her black that I missed.

As for James Bond, it's not surprising so many of you have the views you do because typically, you people subscribe to James Bond not even being a person but being a code name as even highlighted in the poll. Then there's a bunch of you who think he should be a woman. You're not serious people at all.

Now...

The Bond films are a global cultural institution, deeply rooted in SPECIFIC traditions and aesthetics.
Obviously, diversity is crucial but not all characters need reinvention. James Bond should remain white to preserve narrative continuity, brand identity, and literary authenticity. None of you can provide a single reasonable reason as to why he should (emphasis on should, NOT could) be a poc.

I mentioned Fleming's work in my previous post and I stand that by that, especially as the man is no longer living to say otherwise. Bond is white, British, with Scottish and Swiss roots. To change that core identity is to stray from the character’s origin and undermine Fleming's creative intent but then again, we are living in a world entertaining clownish identity politics so the respect to preserve Bond's core identity has no value to some people.

Furthermore, Bond has been rightly played by white actors for over 60 years. Changing his ethnicity would f*** up the visual and cultural continuity in these films that have evolved but also held on to its aesthetic history. Also, audience familiarity plays a key part in keeping long-term interest and immersion, which has been maintained consistently, longer than any film franchise in history. An unnecessary change like this can confuse and alienate long-time viewers. Especially certain people who couldn't understand the meaning of License Revoked so "brilliantly" resolved the issue by renaming it to License To Kill.
Why cater to a vocal minority who don't really care for Bond much to begin with? It's stupid. Bond's whiteness isn’t just visual, it’s cultural and contextual and you'd all know this if you bothered to look beyond the sex and martini-drinking.

Like I said before, give me a black Bruce Wayne etc first then talk to me about a poc Bond because rather than changing existing characters, studios should invest in creating new, original heroes of diverse backgrounds which you all should be supporting but never do. Representation should never come at the expense of legacy. Stop being so damn lazy. Forcing diversity into historically cemented roles is disingenuous when original stories would be authentic, more appreciated and better avenues for inclusion.

Lastly, the Bond brand is built on a very specific visual and cultural identity. Everything from marketing to merchandise to historical and global recognition. Changing this in such an unnecessary and extreme way serves what purpose exactly? From a practical business standpoint, this degree of rebranding is a terribly dumb idea.
Until we get a poc Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Zorro, Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent and for good measure let's throw in a Chinese or bi-racial Harry Potter, not one of you people can say anything remotely sensible to legitimately justify making Bond a poc. Keeping Bond’s whiteness is not an act of exclusion, contrary to what you think. It's a component of creative, narrative and brand integrity and like I said before, I'm all for diversity in films but it should not be executed through hijacking and laziness but instead come from new creations rather than that of existing icons that have endured and put int the work to become established for decades on very specific and iconic identities.
 
For Harry Potter, lets just say there are some very unfortunate implications in the writing if they decide to make the two prominent, not from wizard families characters in the books black.

As for why Bond could be POC. Well, there are a lot of good POC actors that one might want to see in the role. Idris Elba has been on a lot of peoples lists for a while.
 
For Harry Potter, lets just say there are some very unfortunate implications in the writing if they decide to make the two prominent, not from wizard families characters in the books black.

As for why Bond could be POC. Well, there are a lot of good POC actors that one might want to see in the role. Idris Elba has been on a lot of peoples lists for a while.
Again, this doesn't explain WHY Bond should be a poc. Many people want to see Brosnan return to the role but that doesn't mean he should. Connery is my favourite Bond and I don't think he should have returned for Diamonds Are Forever, much less Never Say Never Again.
Still, with everything I said in my previous post, in general, I'm yet to see anyone counter my points and give a legit reason as to why Bond SHOULD no longer be a white man besides "Oh, people want to see such and such person in the role". People said the same thing about Robbie Williams years ago, it doesn't make it a good idea or the right thing to do. Honestly, you can draw a face on a cucumber and dress it up in a dinner suit and people will seriously suggest it could be the next Bond. Thankfully, Elba is 53 this year so he has no chance.

