The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

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The problem is that it is their biggest cash cow and they are losing money off of it. When Sony bought Columbia it was very profitable for them. It was even leverage for them for Blu-ray to win the HD format wars with Toshiba and HD-DVD. But they are losing money hand over fist, and they are not competitive with the other studios, and that's the honest truth.
Sony's money problems are not as dire as many people make them out to be. The movie studio may be a bit underwhelming, but Sony's financial problems come from its ailing electronics division. But Sony Computer Entertainment will post a profit once its PS4 launch period is taken care of, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Sony Mobile, Sony Financial, and their cameras are profitable.

The reality is that Sony may spin off the Sony pictures division to another studio, when that happens the rights go back to Marvel.
Not gonna happen. Sony has been very adamant in keeping their entertainment divisions. What Sony should do IMO is be aggressive in their acquisition of other media companies. Something like CBS, Viacom, AMC Networks, MGM, Discovery or whatnot.
 
I don't think he's completely wrong. In fact, I might even agree with him. Spidey's always been better solo, I think still to most people he's the best Marvel hero.

Also, I'd love to see a film with Avengers and all, from a Young teenager's perspective. Peter would be truly unique in such a team.

The reason why I love the Avengers movie because it was a collective effort in the end. It's not like X-3 where it was Wolverine saving the day, again which personally I have a problem of making him the main hero in almost every movie.

And with the tepid showing of ASM 1 and 2, I'd say that Spidey may not be the most popular hero anymore at least to the average non comic book fan. And personally, I'd have a little suspension of belief if say Spider-Man was in Avengers 3 and he was the one who was left to stop Thanos.
 
2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 $1,936,763 -6% 4,324 0 $448 $155,366,637 2 Sony / Columbia
 
Sony's money problems are not as dire as many people make them out to be. The movie studio may be a bit underwhelming, but Sony's financial problems come from its ailing electronics division. But Sony Computer Entertainment will post a profit once its PS4 launch period is taken care of, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Sony Mobile, Sony Financial, and their cameras are profitable.

Not gonna happen. Sony has been very adamant in keeping their entertainment divisions. What Sony should do IMO is be aggressive in their acquisition of other media companies. Something like CBS, Viacom, AMC Networks, MGM, Discovery or whatnot.

Sony Computer Entertainment is a separate company than the pictures company. They are wholly owned subsidiaries, and it's not as outlandish as you think.

The PS4 has been a success, for the most part, but the are still bleeding red ink:

http://mmgn.com/ps4/news--ps4-success-but-sony-slumps-disc-media-on-the


It's no different than when IBM sold the PC company back in 2006 to Lenovo and their x-Server division last year.

You can't have a division that churns red ink. It doesn't matter that the other parts of Sony make a profit. Currently they are no 2 in market share because of TASM2, but Warner Bros will quickly overtake them. Right now it's a two person race between Warner and Disney.
 
$1.9 million on its second Thursday lol.
 
Sony Computer Entertainment is a separate company than the pictures company. They are wholly owned subsidiaries, and it's not as outlandish as you think.
I know that they're separate companies within the Sony Group, but my point still remains, it's the electronics division of Sony, the costs associated with getting rid of the PC business, and costly pensions that are dragging the company down. Not the other subsidiaries, which includes Sony Pictures.

The PS4 has been a success, for the most part, but the are still bleeding red ink:

http://mmgn.com/ps4/news--ps4-success-but-sony-slumps-disc-media-on-the
Again, Sony Pictures is not hurting Sony. It mostly comes down to Sony's costly electronics business which Sony is trying to revitalize by focusing more on video games (profitable), cameras (profitable), and mobile phones (profitable). It's television division is focusing more on high-end products as opposed to competing in a market that is dominated by Samsung and Visio.

It's no different than when IBM sold the PC company back in 2006 to Lenovo and their x-Server division last year.
Except it's vastly different.

When IBM sold their PC division to Lenovo back in 2005, their PC division lost over $1 billion in a period of three and a half years. Sony Pictures on the other hand, is still profitable. Even though Sony lost $1.3 billion in Q4 2013, Sony Pictures still made a $402 million profit, up 112% a year ago. Revenues were up 30% to $2.6 billion.

IBM's System X server business was shrinking fast and hurting it's bottom line. IBM also wants to get out of the hardware business completely and selling the server division helps that transition. Sony on the other hand, does not want to get out of the film industry and sees it as an important part of the "One Sony" strategy. It's why they resisted pressure from Daniel Loeb to spin Sony Pictures and Sony Music off into a separate Sony Entertainment company.

You can't have a division that churns red ink.
Which is why Hirai is trying to fix the divisions that are churning red. But the Sony Pictures division is churning black ink, not red.

It doesn't matter that the other parts of Sony make a profit.
Except Sony's money problems are mostly irrelevant to Sony Pictures. They've taken a lot of cost cutting measures to reach to profitability. If Sony Pictures sold off things, it would be to help the rest of the company, not help Sony Pictures.

Currently they are no 2 in market share because of TASM2, but Warner Bros will quickly overtake them. Right now it's a two person race between Warner and Disney.
Completely irrelevant. As long as the division is profitable, that's all that matters. What Sony Pictures should be doing is making some more aggressive acquisitions to expand their IP portfolio and create an entertainment company that is more in line with today's industry. Acquiring something like Sumner Redstone's media empire or AMC Networks to get a stronger cable foothold and stronger IP portfolio.

Sony's electronics business would benefit by transforming more into an Apple/Samsung styled company. Not a company stuck in the past.
 
But is Sony Pictures producing enough compared to the investment and risk? Is coming out just over even worth it?
 
