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[Nemeres]

how would everyone compare Spiderman 1 vs the amazing Spiderman?
There are some things I like better about each movie. Spiderman 1 costumer was better, music was way better that was one of my least favorite things about the amazing Spiderman was the music. Spiderman 1 had more remiable lines and I liked willam acting more then the lizard guys acting. The amazing Spiderman had better action to me and the lizard look I liked more then goblin and I thought his plot made more sences then goblin plot. I liked anderw grafiled more then toby and ema stone more the Kristin dust and thought they had better chemistry and thought they where wringten better and I loved how Spiderman was more of a wise guy and how they showed more of his smarts in thee movie.

Spider-Man 1 wins hands down, in my humble [BLACKOUT](and correct! Lol, kidding)[/BLACKOUT] opinion. I feel that if you subtracted Garfield's performance from TASM, you'd be left with a much more self-evident mess. Garfield's a more charismatic lead, but SM1 is the superior film.

 

[Picard Sisko]

My problem with SM1 is that the second half of the movie has almost nothing to do with the first half. At least with TASM1, everything seems to flow a lot better (although the quality still drops in the second half as well).

 

[Spider-Ock]

My problem with SM1 is that the second half of the movie has almost nothing to do with the first half. At least with TASM1, everything seems to flow a lot better (although the quality still drops in the second half as well).

Picard Sisko, how many stars would you give TASM1? I'd give it a 7.5-8/10 while SM1 an 8.5

 

[Morbius]

My problem with SM1 is that the second half of the movie has almost nothing to do with the first half. At least with TASM1, everything seems to flow a lot better (although the quality still drops in the second half as well).

I disagree - I think it's actually the reverse - as in, everything flowed a lot better in SM1, rather than TASM1. Maybe you mean narratively - I suppose the story had a flow in TASM1, but the scenes didn't fit together at all, and BOOM, suddenly, Connors is evil.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Picard Sisko, how many stars would you give TASM1? I'd give it a 7.5-8/10 while SM1 an 8.5

TASM1 - 7.5/10
SM1 - 7/10

I disagree - I think it's actually the reverse - as in, everything flowed a lot better in SM1, rather than TASM1.

What I mean is that with SM1, as soon as Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man, it feels like a completely different movie. There is a pretty clear cutoff point after the city montage sequence. Green Goblin did't tie into anything regarding the origin of Spider-Man, where the Lizard in TASM1 actually did.

 

[AnneFan]

I suppose the story had a flow in TASM1, but the scenes didn't fit together at all, and BOOM, suddenly, Connors is evil.

I think SM (2002) is the better movie, but I thought they handed Connors' descent into The Lizard well. He was always adamant about ethics and respecting trials, but when his dream of a new arm was going to be taken away, he became desperate, not evil.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well I thought it was pretty clear that the lizard serum make Connors evil. He was a good guy up until he got addicted to the formula. The transition could have been better, but it wasn't confusing or anything. They just needed to spend more time with his character to make it feel less awkward.

 

[Morbius]

The transition could have been better, but it wasn't confusing or anything. They just needed to spend more time with his character to make it feel less awkward.

That's what I was trying to say but for some reason, I couldn't find the words

 

[GoodYoung]

I'd give it a 7.5-8/10 while SM1 an 8.5

I'd give TASM a 9/10
Spider-Man 1 - 6-6,5/10.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's what I was trying to say but for some reason, I couldn't find the words

Gotcha.

I think the scene where Peter visits Dr. Connors (right before the police station) marks the point where the film starts to drop in quality. It was just very head scratching. Though it starts to pick up again once we get to the sewer sequence IMO.

 

[Perry9]

I have to say that i love these forums, but it is pathetic when things get like this...

Just my two cents.

Now, i'd give TASM as a film a 7.5/10 and as a Spider-man film a 9/10.

 

[Morbius]

I have to say that i love these forums, but it is pathetic when things get like this...