Granted, there was a pandemic but where was the support for John David Washington in Nolan's spy movie Tenet? That film was released in 2020 and made $365Million. Meanwhile Bad Boys 3 released the same year made $425Million. Yeah, Bond is good staying the way he is.
 
Am i in the Matrix? I could have sworn we had someone crashing out Not long Ago over the sheer idea of a poc bond already.
 
Breh, you are not owed some perfect explanation as to why people are good with a minority as Bond. Folks like it because they like it. 25 films over 60+ years of white dudes. Switching it up for once is not going to destroy any legacies. Just don’t watch it if it happens.
Hahahahahaha be sure to take your own advice when Bond actor number 7 continues to cast appropriately and isn't a poc.
 
Am i in the Matrix? I could have sworn we had someone crashing out Not long Ago over the sheer idea of a poc bond already.
I don't think you know the meaning of crashing out. Meanwhile, it's you people taking it like it's some cardinal sin to not have a poc actor cast in the role of a white character. Sometimes I'm convinced you people don't even hear yourselves. Here's some unsolicited advice, just because you feel like something should be, doesn't mean it should.
Isn't the Hunt for Gollum coming out in the next year or two? When they recast Gandalf or Aragorn, or both with poc actors then I'll take everything you lot have to say more seriously but until then 😂😂😂🫢🤣🫡
 
Hahahahahaha be sure to take your own advice when Bond actor number 7 continues to cast appropriately and isn't a poc.

I have already, in this thread, mentioned my white fan cast for Bond. I do not care either way. Continue your crash out. And enjoy the time off that’s sure to follow.
 
Valid points, perhaps, but those aren't the only reasons.
The character is white in the books and people are and were not happy about the change of ethnicity because of it. When they cast a black actress to play Hermione in the cursed child, the reaction was the same. Unless, you can provide some profound insights as to why people weren't happy about making her black that I missed.

As for James Bond, it's not surprising so many of you have the views you do because typically, you people subscribe to James Bond not even being a person but being a code name as even highlighted in the poll. Then there's a bunch of you who think he should be a woman. You're not serious people at all.

Now...

The Bond films are a global cultural institution, deeply rooted in SPECIFIC traditions and aesthetics.
Obviously, diversity is crucial but not all characters need reinvention. James Bond should remain white to preserve narrative continuity, brand identity, and literary authenticity. None of you can provide a single reasonable reason as to why he should (emphasis on should, NOT could) be a poc.

I mentioned Fleming's work in my previous post and I stand that by that, especially as the man is no longer living to say otherwise. Bond is white, British, with Scottish and Swiss roots. To change that core identity is to stray from the character’s origin and undermine Fleming's creative intent but then again, we are living in a world entertaining clownish identity politics so the respect to preserve Bond's core identity has no value to some people.

Furthermore, Bond has been rightly played by white actors for over 60 years. Changing his ethnicity would f*** up the visual and cultural continuity in these films that have evolved but also held on to its aesthetic history. Also, audience familiarity plays a key part in keeping long-term interest and immersion, which has been maintained consistently, longer than any film franchise in history. An unnecessary change like this can confuse and alienate long-time viewers. Especially certain people who couldn't understand the meaning of License Revoked so "brilliantly" resolved the issue by renaming it to License To Kill.
Why cater to a vocal minority who don't really care for Bond much to begin with? It's stupid. Bond's whiteness isn’t just visual, it’s cultural and contextual and you'd all know this if you bothered to look beyond the sex and martini-drinking.

Like I said before, give me a black Bruce Wayne etc first then talk to me about a poc Bond because rather than changing existing characters, studios should invest in creating new, original heroes of diverse backgrounds which you all should be supporting but never do. Representation should never come at the expense of legacy. Stop being so damn lazy. Forcing diversity into historically cemented roles is disingenuous when original stories would be authentic, more appreciated and better avenues for inclusion.

