The Alternate Future where Palliades Toys Was Still Around (MUPPETS)

[Roughneck]

So we had some good times and got Muppet action figures a plenty, I got me a Crazy Harry and Lew Zealand and the tickles me pink, but for this thread we will ask the question What If?

What If Pallisades toys had not gone under and had kept producing Muppets Action figures?


Well, Wave 10 would have included:

Baby Kermit and Baby Piggy

Dr Bob (Middle)

Sal Minella (With Penguins that we got anyway)

Uncle Deadly (Who we got anyway)

And Gobo (Fraggle Rock)

That's right folks, wave ten would have not only broken the muppet Baby barrier but also the Fraggle Rock Barrier. Oh and Exclusives with this wave would have been Statler and Waldorf in Tuxedoes



Wave 11 would have been:

Baby Gonzo and Baby Rowlf
Nurse Janice (See Dr. Bob above)
Bobo The Bear
Loius Kazagger
And Exclusive Robobuster Bunsen and Beaker

Wave 12 could have been:

Baby Scooter and Baby Fozzie
Nurse Piggy with Bean Bunny
Mahna Mahna and the Snowths (Who should have been in wave 1)
Mulch

Exlusives with this wave would have been Super Gonzo, Rizzo, Statler & Waldorf, Vacation Swedish Chef, Vacation Animal and Wonder Pig

Wave 13 would have been:

Patrol Link Hogthrob
Dr Teeth 2
Clueless Morgan
A Pack of Rats
Exclusive Sam the Eagle in a Tux

Wave 14 would have been:

reporter Gonzo
Swamp Kermit
Seymore and pepe
Randy and Andy Pig
Exclusives would have been Holiday Kermit with Robin and Fozzy from treasure Island

What about playsets you ask? Well in a word where pallisades could do whatever they wanted this is what might have been.



The Muppet Theater Stage was originally going to be released during Winter 2002, and later moved to a Summer 2003 release date. This set was going to be bigger than the other sets, and was to include fabric curtains that could open, Statler and Waldorf's Box, the back wall of the stage, and some removable backdrops, such as The Muppet Show title card. This set was planned to be big enough to fit one existing playset on the stage at a time, and there were plans to have it be able to connect to a possible Backstage Playset (which wasn't announced to be made at the time). It was originally going to come with Statler and Waldorf action figures, but after deciding that a Sweetums Action Figure would have to be too big to fit in the regular packaging, Statler and Waldorf were moved to be released as individual action figures, and Sweetums and Robin replaced Statler and Waldorf in the set. Due to poor sales of the playsets and the planned size of this set, plans for this playset were cancelled.


The Electric Mayhem Bus playset was planned once Palisades got the rights to release figures, accessories, and playsets inspired by the movies. This was to have been released alongside series 5 and was to come with Janice.


The Planet Koozebane playset was meant to come with the Koozebane Kermit action figure, plus a lot of Koozebanian creatures, such as the Male Koozebanian Creature, the Female Koozebanian Creature, the Baby Koozebanians, the Merdidop aliens, the Koozebanian Phoob, and the Hugga Wugga creatures. This playset was going to be released alongside series 5, and was briefly moved to series 6 when The Electric Mayhem bus playset was planned for series 5, and moved back to series 5 before being canceled. The Koozebane Kermit action figure was instead released as a Target exclusive, coming with a small Koozebane base with Merdidiops, and the Male, Female, and Baby Koozebanians.


The Happiness Hotel playset was announced as part of series 7 in a Toy Fare Magazine article from 2002, and was to come with a Pops Action Figure. Not much else is known about what was planned for this playset.


The Veterinarians Hospital playset was planned for series 10, and was going to come with a Nurse Janice action figure.


Also prototypes were made for Benjaminna Gunn (Piggy from treasure Island), Angus McGonagle, and Screcrow Kermit, the prior two were bumped from waves 5 and 7 and Scarecrow kermit was never actually announced.

And it's also worth mentioning that Pallisades was concidering putting out three different accessory packs:

Swinetrek - Laser guns, Alien PVC, computer monitor, and other assortments.
Swedish Kitchen - A Chicken, sausage links, flour, a basketball hoop, a wrench and other assortments.
Electric Mayhem - Mic and stand, bass box, speaker, stage lights, drummer's stool and other assortments.

Which prolly woulda been bought up my Collectors of other lines in the 6 inch scale.


So that is the world that we might have lived in if there really were a god.

 

[Roughneck]

Oh and should I even mention the Sesame Street line? It only officially saw one release (Super Grover) but was ready for a full wave.

Yessir, that's wave one there with Ernie, Oscar, Guy Smiley and the Two Headed monster....standing in front of the wave 1 playset.

Wave two was gonna have a playset too.

Yeah, the Brownstone, the plan was for each playset to be another piece of the street with the grand plan for it to reach from Hooper's Store down to Big Bird's nest.

Speaking of Big Bird, he was set for wave two along with Graver, Bert, Elmo and the Count.

