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Discussion in 'The Amazing Spider-Man Movies' started by Thread Manager, Aug 13, 2012.
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No,way before that
In Around 12 days I think
Tell me who didnt assume?
Is it too much to assume for a movie to cross 700M when the sequel made 900M?
Because I dont believe that TASM exists because of BB like you keep saying
They are less awful than......Well you know
I have been posting facts all along that this is the 2nd best reboot if not the best yet
All you have been saying is 'It SHOULD have done better'
They didnt give a rat ass about trend
There were 2 options to be different from the '02 movie...Either go the IC way and show the origin in a brief montage and concentrate on the main villian OR make the origin a major part of the movie
They went with the second option
It was replacing Jameson.Fact
You still havent disproved me..I think you can do better than posting simileys
Nuclear Fusion is Nuclear Fusion
And thats important because?
Yes it did it in some 12-15 days
And you probably didnt have this kind of belief with TDK?
As I said,you biasness is out of the world
Unlike Batman Begins..this movie also made money outside North America
He was even friendzoned..no wonder he cried
The guy who left your father for dead..Sleep with him
The guy who gave everything for you..Goodbye my friend
Why?Because **** logic that why
And yet you saw it twice
TDKR was supposedly 4 hours long,and its final cut is 2:45
So I guess WB intervened and chopped the movie
What a dummy Nolan is
Keep telling yourself that
Its just a collection of reviews..so here you are disagreeing with 250 odd reviewers
Very Very bad logic
Movies like Iron Man werent hyped either and neither was Batman Begins
Hype has something to do with the fanbase and the previous movies released..the advantage that a first movie does not have
Still way lower than TDK
Thats actually true for all movies
That guy in the link is just assuming the marketing budget like the rest of us
And you call it fact
This link says 305M combined
SM1 and SM2 grossed close to 2 billion together
X-Men grossed 300M from a 75M budget in 2000
And X2 grossed 410M from a 110M budget in 2003
Since we are taking into consideration on how much that 70M amount corresponds to the 230M budget
So SM3 had a 31% budget more than TASM and TASM grossed 29% less than SM3
No because we are comparing it to the last movie released
But still way lower than 5.41
No TASM is a reboot..your point would have made sense if this was SM4
By your logic BB had what...4 movies before it?
Because unlike TA,TASM and TDKR..the Transformers and Harry Potter have totally different target Audience..the genre is different
Plus they were sequels with 2 and 7 movies behind them so they already had their established fanbase
Imagine TA and TDKR releasing together..would they have made 1 Billion a piece?
I dont think so
Maybe TA would have made 1 billion but the earnings of TDKR would have taken a major blow..it would end up around 700-750M
Exact same thing has happened with TASM
If not for TDKR it would have
As I said before,the realistic expectations were 300M domestic and 400M Overseas
So I readily agree that it will fall short in terms of domestic expectations by 40 odd million and overshoot the overseas expectations by 70-75M
Hype in my post meaning anticipation before the movie was released..there was hardly any
And it has all do to with being the 1st movie..nothing else
BB had no hype during its time..both before and after its release..especially overseas
So having a bigger budget is a bad thing??!!!
I am learning new things here
Have I ever said that TASM beats SM3?
It was impossible to do so...its like saying the Batman reboot coming on in 2016 or so should beat TDKR or TDK
When comparing it to TDKR and TA.Definitely
And it would have crossed 300M if there would have been no TDKR
The lowest expectations for TDKR opening weekend were 180..and then higher up at 190 going all the way up to 210 and what did it make??
But as you said,not the right thread..
Sony had its first 6 day expectation at 120M and they upped it later on after seeing the performance in 2 days..speaks for itself
Sony's happy,The fans are happy and we are getting a sequel
Just to put things into prespective(In the first 17 days)
TDK:395M from a 185 million budget
TDKR:354M from a 250 million budget
So TDKR disappointed aswell?
And cbm made a total of 3,7 billion so far this year only wich is an absolute record in both grosses and ticket sales.
Anymore stupid comparision to make ?
No you reasoning is arithmetically flawed (how come I'm not surprised).
Let's take unadjusted numbers in both grosses and pb and guess that TASM's theatrical run will end around 740M WW.
You can either say that SM3 while having a production budget 12,17% higher than TASM grossed 20,27% more.
Or that TASM having a production budget 10,85% lower than SM3 grossed 16,85% less.
You HAVE to pick the same bases to calculate the evolution between production budget and reported gross. Not pick one of your choice whenever it's more convinient. You did the profits ratios yourself so you should have realized already that your numbers don't make sense. And if you don't understand what I'm talking about I highly suggest you to take some individual lessons in maths as soon as you can.
No you were comparing TDKR to TDK while it wasn't the subject at all as pathetic means of distracting from TASM's number.
TDK is the most successfull flick of the Batman franchise in 10 years an unprecedented phenomenon (wich didn't have to deal with a massive shooting occuring at one of its early showings) while SM3 isn't so if you want to make a fair comparision compare TASM grosses to the most successful movie of its franchise as well. Or it's comparing apple and oranges wich is one of your bad habits.