Lastly, the Bond brand is built on a very specific visual and cultural identity. Everything from marketing to merchandise to historical and global recognition. Changing this in such an unnecessary and extreme way serves what purpose exactly? From a practical business standpoint, this degree of rebranding is a terribly dumb idea.
Until we get a poc Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Zorro, Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent and for good measure let's throw in a Chinese or bi-racial Harry Potter, not one of you people can say anything remotely sensible to legitimately justify making Bond a poc. Keeping Bond’s whiteness is not an act of exclusion, contrary to what you think. It's a component of creative, narrative and brand integrity and like I said before, I'm all for diversity in films but it should not be executed through hijacking and laziness but instead come from new creations rather than that of existing icons that have endured and put int the work to become established for decades on very specific and iconic identities.
I love this post. Because if you remove black, this was the exactly reaction to the best Bond, aka Daniel Craig. :funny:

Were you upset when the Doctor became a woman? Black? Did you think it destroyed 60 years of tradition?
 
Hahahahahaha be sure to take your own advice when Bond actor number 7 continues to cast appropriately and isn't a poc.
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I have already, in this thread, mentioned my white fan cast for Bond. I do not care either way. Continue your crash out. And enjoy the time off that’s sure to follow.
You don't care, yeah, sure and yet because my words have somehow offended you, you think what I've said is grounds for me to be banned or suspended? Lol, grow up and learn how to have a mature conversation without getting emotional.
 
I am super curious though why Bond has to be the last bastion of white representation on film. Why does he have to happen after Batman, Spider-Man, Gandalf?
Why should he go before the others? You want experimental casting? Like I said, let's see the response first by changing the ethnicities of the character mentioned.
 
I love this post. Because if you remove black, this was the exactly reaction to the best Bond, aka Daniel Craig. :funny:

Were you upset when the Doctor became a woman? Black? Did you think it destroyed 60 years of tradition?
But the fact is Craig is a white British male so....as for Dr Who, I don't watch it and never understood the appeal so I can't comment but I understand the character is a time traveling shape shifter so he, she, it or whatever the Dr is can be a talking plank of wood and it would be fine, I suppose.
 
Valid points, perhaps, but those aren't the only reasons.
The character is white in the books and people are and were not happy about the change of ethnicity because of it. When they cast a black actress to play Hermione in the cursed child, the reaction was the same. Unless, you can provide some profound insights as to why people weren't happy about making her black that I missed.

As for James Bond, it's not surprising so many of you have the views you do because typically, you people subscribe to James Bond not even being a person but being a code name as even highlighted in the poll. Then there's a bunch of you who think he should be a woman. You're not serious people at all.

Now...

The Bond films are a global cultural institution, deeply rooted in SPECIFIC traditions and aesthetics.
Obviously, diversity is crucial but not all characters need reinvention. James Bond should remain white to preserve narrative continuity, brand identity, and literary authenticity. None of you can provide a single reasonable reason as to why he should (emphasis on should, NOT could) be a poc.

I mentioned Fleming's work in my previous post and I stand that by that, especially as the man is no longer living to say otherwise. Bond is white, British, with Scottish and Swiss roots. To change that core identity is to stray from the character’s origin and undermine Fleming's creative intent but then again, we are living in a world entertaining clownish identity politics so the respect to preserve Bond's core identity has no value to some people.

Furthermore, Bond has been rightly played by white actors for over 60 years. Changing his ethnicity would f*** up the visual and cultural continuity in these films that have evolved but also held on to its aesthetic history. Also, audience familiarity plays a key part in keeping long-term interest and immersion, which has been maintained consistently, longer than any film franchise in history. An unnecessary change like this can confuse and alienate long-time viewers. Especially certain people who couldn't understand the meaning of License Revoked so "brilliantly" resolved the issue by renaming it to License To Kill.
Why cater to a vocal minority who don't really care for Bond much to begin with? It's stupid. Bond's whiteness isn’t just visual, it’s cultural and contextual and you'd all know this if you bothered to look beyond the sex and martini-drinking.

Like I said before, give me a black Bruce Wayne etc first then talk to me about a poc Bond because rather than changing existing characters, studios should invest in creating new, original heroes of diverse backgrounds which you all should be supporting but never do. Representation should never come at the expense of legacy. Stop being so damn lazy. Forcing diversity into historically cemented roles is disingenuous when original stories would be authentic, more appreciated and better avenues for inclusion.