Wave three was looking to be Franklin benjamin, Cookie Monster and the Yip Yip Martians.

 

[Browncoat]

I had this one.

Wish I had gotten more...I do love me some Muppets (and it's a crime to humanity that Muppet Babies isn't on DVD).

I would like to say that while Palisade's Muppet collection was very good, their Army of Darkness toys were abysmal compared to your other AoD options.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

they were gonna leave out baby skeeter! god dangit is that girl always forgoten

 

[Roughneck]

Skeeter and Animal both.

And Muppet shows in general have gotten abysmal treatment from Disney.....the Muppet Show has only had two seasons put out (one a year) and that's too long to wait....we still need the other three seasons and Muppets tonight and Muppet babaies......also they only redistributed 4 of the Muppet movies thus far.......

 

[Lord Valumart]

i loved the muppets...i only ever picked up the indiana jones style kermit off ebay, but damn the line was cool

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Skeeter and Animal both.

And Muppet shows in general have gotten abysmal treatment from Disney.....the Muppet Show has only had two seasons put out (one a year) and that's too long to wait....we still need the other three seasons and Muppets tonight and Muppet babaies......also they only redistributed 4 of the Muppet movies thus far.......

yeah... but skeeters kinda the black sheep... shes NEVER even seen muppet form to my knowledge... nor talked about... i bet she was a lesbo and shunned! lol she did have the makings of a gym coach

 

[Saint553]

I'd argue that palisades made some of the best figures ever made. For not being a big company, they sure as hell packed a lot of quality into their figures. I love accessories, especially useful, funny, or just cool ones. I thought I remember reading how Palisades went down the tubes...I think it was that their stuff was either too expensive, or they were just put out too much stuff with high prices when there was no demand for any of it.

 

[Saint553]

I would have loved to see the entire cast of Muppet Babies made in some shape or form. Would have gotten them all. And anything relating to the Swedish Chef. I was lucky enough to get his kitchen and the thing is amazing.

 

[Roughneck]

Skeeter was a late addition to Muppet Babies because Piggy was the only femal character on the show, she was voiced by Howie Mandell and then Frank Whelker.

Skeeter appeared later in the series of childrens books and stuff called Muppet kids, (Basically the muppets arond the age of 10) It featured the same characters as Muppet Babies but Janice was added and Bunsen and Beaker were used more.

She has never ever been made in muppet form (mainly due to the Muppet Show being on before Muppet babies) and she's never been mentioned on the show. Michael Firth once mentioned that she grew up to become an explorer and was never seen again after a trip to the Amazon.....likely just joking, but that's really the only mention of her adult life

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Skeeter was a late addition to Muppet Babies because Piggy was the only femal character on the show, she was voiced by Howie Mandell and then Frank Whelker.

Skeeter appeared later in the series of childrens books and stuff called Muppet kids, (Basically the muppets arond the age of 10) It featured the same characters as Muppet Babies but Janice was added and Bunsen and Beaker were used more.

She has never ever been made in muppet form (mainly due to the Muppet Show being on before Muppet babies) and she's never been mentioned on the show. Michael Firth once mentioned that she grew up to become an explorer and was never seen again after a trip to the Amazon.....likely just joking, but that's really the only mention of her adult life

thus another reason why muppets need a comeback

 

[Roughneck]

I really had hopes for a Reboot after Disney bought them....but yet to happen......they'll do it to Kiddy anyway....Also a few years ago there was gonna be a 6 episode 'reality show' called who wants to be the next Muppet.

there was gonna be 6-10 New Muppets gompeting in events featuring real Muppets and stuff, some would get voted out and **** like that, and eventually there would be only one, and it would become the next Muppet.

Show never happened though

 

[Saint553]

I don't think Disney would use the muppets to their full extent. I just don't think there are writers that exist that can give the muppets the treatment they deserve.

 

[Roughneck]

Well, Jerry Juhl, Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson and Coatrack could do it...


Though Oz seems to distance himself from the muppets a bit these days.

Actually Juhl is dead......Nelson is pretty old.....There are writers that still exist that could do the muppets proud....I plan to prove that in the next Month.....what I've got so far is gold

 

[Saint553]

I just wish there was an audience for another Muppet Show, or Jim Henson hour. I have one or two Jim Henson hours on tape, and love 'em both. I don't think kids/adults have the attention span for muppets.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just wish there was an audience for another Muppet Show, or Jim Henson hour. I have one or two Jim Henson hours on tape, and love 'em both. I don't think kids/adults have the attention span for muppets.

actually, i think the best crowd for the muppets would be the adult swim crowd

 

[Orko Is King]

I loves me some Fraggles.

 

[Roughneck]

I do.....

I own all the Muppet Movies on DVD (Not Oz) and the two seasons of the show....