That makes for a lot of convenient mistakes lately.
No that was actually your logic.
The only thing I was saying is that a busy schedule with high profile movies from popular franchises coming in a two weeks time frame doesn't prevent any of these to gross over a billion dollars.
Target audiences while not entirely the same are actually pretty close.
Just like The Avengers, TASM and TDKR wich appeal to different quadrants in details but have overall a similar target audience.
Just like the Spider-Man franchise.
No it wouldn't have, the film was displaying low legs early on its run.
And as I've SHOWED, not said, showed, realistic projections from trusted business analyst were 375M domestically. That's falling "short" from domestic expectation by 110 million at the very least.
The 300M number comes from BoM's (Ray Subers) forecast and was considered fairly low/conservative by the time the article was released (early may). And yet TASM won't reach that 300M mark wich is unprecedented in the franchise.
You're acting like Sony was forced to do a reboot, to retell an origin story it was nothing but their choice.
And if the reboot/rehashing of the origins is the reason why the movie had very low to no hype, then that's another internal factor consequence of their questionable choices.
When it comes to profit ratios it is. That's simple arithmetic calculation.
You actually did, just there:
but have I ??? The thing I've said is that considering ticket price inflation and the benefit of 3D as well as new growing markets overseas it should have come closer to SM3's unadjusted worldwide totals.
The fact that it was tracking lower than those two doesn't make it an underdog. It was still one of the higher profil movies of this summer.
It's early numbers say otherwise.
And business analysts had their late estimate at 150 millions for the first 6 days.
THR reported early february a 200M PB confirmed by producers and distributors that Sony never denied, before the movie starts to track so low. Then they came mid-july with the 125M estimate that made every person in the business laugh. I won't bother to browse through THR's website now but you can do the research yourself if you want to.
Switch the numbers around and you'll have the right day
Everyone on these boards said NOTHING about Ice Age 4 topping TAS-M.
And you're the only one who doesn't believe that.
Than all of your replies? Yah, I know.
You have yet to actually say that until now.
This has nothing to do with using the police.
For some negative aspect, but not to slander Spidey as Jameson does. Fact.
I don't need to disprove you when you have nothing better to say without copying the exact words that I used.
If you want to be wrong, keep thinking that. I have told you the reasons why they're different, but you just seem ******** now.
Well...what have we been talking about? What reboot inspired what reboot?
Again...someone is wrong.
Because TAS-M was simply not a great film or a great reboot to start a new franchise. Many things brought the film down in my eyes. Not biased. If I was biased, I would be against all Marvel films or against the director as you seem to be with Nolan.
But that link specifies domestic numbers and it proved you wrong that TAS-M didn't make up its budget in 12 or 15 days
And yet Bane's better than all of the villains Raimi used.
How lovely you remember how many times I saw it
I saw it a second time to see if I'd like it more, but I didn't. Hey, at least it was better than Spider-Man 3.
You believe the four hour cut? Haha.
Keep telling myself that you should be ashamed for making such an awful comparison? Oh, I will. Comparing Nolan to Arad? Just awful.
Are you kidding me? Iron Man and Batman Begins WERE hyped. You're delusional if you seriously think they weren't.
Madagascer wasn't a movie. Madagascar was.
Hey, that's fine as they're in the same trilogy. That's to say Empire Strikes Back is better than Return of the Jedi; it's all good as they're still part of a memorable trilogy
Did they make their budget and in quicker fashion then 17 days? Yes. So was it a disappointment? Nope.
This is just becoming petty now...
Spider-Devil: Spider-man Fan
Anno_Domini: Batman Fan
Basic argument: My hero is better than your hero. My fav hero could kick your fav heroes butt.
At this stage you may as well agree to disagree. Cause neither of you are winning.
YAWN. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Anno Vs Spiderdevil...Whoever wins, we lose.
true words are spoken in this post
Just like Alien vs Predator?
No, no, not really. I can assure you that I have praised TAS-M for its foreign numbers.
Yes! Something tells me that
Spiderdevil is the Predator.
So did CBM's before 2005
Lets take SM3 as a template(Both Budget and earning wise)(Using adjusted numbers)
Budget wise SM3 had a 23.5% advantage over TASM
Earning wise TASM is 28.6% behind SM3
I can totally live with that
I can very well ignore that factor saying external factors dont matter,which you have been doing with TASM
I am comparing it to the last movie released..SM1 released all the way back in 2002
Okay we'll go that way..Lets compare them to the most succesfull movie of the Franchise
SM1 made 5.90 times its budget
TASM will make 3.21 times its budget(Assuming 740M WW)
Batman(1989) made 11.75 times its budget
TDKR will make 4.40 times its budget(Assuming 1.1B WW)
Harry Potter and Tranformers are COMPLETELY different genre and have different target audience
Will all 3 of TASM,TA and TDKR appeal to the same audience,the superhero loving once
And what do you think about my TDKR and TA comparison
Would they gross 1 billion a piece had they released in close proximity?