Lastly, the Bond brand is built on a very specific visual and cultural identity. Everything from marketing to merchandise to historical and global recognition. Changing this in such an unnecessary and extreme way serves what purpose exactly? From a practical business standpoint, this degree of rebranding is a terribly dumb idea.
Until we get a poc Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Zorro, Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent and for good measure let's throw in a Chinese or bi-racial Harry Potter, not one of you people can say anything remotely sensible to legitimately justify making Bond a poc. Keeping Bond’s whiteness is not an act of exclusion, contrary to what you think. It's a component of creative, narrative and brand integrity and like I said before, I'm all for diversity in films but it should not be executed through hijacking and laziness but instead come from new creations rather than that of existing icons that have endured and put int the work to become established for decades on very specific and iconic identities.
When you’re talking about longstanding “traditions“, casual sexual harassment of and throwing himself onto women without consensual approval has to be included in there, right? Because that’s also part of his history. Have to keep that! :o

Also, pretty rich of you to complain about long-standing, traditionally white characters being recast as a different race, invoke terms like “ identity, politics” and “cultural continuity”, “forcing diversity” and call us “not serious people” when we have a very unserious man and clown in office signing executive orders and hell-bent on removing any trace of actual pieces of non-white and diverse history, taking away women’s voices and agency, ruining our economy and colluding with and trying to benefit the kinds of people that your so-called “cultural icon“, if he were to exist in real life, would absolutely be disgusted by and happily and readily take down if given the order.

But, you know, maintaining “aesthetic history” and “cultural identity”, right? Wouldn’t want to break the “immersion” and “confuse” or “alienate” anybody.

“Legacy”? Don’t make me laugh.
 
But the fact is Craig is a white British male so....as for Dr Who, I don't watch it and never understood the appeal so I can't comment but I understand the character is a time traveling shape shifter so he, she, it or whatever the Dr is can be a talking plank of wood and it would be fine, I suppose.
The idea of tradition. Craig was considered "too ugly" to be Bond. Not enough of a ladies man. Something else based around appearance that ignored presence and acting.

Tradition can be such an ugly word, especially in the hands of countries that fancied themselves empires.
 
When it comes to Bond the character. His age is going to updated again. He's going to be a kid of the late 80s at the oldest. Probably the 90s. At that point if you think he needs to be white growing up in 90s Britain, then you're just ignoring what Britain looks like.
 
Why should he go before the others? You want experimental casting? Like I said, let's see the response first by changing the ethnicities of the character mentioned.
Why not? He's already been an Asian man. Sure, black Batman all you want. I don't have a problem with it. Just seems like a completely detached subject matter. There isn't like a line.
 
Again, this doesn't explain WHY Bond should be a poc. Many people want to see Brosnan return to the role but that doesn't mean he should. Connery is my favourite Bond and I don't think he should have returned for Diamonds Are Forever, much less Never Say Never Again.
Still, with everything I said in my previous post, in general, I'm yet to see anyone counter my points and give a legit reason as to why Bond SHOULD no longer be a white man besides "Oh, people want to see such and such person in the role". People said the same thing about Robbie Williams years ago, it doesn't make it a good idea or the right thing to do. Honestly, you can draw a face on a cucumber and dress it up in a dinner suit and people will seriously suggest it could be the next Bond. Thankfully, Elba is 53 this year so he has no chance.

Granted, there was a pandemic but where was the support for John David Washington in Nolan's spy movie Tenet? That film was released in 2020 and made $365Million. Meanwhile Bad Boys 3 released the same year made $425Million. Yeah, Bond is good staying the way he is.

Yeah, Elba is pretty much aged out of the role at now, but that doesn't change that a lot of people wanted him in the role in his prime.

As for addressing your points, keep in mind, a lot of posters here are not british. As I have seen it explained to me, Bond has to be white because of class. Which is ****ing stupid to most people. And reeks of the same insanity of when Harry married Meghan.
 
Idris ain't the only sexy black Brit out there.
 
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