The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - Part 86

[Spider2099]

Oh god Spider-knight came back again? He's like a boomerang. No matter how many times SHH throws him away he keeps coming back.

He won't ever give up.

 

[Erzengel]

Oh god Spider-knight came back again? He's like a boomerang. No matter how many times SHH throws him away he keeps coming back.

Saying, hey guys I'm new here what do you guys think about a TASM2 Director's Cut is usually an easy indication.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I wouldn't be surprised if they never even got as far as a concrete plan for what was supposed to happen next.

You're probably right. It's not like they had a concrete plan for ASM2. Constant changes, editing mishaps, poor script construction--yeah, they were shooting from the hip. Even the various quotes from the actors and production staff support this.

I think back to how all the cast members were saying "oh this script is so good! Best ever." I wanted to believe them so much, especially Andrew. He has such an earnest sincerity. But boy, were they wrong. I dunno, maybe the original draft of the script was much better than what we got--at least from the technical side of movie making. There was probably a much better flow. Ahhh, probably not.

 

[TheLastBlade]

You know, things like the uncertainty of scripts and scenes only make me curious on the idea if scenes like Peter jay-walking on a busy street actually happened before the cuts :/

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Yeah. Maybe in this case certain things sounded great on the page but didn't translate well to the screen.

 

[Daedalus]

You're probably right. It's not like they had a concrete plan for ASM2. Constant changes, editing mishaps, poor script construction--yeah, they were shooting from the hip. Even the various quotes from the actors and production staff support this.

I think back to how all the cast members were saying "oh this script is so good! Best ever." I wanted to believe them so much, especially Andrew. He has such an earnest sincerity. But boy, were they wrong. I dunno, maybe the original draft of the script was much better than what we got--at least from the technical side of movie making. There was probably a much better flow.Ahhh, probably not.

I think the clear problem with TASM2 is that it lacks focus on a single vision for the movie. It`s like many movies happening at once, because the studio, Arad and Webb kept pushing for what they would like to see best. You have:

(a) A clear mystery and romance story with no principal villain, which comes to its climax at Green Goblin`s reveal to Peter and Gwen`s death. In this story, the ending makes perfect storytelling sense;

or

(b) A traditional hero vs villain story with Spider-Man and Electro, including many scenes setting up Electro`s persona, motivations, and objectives. This story comes to its climax in the Electro vs Spider-Man battle, which is why many people feel Green Goblin is such an afterthought and that ending makes no structural storytelling sense at all.

Aside from that, you have the studio cramming in setup for movies they would like to make. Had they all focused on (a), developing it more and letting Electro just be a minor villain like Rhino (a superbad of the week, if you will), the movie`s story would have flowed a lot better.

 

[W/ Great Power]

You're probably right. It's not like they had a concrete plan for ASM2. Constant changes, editing mishaps, poor script construction--yeah, they were shooting from the hip. Even the various quotes from the actors and production staff support this.

I've never seen shoehorning be so evident in the final product of a film. There was a lot of enthusiasm that got in the way in my first viewing, but after that, it was just ridiculous.

I'm hopeful about Spidey's future mainly because of what was revealed in the leaks. The folks at Marvel have spent a year, if not more, crafting a genuine plan for Spidey's entrance into the MCU. I'm still reading backlash from a few people here and there about how it'll happen, but my frame of mind as a fan is completely the opposite of what it was a month ago.

I think back to how all the cast members were saying "oh this script is so good! Best ever." I wanted to believe them so much, especially Andrew. He has such an earnest sincerity. But boy, were they wrong. I dunno, maybe the original draft of the script was much better than what we got--at least from the technical side of movie making. There was probably a much better flow. Ahhh, probably not.

I thought about a lot of those comments myself. A part of me thinks they might have just been promoting the film, but as you said, Garfield (and Stone) seem pretty sincere in their interviews.

In regards to the original script, wasn't there someone else who also came out and said it got completely scrapped?