As I said TDKR would end up at 700-750M and TA would have about 1.2B
Same thing which has happened with TASM and TDKR
So you agree even Batman had his established fanbase in 2005 and 4 movies behind him?
Sob story starts is 1....2....3..
Similarly weekend number for TDKR was projected at 210M(Highest)..and what did it get??
So is it a disappointment aswell?
And can you please give me some overseas predictions for TASM?
And If 137 instead of 150 is considered a huge disappointment what is 160M compared to 210M??
Did they have a choice??
You are making it seem like having a bigger budget is a bad thing which is certainly not the case
You misunderstood me
Again you bring in 3D
Compared to them..it was an underdog
No two ways about it
Average weekend estimate of TDKR gross was 200M and it made 160M
And no I am not going to believe that the shooting caused them to lose 40M,15M at the very most
No I want the link where sony said they are happy with TR's overseas figure?
as i see it this not a Box Office talk anymore ,is the same disscusion all over again
And I guess the board represents the whole of the movie going population
And you are the only one who nitpicks about cuts on back,investigations and lab coats
Just look at the my previous posts
I have been saying this since enternity
2nd best after Casino Royale profit wise(Just talking the final numbers into consideration,TASM probably beat it)
I was talking about them concentrating on the man behind the mask and the origin in general
Purpose of the role was the same.Fact
Atleast better than posting smileys
And I have been doing the same with the Genali machine comparison and all you have been saying is 'Gas is Gas'
Again,Stop saying your opinion like its a fact
I have the same opinion about Batman Begins
No,Memento and Inception are among my all time favourites.And TDK is my favourite CBM
World Wide man
Hahahahahahah nice one
Yeah better than Sandman maybe
On second though,not even better than sandman
So you see a movie twice and say it was un-needed not good enough and a terrible start to the franchise?
Whatever the case..everyone movie has a fair bit cut of to reduce run time and improve pacing
Even if the comparison is not fair,doesnt change the fact that Snyder will be a dummy
And TASM was hyped more than them..but even that hype looked minuscle compared to the hype TA and TDKR carried
The comic book movie released in 2005 were Elecktra and Fantastic 4 just for comparison sake
So start correcting spelling mistakes when you have lost the argument on that point.Typical
English is not my mother language.Sue me
Compared to TDK it definitely was
When you increase the budget by 65M you dont expect to fall behind by 41M
'It was supposed to make that much' is not exactly praise
Is that good or bad?
Havent watched Aliens vs Predator
Is it possible for Spiderdevil and Anno to take this conversation to PM? It has been dragged through multiple pages and a new thread. It is old and unproductive. Albert Einstein said it best when he stated, "insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." right now, you two must be insane. Please spare the rest of us and bicker in private.
As for the thread topic, I noticed that the film has really been languishing at the $255 million mark for the past week. With a reduction in show times and available screens, hitting $300 million would be a remarkable turn around. At this point, I'm going to say that the film will top out at $260 million over the next two weeks, which should by that time bring the overall box office to $700 million, which isn't a bad finish for a reboot.
I think you are right
I think the movie will end up making around 740M WW and its good enough
Others may think it is a disappointment.Its all about opinions
Lets forget the debate Anno
260M Domestic and 460M Overseas is my prediction
Afterwards 40M from China
Okay guys, hope this makes all of you happy, hahahaha
I'm only speaking of the forums. No one said how Ice Age 4 was going to top TAS-M in the film's second weekend.
It's obvious that you would bring that up just so you can sidetrack the reason why you won't admit that TAS-M was inspired by BB.
It has beaten Casino Royale's foreign numbers by $11 million and under Star Trek by $2 million for domestic.
Then you agree the police was used because it was inspired by what Nolan did?
Show me anything that states Captain Stacy was used to fill a role similar to Jameson then. If it's fact, there shouldn't be any reason you won't be able to show me proof of this idea.
Posting smileys is the only way I can deal with your awful replies.
The outcome is the same of both reboot films.
Didn't know I'd have to say 'imo' all the time or that you'd get confused if I don't use 'imo'.
So just biased over TDKR for some reason?
And we're not talking about the WW numbers. I am talking about domestic and proved you wrong that TAS-M didn't make up its budget domestically in 12 or 15 days.
Talk about how ****ed my rating system is
I saw it one more time than I did with Spider-Man 3, "er my god"
Had to see if I felt different, and I didn't.
So then you decided to make a point by bringing up the bogus four hour cut?
Keep thinking that. Warner Brothers let Snyder do anything he could for Watchmen...you think that's being a dummy? You think Nolan is going to walk all over Snyder? Get real.
And that hype was wanting to call the film the most anticipated film of the year which was awful marketing.
I don't see how that should even be accountable. TDKR STILL made up its budget.
Even if TDK made up its budget in four days, TDKR still did extremely well by making up its budget within eight days. That's still a huge deal for Warner Brothers and no one would call it disappointing.
I said that to you, but I've also said it was an accomplishment that TAS-M made huge numbers in that market. It's doing a much better job than in domestic and that's still acknowledgment.