The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - - - - Part 39

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[Alex_Spider]

Just for the sake of it? Just because some whiny fanboy doesn't know why a change was made doesn't make it an arbitrary change, it just means that they weren't included in production meetings. You see that crap all the time around here, endless complaints about costume materials, reshoots, why was this person cast, why didn't they use that villain, etc. all from clueless people who delude themselves into thinking they're expert filmmakers, like they know more than the professionals who have been doing this for years and have good reasons for doing things the way they do.

Like that guy upthread. Who appointed him All Seeing Keeper of Spider-Man Lore? He's perfectly free to dislike the film all he wants but going on ridiculous, sneering tirades about how today's comics have murdered and buried his childhood and how Marvel "doesn't respect their characters" because they no longer fit into his tidy little definition of what that character is? It's nonsense.

No one appointed me a keeper of the SM lore. I just pointed out some obvious things. I wasn't referring to all of today's comics. For the sake of discussion, I consider the Ultimate line mostly along with some over the top Millar work to be a travesty and a bastardisation of the classic story lines. It is no wonder why Alan Moore, one of the most influential figure in the field of storytelling, shares a similar distaste for some things regarding newer generation stuff that many of you keep ignoring and others like calling him an angry ol' grumpy man that likes to get into people's nerves.

In the end, if you put side by side the 616 universe, the ultimate and the movies, it is very clear which is more durable and strong in the test of time. Newer stuff and cinema spectacle, might seem "cooler", but that is for a while. Nothing beats the original. That's just how it is.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nothing beats the original. That's just how it is.

What about when bread was first sliced? It ruined everything. Bread was meant to come in loaves dammit, full untouched loaves. Not some ridiculous slices arbitrarily cut by some knife-wielding hipster who doesn't respect the vision of the original bakers.

 

[Vid Electricz]

What about when bread was first sliced? It ruined everything. Bread was meant to come in loaves dammit, full untouched loaves. Not some ridiculous slices arbitrarily cut by some knife-wielding hipster who doesn't respect the vision of the original bakers.

Perhaps a more apt comparison is something like Romeo and Juliet. Contemporary adaptations/iterations come and go, and they keep the story alive for generations to come, etc... but Bill's original text is what we will always return to.

 

[Oscorp]

I will always love 616 the most, I've never been a fan of Ultimate to be honest. But I feel Webb takes inspiration from both, and TSSM.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I remember when bread was first sliced. It ruined everything. Bread was meant to come in loaves dammit, full untouched loaves. Not some ridiculous slices arbitrarily cut by some knife-wielding hipster who doesn't respect the original bakers.

Those are physical things and tools, that they are supposed to be updated as technology progresses to make our lives better.

What we' re talking is about art and pieces of literature in general, that are in a man's head and they have a specific form to entertain in a smart way and get your fantasy in to work. Now, when an original piece of art gets distorted and twisted solely for the purpose of profit and mindless spectacle, that's when things go bad.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Perhaps a more apt comparison is something like Romeo and Juliet. Contemporary adaptations/iterations come and go, and they keep the story alive for generations to come, etc... but Bill's original text is what we will always return to.

Oh, don't mention Shakespeare. They will mock us for thinking that classic Spidey stories are as artistic as classic literature lol

 

[Oscorp]

New adaptions have both weaknesses and strenghtes, sometimes they are great to make an older story fit in a more modern setting. But most often times, unfortunately, they try to fix what ain't broken I feel.

I'd love a TV series in a time when visual effects are heavily improved for such, that's basically the good old 616 stuff (the great era of the Peter, Gwen, Harry and MJ friendship), made to fit a modern setting (with a more modern language, less cheese), where the villains don't deviate from the classic versions too much (like Goblin being a monster, or Shocker being a...whatever the heck that is) etc. but at the same time not being too cheesy.

I truly feel Spider-Man would work best in a live action TV show sometime

EDIT: Or simply a cartoon...seeing as TSSM is almost perfect already

 

[Whiskey Tango]

art gets distorted and twisted solely for the purpose of profit

Good thing Stan and Jack never made any money off comi--oh wait.

Look, I'm done with this. You can keep posting about it all you like, long into the night for all I care. But this?

Nothing beats the original. That's just how it is.

No, that's not how it is. All you're doing is telling people their own outlook is wrong because it isn't yours.

Anything can be improved upon, even someone else's creation.

 

[TheLastBlade]

Kinda like how TMNT 2003 is better than the 1980's one.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Imo, Ultimate Spider-Man is the the best version of the character after Lee/Ditko/Romita Sr.