 

[Snow Queen]

You're probably right. It's not like they had a concrete plan for ASM2. Constant changes, editing mishaps, poor script construction--yeah, they were shooting from the hip. Even the various quotes from the actors and production staff support this.

I think back to how all the cast members were saying "oh this script is so good! Best ever." I wanted to believe them so much, especially Andrew. He has such an earnest sincerity. But boy, were they wrong. I dunno, maybe the original draft of the script was much better than what we got--at least from the technical side of movie making. There was probably a much better flow. Ahhh, probably not.

I'm willing to bet the original script was probably better than what we got (though likely still flawed in a lot of ways). But man with the edits and the shoehorning things in, it really drags the film down.

It'd be nice to hear from someone involved in the series what the hell the original plan was before Sony stuck their fingers in it. What about that surveillance subplot, for example?

 

[Spider2099]

I wish someone would leak the original draft written by James Vanderbilt.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I've never seen shoehorning be so evident in the final product of a film. There was a lot of enthusiasm that got in the way in my first viewing, but after that, it was just ridiculous.

I'm hopeful about Spidey's future mainly because of what was revealed in the leaks. The folks at Marvel have spent a year, if not more, crafting a genuine plan for Spidey's entrance into the MCU. I'm still reading backlash from a few people here and there about how it'll happen, but my frame of mind as a fan is completely the opposite of what it was a month ago.



I thought about a lot of those comments myself. A part of me thinks they might have just been promoting the film, but as you said, Garfield (and Stone) seem pretty sincere in their interviews.

In regards to the original script, wasn't there someone else who also came out and said it got completely scrapped?

Rothman's entrance aside, I'm still pretty confident in Marvel's ability to make things go smoothly with Spider-Man. At least I have more faith in Marvel making a Spidey movie than a Sony made one--especially after reading those emails. Gah! I still have some of those dreadful ideas for the movies burned into my brain from those leaks *throws symbiote into a trash can because the S6 was making fun of his new costume* My forehead has a slight dent.

I too was blinded by ASM2. I noticed some of the flaws in the film but simply threw them away because I was so in love with Garfield's Spider-Man. He owned that character and I don't care what anyone else has to say--he nailed the on screen persona of Spidey. It blinded me to the film's overall issues. Upon repeat viewings the luster began to fade and I saw what the film really was--a disaster. Maybe that's a bit harsh as I don't think this is the worst CBM evar! but it did kill a franchise so....

Like Spider2099 said, there was a Vanderbilt draft of a script. I've no idea how finished that script was or what ideas were left over and moved to the new script written by magic blood duo Orci and Kurtzman. I don't remember anyone involved with the making of the movie say the original was scrapped but there definitely was a different draft written. But honestly, how much of that script was utilized?! All the changes they made during prinicpal photography! No reason to believe that Sony would ever learn the lesson they needed to learn.

I'm willing to bet the original script was probably better than what we got (though likely still flawed in a lot of ways). But man with the edits and the shoehorning things in, it really drags the film down.

It'd be nice to hear from someone involved in the series what the hell the original plan was before Sony stuck their fingers in it. What about that surveillance subplot, for example?

I was a bit wary of the whole surveillance plot because what I was thinking, it somehow involved Norman knowing Peter's identity. I wanted his identity to stay a secret. But after seeing the deleted scene that kinda explained the surveillance plot, it wasn't about that at all. Norman was having Peter followed/spied upon because of what his father had done. He wanted to know if Richard had left his secrets with Peter. The whole surveillance thing added tension to the plot, something that was missing entirely. Actually both the plot and tension were missing.

 

[Daltonio]

 

[GoldGoblin]

They should of just had a mob boss have Oscorp create super villains because spidey is in their way as we see with the armored truck sequence.Electro could of been created and defeated at time square,goes to prison,then Oscorp creates villain #2 who is Rhino.

They would of been minor villains for some cool action scenes,but the real villain could of been Norman.