But is Sony Pictures producing enough compared to the investment and risk? Is coming out just over even worth it?
That is certainly an issue that Sony does need to address. They have a weak IP portfolio and they get bogged down by some costly duds. But those are the issues that need to be talked about, not portraying it as some studio that is losing money hand over fist and is in dire need to sell the Spider-Man rights.
 
More recently Sony are hurting from blu-ray also as Netflix and streaming gets bigger every year. Even if Sony Pictures is making money numerous other divisions of the company bleeding and consuming cash will affect decisions on purchasing new IPS and any kind of investment. At the moment Spider-man and its performance is still very important to Sony Pictures.
 
TASM2 is $19m behind where Cap 2 was at this point and it's getting drilled by Neighbors, not even competing. Wow.
 
TASM2 is $19m behind where Cap 2 was at this point and it's getting drilled by Neighbors, not even competing. Wow.

And it isn't a fluke based on a particular outlier day for one of the two films. TWS has beaten TASM2 every single day of release, and the gap between the two is getting larger with each day.

Yesterday TASM2 grossed $1.9 million. TWS on the same day grossed $4.3 million.
 
Godzilla's going to do it some damage this weekend too.
 
Godzilla smashed with $9.3m last night.
People have been underestimating Godzilla for weeks.
Not me. :word:

Sony's money problems are not as dire as many people make them out to be. The movie studio may be a bit underwhelming, but Sony's financial problems come from its ailing electronics division. But Sony Computer Entertainment will post a profit once its PS4 launch period is taken care of, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Sony Mobile, Sony Financial, and their cameras are profitable.
Then why are they selling real estate?
 
$1.9 million on its second Thursday lol.

That was terrible--terrible 14th day.

TASM2 is $19m behind where Cap 2 was at this point and it's getting drilled by Neighbors, not even competing. Wow.

And 3 years ago what % of folks knew of Cap compared to % who knew SM?

And it isn't a fluke based on a particular outlier day for one of the two films. TWS has beaten TASM2 every single day of release, and the gap between the two is getting larger with each day.


Yesterday TASM2 grossed $1.9 million. TWS on the same day grossed $4.3 million.

Yep, and will continue to do so because of the stiffer competition.

Godzilla's going to do it some damage this weekend too.

It will be a footnote after today. Next weekend X-Men will be the only thing comic related getting any business or buzz.

Yeah, folks the little things matter---a focused plotline--tight editing--lack of cringe worthy moments which are always to be avoided in CBM movies----not blown off as if it doesn't matter.
And the right actors for the right roles Jamie Foxx = not right for Electro.

Don't bust your ass getting Sheen, Cooper, Field, Stone and Garfield and then say..............

"Jamie Foxx is a big draw--heck if I could get him, I'd let him design his own version of the character!" :whatever:
 
Godzilla's Thursday night numbers were better then TASM2. TASM2 might get its legs cut this weekend. The early estimates might be way off for both Godzilla and TASM2 this weekend.
 
Then why are they selling real estate?
Because there are some serious problems within the Sony Group that needs to be fixed. Selling prime real estate at a profit is a great way to temporarily alleviate problems. But people are acting as if Sony is going to go bankrupt in the near future is absurd, there are some bright spots within the company. And it's especially absurd to act as if Sony Pictures is dragging the company down when it really isn't because the division is profitable.
 
Long term profitability vs short term profitability are two things though. Sony as a whole is hemorrhaging money out the butt. You can't have fiscal losses year after year after year. Spider-Man in the long term is profitable but not very much so now that ASM2 is making almost nothing compared to it's break even point and their universe building is going to lead to failure. Sony could sell back Spider-Man right now for 1 billion and I think Marvel would scoop it up.

Sony has to do something drastic asap. Selling off their sub companies and focusing more on the brand would be the smart thing to do in the short term. That's why we keep hearing year after year that Sony is considering selling Columbia. They put all their eggs into the Spider-Man basket and it has failed miserably. This is going to cause some talks at Sony.
 
Because there are some serious problems within the Sony Group that needs to be fixed. Selling prime real estate at a profit is a great way to temporarily alleviate problems. But people are acting as if Sony is going to go bankrupt in the near future is absurd, there are some bright spots within the company. And it's especially absurd to act as if Sony Pictures is dragging the company down when it really isn't because the division is profitable.
Which is sort of my point. You never do that unless you need to, as it is only a short term solution. How long before their rent payments turn eat up the money they got from the sale? 10 years, less?

Sony's biggest problem is they have been phased out of the industries that made them a giant in the first place. Apple has eaten their lunch. They are being forced to look for new resources and it hasn't been going great. Even when Playstation becomes profitable again, how long will that last?

I don't feel like Sony Pictures is dragging them down, but if they are in need of quick cash, selling Spidey would be a viable option. Which is why I bring it up, though others might for other reasons.
 
Sony also has some very powerful activist shareholders. They were under pressure to spinoff the entire entertainment unit not so long ago.
 
What if some really dodgy company ended up with spidey instead of marvel, that'd be a funny turn of events.
 
The problem of Spiderman franchise is not the box office result of TASM2, which is still good...the problem is that noone can guarantee that TASM3 will generate the same numbers.

Unfortunately for SONY adding more supervillains or an anti-hero like Venom in a movie, it's not the same or having The Avengers or Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie.
 
Yeah remember marvel is owned by Disney, they'd be the one's to buy the spidey franchise.

I can't see any other company with the pockets or means to outbid them in a sale?
 
The contract likely stipulates that the rights can't be sold on to anyone outside of Marvel.
 
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