 

[Web face]

I have two nitpicks about Electro's lightning:

1.) The sound is pretty cool when Electro shoots lightning, but wouldn't it make more sense if it sounded more like thunder?
2.) To me, it looks like the lightning isn't traveling fast enough, I feel like I shouldn't be able to see it travel at all. I know it doesn't travel at the speed of light, but there doesn't seem to be much distance between spidey and Electro in the last shot.

Also, did anyone notice how the electricity left that red streak at 1:54? I remember seeing that on some iPod thing or some website thing.

 

[The Shape]

I don't understand what the issue is here. New interpretations are always welcome, in my eyes. The original 616 Spidey universe will always exist for us to read. Nearly everything beyond that can be considered a new interpretation. This includes the Ultimate comics and all film adaptations.

The medium of comic books, in general, is not a medium that welcomes direct page-to-screen adaptations in that way that something like the LOTR trilogy does (unless we're talking about a singular one-shot series like Watchmen or V for Vendetta). Spidey's 616 universe simply has too much to draw from at this point to directly translate its stories to the screen. It doesn't have what we'd consider to be a beginning, middle, and end. Therefore, I'd prefer for screenwriters to continue to pull from different factions of the Spidey mythos in order to come up with original stories for films. That way, we get to see things we've always wanted to see from the comics but in ways we truly haven't seen before.

Say what you want about Nolan's Batman films, but what I love about them is how he used the source material but still delivered original stories to us. His trilogy is essentially one complete story with a beginning, middle, and definite end, but we still saw so many things inspired by different comics -- Year One, The Man Who Falls, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, Knightfall, Dark Knight Returns, etc. I'll gladly take a mythos-spanning trilogy like that over 3 films based on only one specific run of comics. Thankfully, Webb seems to be doing something similar.

 

[Spideyfan117]

1.) The sound is pretty cool when Electro shoots lightning, but wouldn't it make more sense if it sounded more like thunder?

That would have kicked ass. But I guess they just decided a tesla coil-ish sound would be more appropriate. I like it.

 

[Spideyfan117]

I don't understand what the issue is here. New interpretations are always welcome, in my eyes. The original 616 Spidey universe will always exist for us to read. Nearly everything beyond that can be considered a new interpretation. This includes the Ultimate comics and all film adaptations.

The medium of comic books, in general, is not a medium that welcomes direct page-to-screen adaptations in that way that something like the LOTR trilogy does (unless we're talking about a singular one-shot series like Watchmen or V for Vendetta). Spidey's 616 universe simply has too much to draw from at this point to directly translate its stories to the screen. It doesn't have what we'd consider to be a beginning, middle, and end. Therefore, I'd prefer for screenwriters to continue to pull from different factions of the Spidey mythos in order to come up with original stories for films. That way, we get to see things we've always wanted to see from the comics but in ways we truly haven't seen before.

Say what you want about Nolan's Batman films, but what I love about them is how he used the source material but still delivered original stories to us. His trilogy is essentially one complete story with a beginning, middle, and definite end, but we still saw so many things inspired by different comics -- Year One, The Man Who Falls, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, Knightfall, Dark Knight Returns, etc. I'll gladly take a mythos-spanning trilogy like that over 3 films based on only one specific run of comics. Thankfully, Webb seems to be doing something similar.

Couldn't have said it any better. I prefer it when directors and writers adapt a story by interpreting the material in creative ways. Comic books lend themselves to varied creative interpretations more than other types of sources simply because there is so much to draw from.

 

[The Shape]

I have two nitpicks about Electro's lightning:

1.) The sound is pretty cool when Electro shoots lightning, but wouldn't it make more sense if it sounded more like thunder?
2.) To me, it looks like the lightning isn't traveling fast enough, I feel like I shouldn't be able to see it travel at all. I know it doesn't travel at the speed of light, but there doesn't seem to be much distance between spidey and Electro in the last shot.

Also, did anyone notice how the electricity left that red streak at 1:54? I remember seeing that on some iPod thing or some website thing.

Not sure what the electricity should sound like (I thought it sounded cool in the trailer), but I doubt the sound effects in the trailer will be completely the same as what we'll hear in the film itself. There's no way the sound editing and mixing is complete. Teasers and trailers will often use placeholder sound effects.

 

[The Shape]

Couldn't have said it any better. I prefer it when directors and writers adapt a story by interpreting the material in creative ways. Comic books lend themselves to varied creative interpretations more than other types of sources simply because there is so much to draw from.