 

[Spider2099]

Like Spider2099 said, there was a Vanderbilt draft of a script. I've no idea how finished that script was or what ideas were left over and moved to the new script written by magic blood duo Orci and Kurtzman. I don't remember anyone involved with the making of the movie say the original was scrapped but there definitely was a different draft written. But honestly, how much of that script was utilized?! All the changes they made during prinicpal photography! No reason to believe that Sony would ever learn the lesson they needed to learn.
I remember how Orci and Kurtzman were supposed to give a "script polish" initially, but it seems like they probably just rewrote the movie from scratch. I really want to know what was in that Vanderbilt draft.

I was a bit wary of the whole surveillance plot because what I was thinking, it somehow involved Norman knowing Peter's identity. I wanted his identity to stay a secret. But after seeing the deleted scene that kinda explained the surveillance plot, it wasn't about that at all. Norman was having Peter followed/spied upon because of what his father had done. He wanted to know if Richard had left his secrets with Peter. The whole surveillance thing added tension to the plot, something that was missing entirely. Actually both the plot and tension were missing.

TASM2 is literally a movie full of subplots and no plot.

 

[spiderman2]

Awesome! Where did you find that?

 

[danistheman12]

seriously would've been better if they restructured the script to have harry be the main antagonist. Spider-man could have still been a public menace .Harry wants spider-man's blood to cure himself so he uses the companies robotics division to initiate a spider slayer program. Ultimately that fails and he experiments on himself and becomes green goblin. That would've been more interesting honestly and is a more streamlined narrative.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

seriously would've been better if they restructured the script to have harry be the main antagonist. Spider-man could have still been a public menace .Harry wants spider-man's blood to cure himself so he uses the companies robotics division to initiate a spider slayer program. Ultimately that fails and he experiments on himself and becomes green goblin. That would've been more interesting honestly and is a more streamlined narrative.

Ultimately, Harry is/was the main antagonist. I know Marc Webb stated during several interviews pre-release that Electro was going to be the main villain. This was/is an obvious fabrication meant to sway people into thinking he would be in order to have GG's entrance be a total surprise. But thanks to Sony's marketing division, the surprise was essentially ruined.

Electro was not the main villain. My point for this argument is that you could take every scene featuring Max Dillon or Electro and remove them from the film and it would have zero impact on the film's plot and/or story. Although one could make an argument there is no plot I'm just assuming there is one for the point of Electro not being the main baddie. The only scene that you probably could have kept in the movie with Electro was Harry discovering him being kept at Ryker's and then have Harry break him out...Spidey battles Electro...enter the GG...etc, etc. Otherwise, Electro was a non-entity. All spark and no substance.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Andrew's fist is bigger than Spidey's fist.

 

[BatsDC]

Andrew and Emma have split up.

Brings a kind of weird closure to the duology.

 

[Green Goblin]

Andrew and Emma have split up.

Brings a kind of weird closure to the duology.

I heard they were just "taking a break".

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well that's depressing they were like the perfect couple.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It's rare that these Hollywood relationships last. But, best of luck to them. They seemed to be a really cool couple and earnest.

 

[Daltonio]

Awesome! Where did you find that?

I just randomly came across it on Reddit.

Andrew and Emma have split up.

Brings a kind of weird closure to the duology.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I feel really bad for Andrew after all of this fallout. Spider-man becoming part of the MCU is bigger than keeping a specific actor continuity, but the guy has a passion for the character that I can certainly respect.

 

[The Joker]

Going by the leaked emails it sounded like Andrew wanted out of the franchise.

 

[Leenie]

Going by the leaked emails it sounded like Andrew wanted out of the franchise.

Yeah, that's what it seemed like to me.

Not questioning whether he had passion for the character or not, because I honestly think he did have a lot of excitement at first. Considering how the movies turned out, though ... Yeah, I can see why he would want to jump ship.

It's a shame, really. I think he deserved better. I didn't like him in the role, but I still don't think that's his fault.

I hope that Andrew Garfield succeeds at his future projects. He's in an upcoming Scorcese movie ... I'm hoping and expecting for good things from that. I'm sure that Garfield's career will be just fine.