Just my two cents.

Now, i'd give TASM as a film a 7.5/10 and as a Spider-man film a 9/10.

It's important to have a thick skin - I do like it when both sides are considered, but as a fan of TASM franchise, I do find it annoying when people come here with no intention of liking it, calling Rhino a 'go-bot' and Dane's Goblin, 'evil ed', whatever that is

 

[Perry9]

It's important to have a thick skin - I do like it when both sides are considered, but as a fan of TASM franchise, I do find it annoying when people come here with no intention of liking it, calling Rhino a 'go-bot' and Dane's Goblin, 'evil ed', whatever that is

I find it annoying too. I mean, i would never go over to the Spider-man boards to say that Doc Ock being controlled by his metal arms was stupid, or Raimi recycling the plot for all three films was lazy. I know that there are people there that love those films, even if i don't anymore, and i understand that they want to discuss them without anyone saying how stupid they were. I just find it weird that someone would discuss a film that does't like. Anyway, i don't want to get into more detail. Let's discuss this film.

 

[Morbius]

I love them all - but I also find it absolutely ridiculous that people get so divisive as to use loaded phrases like 'webb/Raimi apologists'. Every time I read someone using that phrase, even in my own sentence here, I sigh

 

[Picard Sisko]

It's important to have a thick skin - I do like it when both sides are considered, but as a fan of TASM franchise, I do find it annoying when people come here with no intention of liking it, calling Rhino a 'go-bot' and Dane's Goblin, 'evil ed', whatever that is

I agree. A few certain members will criticize everything and anything we get out of the Webb franchise. It's as if they want to spread as much negativity around TASM2 before it comes out, and nothing they say is thought provoking.

And if you dare ask them why they say these things, they just pull the victim card and say how nobody respects their opinion.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I love them all - but I also find it absolutely ridiculous that people get so divisive as to use loaded phrases like 'webb/Raimi apologists'. Every time I read someone using that phrase, even in my own sentence here, I sigh

I consider myself a Spider-Man fan. Not a Raimi or Webb fanboy. I think both interpretations of Spider-Man are great in their own ways.

However, I think Webb's series has more potential overall because of how much is being planned for the future. Raimi set himself up to only make a few movies, where Webb can tie everything together (thank you, Oscorp) and branch out into an expanded universe. I think TASM2 could end up being my favorite Spider-Man film, or at least pretty close (SM2 is at the top for me right now).

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I consider myself a Spider-Man fan. Not a Raimi or Webb fanboy. I think both interpretations of Spider-Man are great in their own ways.

Yep. I'm not a Raimi fan nor a Webb fan, I'm a Spider-Man fan.

My rankings:
SM2 - 9.5
TASM/SM - 9.0
SM3 - 6.5

 

[Avenging Spidey]

I agree. A few certain members will criticize everything and anything we get out of the Webb franchise. It's as if they want to spread as much negativity around TASM2 before it comes out, and nothing they say is thought provoking.

And if you dare ask them why they say these things, they just pull the victim card and say how nobody respects their opinion.

As long as people respect each other's opinions, we should all be fine. I don't understand why someone would,devote the time of their days to spread negativety about something they haven't even watch it yet, but that's not really my problem, it's theirs.

The vast majority comes regularly because they are at the very least cautiously optimistic about the film. For an example, I couldn't be more pessimistic about DoFP, and I'm a HUGE X-Men fan, but since I didn't even watch the film, I feel that going out of my way to talk down the film as something childish to do, especially among those who are actually anticipating the film. I could eventually post something saying what I think, but I wouldn't keep going about how much I dislike something all day, every day.

But that's me. That's the majority of us here as well. I feel that as long as our opinions are respected - and I hope that after a mod asked people to talk about the film instead of bickering - we all will be fine. See, haters when they want to talk down something viciously, can't do any harm if they are a minority. If we ignore them, they probably won't go away, but what they say will be less effective.