Yeah, and like I said, there's just too much to draw from. No matter what film writers choose to focus on, there will still be fans who'll be upset that they aren't getting to see a particular run that they've always longed to see on the big screen.

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Not sure what the electricity should sound like (I thought it sounded cool in the trailer), but I doubt the sound effects in the trailer will be completely the same as what we'll hear in the film itself. There's no way the sound editing and mixing is complete. Teasers and trailers will often use placeholder sound effects.

That's cool that you say that.

Honestly, I don't know what the sound dept or Zimmer is doing, but I always pictured a person having their hair rising whenever near Electro, so what about for the audience, they create a theme or a noise that literally makes your hair rise.

Cool thought to think about.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I don't understand what the issue is here. New interpretations are always welcome, in my eyes. The original 616 Spidey universe will always exist for us to read. Nearly everything beyond that can be considered a new interpretation. This includes the Ultimate comics and all film adaptations.

The medium of comic books, in general, is not a medium that welcomes direct page-to-screen adaptations in that way that something like the LOTR trilogy does (unless we're talking about a singular one-shot series like Watchmen or V for Vendetta). Spidey's 616 universe simply has too much to draw from at this point to directly translate its stories to the screen. It doesn't have what we'd consider to be a beginning, middle, and end. Therefore, I'd prefer for screenwriters to continue to pull from different factions of the Spidey mythos in order to come up with original stories for films. That way, we get to see things we've always wanted to see from the comics but in ways we truly haven't seen before.

Say what you want about Nolan's Batman films, but what I love about them is how he used the source material but still delivered original stories to us. His trilogy is essentially one complete story with a beginning, middle, and definite end, but we still saw so many things inspired by different comics -- Year One, The Man Who Falls, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, Knightfall, Dark Knight Returns, etc. I'll gladly take a mythos-spanning trilogy like that over 3 films based on only one specific run of comics. Thankfully, Webb seems to be doing something similar.

Completely agree as far as adapting a wide breadth of material goes... but there is something to be said as far as execution goes. Begins was a masterful reboot that set the bar (and template) for many superhero origin stories that would follow (TASM and MoS to be sure).

I wouldn't even put Webb and Nolan in the same sentence. Raimi though, was quite successful in mining the Spidey mythos and combining several different elements from the comics to create the superhero origin movie that kicked the door off it's hinges.

Not sure what the electricity should sound like (I thought it sounded cool in the trailer), but I doubt the sound effects in the trailer will be completely the same as what we'll hear in the film itself. There's no way the sound editing and mixing is complete. Teasers and trailers will often use placeholder sound effects.

Yes they do. Anyone remember the Godzilla scream the Sandman did whilst emerging from the truck in the SM3 trailer?

 

[Venom'sDad]

I will always love 616 the most, I've never been a fan of Ultimate to be honest. But I feel Webb takes inspiration from both, and TSSM.

Actually, I think Webb gets in inspiration from the Spectacular cartoon, more than the Ultimates...and rightly so. Everyone involved with this film, including some Sony Execs, are aware of the love/hate fir the Ultimates. These films seem to be more inspired from the cartoon, mixed with stories from 616, using the more modern look of the Ultimates.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think there is plenty of inspiration from the Ultimate Spider-Man series. Only some hardcore fans who hate anything other than the 616 disapprove of it.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I think there is plenty of inspiration from the Ultimate Spider-Man series. Only some hardcore fans who hate anything other than the 616 disapprove of it.

I read Ult X-Men but not USM. I heard very good things about it, especially the first few volumes. What similarities are their to the movies?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I read Ult X-Men but not USM. I heard very good things about it, especially the first few volumes. What similarities are their to the movies?

Ultimate Spider-Man #1-39 are the best (collected in volumes 1-6, or USM Omnibus). There are a number of similarities off the top of my head:

1- Peter's parents are scientists
2- Oscorp is responsible for Peter becoming Spider-Man, and is connected to a lot of things.
3- Electro's design is similar to what we see in TASM2
4- Uncle Ben's speech about responsibility
5- A younger, more "hip" Aunt May
6- Peter no longer being a 60's nerd, but more of just a modern outcast

There is a lot more that I can't think of right now. I just bought Ultimate X-Men volume 1 & 2. What is the best of that series?

 

[GoldGoblin]

On the poster that they released showing the three villains,it doesn't show Electro in his costume,Rhino standing,so Goblin could be different too than what we see in that poster.