The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Spider-Fan]

I'm hoping Garfield and Webb both leave after ASM3.

The reboot was a somewhat noble experiment, but it would be time to close that chapter and move on.

I agree. Once we get the Sinister Six and we put the wrap on TASM3, I'd like to see the franchise move on to the next creative team and cast.

 

[Bruce Malone]

No superhero gets over 5 solo movies without going through some major ups and downs.

Batman and Superman fans could tell you that.

That's true and they needed some serious down time to get back into shape.

For batman it was 8 years and superman it was 7 years (or 19 years depending on your view of Returns).

5 years was not enough time for the audience to get excited for a whole new rebooted series following a pretty similar path to the last one.

 

[Erzengel]

Move on to what? Ride some other non Spider-Man characters until another reboot?

 

[Erzengel]

I think Marvel is waiting until after Avengers 3. Then, there will be more Iron Man films. With or without RDJ is the only thing that remains to be seen. Lately, we've heard more rumblings on IM4 being possible. Drew Pearce recenetly talked about the state of that series, and RDJ even said he'd be open to returning for the right script. Iron Man 4 isn't a matter of if. It is when. I think smart money is Phase 4, with a new Stark. Same with the other main Avengers.

Marvel has options. Even with Chris Evans, RDJ and even Hemsworth possibly finishing up on Avengers 3. You have Hulk, you have Ant Man, you have Guardians of the Galaxy. Marvel/Disney has lots of options.

I would have loved for DOFP be the last X-Men movie with a reboot but this time, Xavier and the original X-Men instead of another Wolverine and the X-Men.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Move on to what? Ride some other non Spider-Man characters until another reboot?

We don't know how much longer Sony will even have Spider-Man. Once this series ends, Marvel may very well end up with Spider-Man back. We've already seen Sony have to sell the merchandise and TV rights to prolong this from happening. Given the current BO state of the series, and the state of Sony's film division as a whole, they very well may have no choice but to sell Spider-Man at some point. So, maybe next reboot puts Spidey in the MCU. Who knows? Or, perhaps Sony keeps the rights, and we see loose sequels. Either way, I'd rather see new people brought in than see this series extend to a TASM4 and beyond.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel has options. Even with Chris Evans, RDJ and even Hemsworth possibly finishing up on Avengers 3. You have Hulk, you have Ant Man, you have Guardians of the Galaxy. Marvel/Disney has lots of options.

I would have loved for DOFP be the last X-Men movie with a reboot but this time, Xavier and the original X-Men instead of another Wolverine and the X-Men.

Oh, Marvel has options. But, Marvel also I don't think wants to sit on that Iron Man money much longer. But, you're right that Marvel moving forward has options.

As for X-Men, most of the next films seem more focused on the FC cast and spin-offs moving forward. I am okay with that, since I enjoyed First Class tremendously.

 

[Erzengel]

Spider-Man series is Sony's biggest cash cow. I really don't see them letting it go. This isn't some minor character like Punisher. The only way they'd give up the rights is if one of the movies just is a debacle.

 

[Arach Knight]

I'm sure the film has done more than 558mil worldwide, box office mojo just haven't updated it's international figures yet.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/05/13/the-price-sony-paid-for-rebooting-spider-man/

That is a Forbes article from two days ago, at which point, TASM2 sat at $549 million. Box Office Mojo has the total at $558 million. At the moment, we have no better information. So the figure stands.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man series is Sony's biggest cash cow. I really don't see them letting it go. This isn't some minor character like Punisher. The only way they'd give up the rights is if one of the movies just is a debacle.

I would agree, but how long did the sale of the merchandise/TV rights hold off losing the property? For them to do that (Spidey sells a lot of toys), it had to be close. Since we don't have access to the information regarding contract length and such, I think that is a valid thing to keep in mind. Sony may have no choice in the matter of losing the rights if it is a timed thing. I don't see Disney extending it again.

 

[Iceman]

Added to that, you can't really even introduce new locations (like Bond) since Spidey is so New York-centric.

Good point. Also I'd add that with Spidey in costume he will look similar whoever is playing him especially with the mask entirely covering his face (unlike with James Bond recasts).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/05/13/the-price-sony-paid-for-rebooting-spider-man/

That is a Forbes article from two days ago, at which point, TASM2 sat at $549 million. Box Office Mojo has the total at $558 million. At the moment, we have no better information. So the figure stands.

The movie didn't make zero dollars during the week internationally. The numbers. just haven't been updated yet. I'm not saying don't use the 558mil number, I'm just pointing out the fact that that number isn't entirely accurate because we don't have the full international total so far yet.

 

[Iceman]

Spider-Man series is Sony's biggest cash cow. I really don't see them letting it go. This isn't some minor character like Punisher. The only way they'd give up the rights is if one of the movies just is a debacle.