My problem is when someone in order to talk down a film, personally attacks my opinion. We all should grow thicker skins, but personal attacks and making fun of someone's tastes should always be a NO around here, especially when it's about The Amazing Spider-Man franchise, the reason most of us come here to this corner of the SHH boards.

It seems to me that since they are in minority, they realize that just constantly talking negatively about the film is not enough, they feel the need to make jokes about those who enjoy the film as well, attempting to derail the thread and pour cold water in our excitement for the film. I feel that as long as they respect our opinion and understand they are the minority here, the boards will be fine. If they keep disrespecting our opinions though, hopefully the mods will intertwine and bring balance to the force, making them respect our opinions.

I'm a Spider-Man fan, and I've been a Spider-Man fan my entire life. I hope we all can respect each other's opinions, positive or negative, but those who wander around here to spread constant negativety should be aware that their opinion is in the minority, and since we are here to talk about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 mostly, posts like "how can you like that, he looks terrible LOL" or "do you seriously like that" should be avoided, not because the mods say so, but because good manners and message boards etiquette say so.

Now can we go back to talking about TASM2? I can't wait to see which image they are releasing today for the trailer's countdown.

 

[AnneFan]

I consider myself a Spider-Man fan. Not a Raimi or Webb fanboy. I think both interpretations of Spider-Man are great in their own ways.

However, I think Webb's series has more potential overall because of how much is being planned for the future. Raimi set himself up to only make a few movies, where Webb can tie everything together (thank you, Oscorp) and branch out into an expanded universe.

Same sentiments with me on the first point.

I can see why Webb would be wanting to

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kill Gwen off here

if he is going to leave after TASM3. With that out of the way, he can introduce

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MJ

and leave the film and his tenure at a state of equilibrium, and as a trilogy, even though the story will go on, with or without him or Garfield.

 

[SikeMullivan]

TASM vs. SM1, eh?

Peter Parker - TASM. Andrew all the way.

Spider-Man - TASM. Same as above.

Villain - SM1. Connors/Lizard was horribly mismanaged and underdeveloped.

Love interest - TASM. Is an explanation even needed?

Uncle Ben's death - Tough. Andrew's performance was better, but the overall scenario made more sense in SM1. Tie.

Battles/Action - I thought the way Marc blended the action with dramatic elements, specifically in the 3rd act was the correct way to go but you could tell he was still uncomfortable with the action aspect of film making. Slight edge to SM1 due to the warehouse fight.

Aunt May - TASM. It was relieving to have an Aunt May that wasn't spewing conveniently applicable advice/knowledge all of the time and rather have an Aunt May that simply was there for Peter when he needed her to be. I will say that I'll be upset if she doesn't figure out Peter is Spidey in TASM2 (especially considering I had thought she figured it out at the end of TASM )

Story/Origin - I think TASM catches a lot of unwarranted flack solely because they chose to cover the origin again. I truly believe that had TASM been the Spider-Man movie that was released first, it would be looked upon in favor over Raimi's. Raimi's origin was rushed and I agree that it really didn't have any effect on Peter's character other than serving as a catalyst for the magical montage where Peter becomes Spider-Man over the course of 5 minutes. I enjoyed that there was trial and error in TASM and not only from a physical perspective, but also an emotional and moral perspective as well.


I think TASM edges SM1 out albeit barely. I also haven't seen SM1 in a long time due to my worry that its not aging well will skew my opinion on it.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I like both series as SM1 was the first movie I ever saw in my entire life. Even if TASM1 is better, I have an emotional attachment to SM1.

Anyways, if someone were to invent a drinking game on the no. of times M.J. Screamed in SM2, all of you guys would be pretty drunk.

 

[Morbius]

Yep. I'm not a Raimi fan nor a Webb fan, I'm a Spider-Man fan.

THIS!

Totes read that in a Tobey voice

 

[JOE]

2 days till the movie is spoiled. Can't wait!