And if you miss the muppets that much you can always try to watch Puppet Up.....it's a Puppet Improv show that uses puppets created in the Henson Workshop....and former muppet preformers (including Brian Henson) do the show......it kinda sucks ass though

 

[Rez]

Palisades was such a great company. Along with Resaurus, they represent the two companies I loved and miss the most.

Their Resident Evil line remains not only my favorite incarnation of RE collectables, but one of my favorite toylines of the past 10 or so years.

Ahh.. Resaurus.. Carnage and Duke Nukem and Quake and Gex.... oh, right, Palisades.

 

[Ryo Jin]

Soon, SOTA will be joining them, which sucks.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the reason these companies go under... is basically because they do one good thing, concentrate it... and go under because all they did was appeal to one audience

 

[Roughneck]

Sota does a lot of different stuff.


they do Street Fighter as we all know, but they also do Now Playing (a Cult Classics type line with licenses such as Toxic Avenger, Darkman and Leprachaun) as well as their Zombie line.

But they also do statues and stuff (they did Tomb Raider movie Statues) and those Chess Sets (Spiderman and Alien Vs Predetor)

And Pallisades had Muppets and Resident Evil.....and I'm sure they did other stuff....


but when you think of it it's not that different then NECA.....please don't tell me Neca's going under.


Also Marvel Toys really only had ML and TNA.......guess that might speak for itself then.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sota does a lot of different stuff.


they do Street Fighter as we all know, but they also do Now Playing (a Cult Classics type line with licenses such as Toxic Avenger, Darkman and Leprachaun) as well as their Zombie line.

But they also do statues and stuff (they did Tomb Raider movie Statues) and those Chess Sets (Spiderman and Alien Vs Predetor)

And Pallisades had Muppets and Resident Evil.....and I'm sure they did other stuff....


but when you think of it it's not that different then NECA.....please don't tell me Neca's going under.


Also Marvel Toys really only had ML and TNA.......guess that might speak for itself then.

problem is though...

with SOTA it there now playing lines sold horribly.. because they made tooo obscure characters. and the chess sets were over priced. So the only and honestly the only thing keeping SOTA afloat was Street fighter...

Palisides only had 2 lines... and the resident evil and muppet lines were great, but still didnt sell tooo well.

Marvel doesnt count at all.. ML's and TNA are MASS market with huge fan bases

 

[thebeast]

Hey gang,

just found this thread. I'd have to poke around a bit on my computer but I actually have pics of the prototypes for a lot of the later SS stuff they had planned including Bert, Count, Cookie, Grover, the Bird, and believe it or not a kick-ass Elmo sculpt. Not a big fan of the little fir hydrant but the figure was awesome. Another one of those pics where you'd almost swear you were looking at the puppet.

I have a painted pic of Sal Manilla too from MT. As well as some pics of mini-Electric Mayhem figs that never got produced. There were prototypes of the other main character from "Oz" as well. I might have pics of them too.

I don't think Angus McGonagle was ever made as a prototype. I think it was an idea they were just kicking around. Same goes for Benjamina Gunn.

Unfortunatly the only Muppet Babies they would have been allowed to do were the six featured in "Manhattan" as the series would have been an entirely seperate license. So Skeeter and Animal wouldn't have happened.


A few thoughts on other things Muppety and Palisades things being discussed..... Jerry Nelson and Frank Oz are pretty much retired from Muppets although Nelson still does Count and a few others for Sesame and I believe Frank usually still does a say or two for Sesame as well. Dave "Gonzo" Goelz is still very involved with the Muppets and has recently hinted that are working on some stuff. Steve Whitmire (Rizzo, Kermit) is also involved and has been busy the last few weeks doing talk show appearances for the holidays with the frog. Eric Jacobson (Frank's replacement) is also busy doing a lot of the same. Their have apparently been a few pilots over the years but no indication of which direction they're going to go in. If they do anything at all.


Disney has had a tough time releasing TMS on DVD due to almost overwhelming task of getting clearance on the musical numbers. As some may know there are actually about 5 or 6 sketches that were cut from the first season release do to copyright clearance. Fortunately the second season is complete but it took them almost two years to get it that way. Hopefully season 3 will be complete and also come faster. The reason they've only released 4 of the movies is believe it or not because they only own four of the movies. They produced two ( Christmas Carol and Treasure Island) and the other two they bought from Henson (who bought them from ITC/Lord Lew Grade when he went bankrupt) the other two Muppet films are owned by Sony/Columbia, the film company that produced them.

Palisades had several lines going including Pink Panther, Ren and Stimpy, Fairly Odd Parents, Army of Darkness, their PALz line (kinda like Minimates), some in-house properties that never quite caught on and some other stuff I can't even remember.

It's funny that someone mentioned ReSaurus since the product developer for Palisades worked for them first. He'd be glad to know you felt that way. You can actually check out Ken's website www.creatusmaximus.com to see what he's up to these days.

I'll poke around on my computer and see if I can find the photos mentioned above and see if I can post them.

--matt

 

[Roughneck]

cool, hopefully you can find those pics