They definitely don't want to let them go. But the rights have a hell of a lot of value even if they lay waste to the character over the next couple of films. With the high budget requirements of Spider-man films, only the overseas box office is making it worth them continuing if the domestic follows its current trajectory. And all of those next few films announced fall into the unfamiliar risk category going forward.

Shareholder pressure will tell at some stage unless they turn things around. I can't see a situation where they complete their announced films TASM3 & 4 & Venom & Sinister 6 with none of them making big returns and keeping this 'keep the rights at all costs' view. We are seeing now that this product is not a fully guaranteed permanent cash cow for all time while they are forced to keep putting films out every few years. If they were allowed breaks it could have worked for a lot longer.

 

[Spiderine]

U can't keep making Spidey films for the hell of it if the growing trend is diminishing profits. I don't know what type of Spiderman film people want to see with a decreased budget. Normally u increase the stakes with each sequel. The goal for the shareholders are to make lots of money off these films.

If the idea is to make spinoffs with Spiderman supporting characters its just as big a risk. Sony and Arad are just too hands on with these films and its only going to get worse because everyone will have ideas on how to reverse this trend. These ideas I hear from some of you like "just make a good film" and "hire the right people" sounds great but look who decides that ****.

 

[Erzengel]

“I think there are some stories that will fit beautifully into a cross. Spider-Man would be incredible mixed up with those other universes. But if we want to do that, the crossovers, it has to be a story that is absolutely centered on Spider-Man. We cannot be second banana to anything out there. Because this is the king. This is the one that influenced young people from birth.

“I’m not preaching, but Spider-Man, Peter Parker, who is in all of us, is too important to go in and use it as a sidepiece for corporate purposes. The studio may disagree with me, some fans may disagree with me. I don’t care.”

So essentially Arad is not against Spider-Man crossing over, he just wants him to become the Wolverine in the Avengers movies.

 

[Spiderine]

So essentially Arad is not against Spider-Man crossing over, he just wants him to become the Wolverine in the Avengers movies.

These are the people running the show at Sony. Which is why I said what I said in my previous post.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Godzilla is a monster with late night grosses tallying a whopping $9.3M on over 3,400 screens, coming in much bigger than expected.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/box-office-preview-godzilla-stomps-into-theaters-tonight/

Now we shall see how Spidey fares against this juggernaut.

 

[Tymminator]

I didn't know it would do that good, but I figure it would do good.
Godzilla is going to do well this weekend.

 

[Spider-Fan]

People have been underestimating Godzilla for weeks.

 

[Oscorp]

So essentially Arad is not against Spider-Man crossing over, he just wants him to become the Wolverine in the Avengers movies.

I don't think he's completely wrong. In fact, I might even agree with him. Spidey's always been better solo, I think still to most people he's the best Marvel hero.

Also, I'd love to see a film with Avengers and all, from a Young teenager's perspective. Peter would be truly unique in such a team.

 

[Spiderine]

Is this really a surprise? Godzilla was going to have a massive opening weekend.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Plenty of people thought it wouldn't have a shot at opening over 60mil, let alone have a possible shot at 80mil. Godzilla was overlooked by many.

 

[Tony Stark]

Spider-Man series is Sony's biggest cash cow. I really don't see them letting it go. This isn't some minor character like Punisher. The only way they'd give up the rights is if one of the movies just is a debacle.

The problem is that it is their biggest cash cow and they are losing money off of it. When Sony bought Columbia it was very profitable for them. It was even leverage for them for Blu-ray to win the HD format wars with Toshiba and HD-DVD. But they are losing money hand over fist, and they are not competitive with the other studios, and that's the honest truth.

The reality is that Sony may spin off the Sony pictures division to another studio, when that happens the rights go back to Marvel.

 

[Tony Stark]

Is this really a surprise? Godzilla was going to have a massive opening weekend.

It is to me, because I remember the 1998 disaster. I know this film is better, but I never thought you could successfully resurrect this series.

 

[Spiderine]

It is to me, because I remember the 1998 disaster. I know this film is better, but I never thought you could successfully resurrect this series.

If I recall the reviews on that film were very critical before it came out. I remember going to see it back in 98. And remember when we got a shot of the actual monster. Nobody thought that was Godzilla.

 

[Oscorp]

The problem is that it is their biggest cash cow and they are losing money off of it. When Sony bought Columbia it was very profitable for them. It was even leverage for them for Blu-ray to win the HD format wars with Toshiba and HD-DVD. But they are losing money hand over fist, and they are not competitive with the other studios, and that's the honest truth.

The reality is that Sony may spin off the Sony pictures division to another studio, when that happens the rights go back to Marvel.

One can only hope!

I think now would be the perfect time for Marvel Studios. Spider-Man isn't as big of a cash cow as back in the Days for Sony, but I think the idea of Spider-Man being in the Marvel universe would pump people up A LOT. I think namely that a lot of the backlash Spidey is getting now is due to being in the hands of Sony, no matter the quality of the film itself.