The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

[Hypestyle]

I support Miguel O'Hara as the new 'superior' Spidey, brought in through a time warp. Hey, they just did it for the original X-Men, might as well do it for Spidey 2099/2100.. I want him to last as Spidey for a good while.. though it will probably be reversed by the time the next movie comes out. Still, it's a non-clone option (stay away, Ben Reilly!!), so they might as well roll with this version.

 

[stillanerd]

Good article Stillanerd. Honestly, I think you're writing off Alpha a little too much. I consider him one of the top 3 suspects behind the Superior Spidey. Harry is probably more of a dark horse in the race.

I was really behind the notion that Doc Ock in Pete's body was the front runner but you make a valid point and an important one. If Ock is in Pete's body, why would he need the tech to mimic wall crawling? It's a sticking point that would not make any sense.

Phil Urich is a good possibility as well, he brings the same cool perspective to the table that Ock would - a villain is masquerading as Spider-Man unbeknownst to Pete's loved ones and allies.

I agree that Peter Parker losing the Peter Parker in favor of a full time Spider-Man is probably the front runner at this point. Dan Slott drops plenty of hints in his stories, probably more than any writer I've ever seen. I think for now Pete is the best suspect until more issues of ASM come out and more concrete theories can be formed.

Thanks, runawayboulder, and I'm glad you enjoyed reading it. And kudos for making a play on words with "sticking point" regarding the wall-crawling question.

I could see the Peter Parker thing happening. It just kind of brings up shades of Identity Crisis though.

I saw Slott on Twitter this evening posting a lot of the negative comments people are making about this so I'm really interested to see how it all turns out. I think he's tossing out some red herrings and it's not going to be nearly as bad as people are thinking. However, I'm still very apprehensive about this as, nothing against Slott, but Marvel does have a habit of dropping the ball when it comes to big changes to Spider-Man.

Well, as runawayboulder said, SIAT, the difference is that Spidey would not be adopting a new costumed identity but rather his civilian one. Granted, that sort of happened as well during the 1990s too prior to the Clone Saga with his whole "I am the Spider" phase after the Robot Parents story, but even there, people still knew Peter Parker was still alive and well.

One other thing...Darker, not so friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?

That's right! And let's not also forget the first Spider-Man character to pull off the dark and not-so Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man act:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I guess you guys missed or don't understand the purpose behind that smiley I used. Here's a hint, hold your mouse over it for a few seconds and read what it said. Hopefully things become clearer for you.

Lucky me, I found a white Morales yesterday

http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=47784

Dan Slott on Superior Spider-Man.

Video takes too long to load
I'll watch it after it gets a youtube release

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

One of the things Dan Slott seemed to take issue with back during Civil War and then One More Day was how they handled "erasing" Peter Parker's reveal. As I recall he went on to do something in his Avengers Initiative book with the Iron-Spiders, where they all showed up as Peter Parker and it confused J. Jonah Jameson. Almost smacked of "this is how I would've handled Spider-Man revealing himself -- not the friggin' Mephisto cop-out".

So It just seems to me like he doesn't like OMD very much (who does) and would love to essentially retcon it.

Seems like #700 he could essentially do just that. Doc Ock does something that forces him to adopt a new secret identity, and he uses that to rekindle his relationship with Mary Jane.

 

[javi1024]

Yes I LOVED that issue! I was so disappointed nothing ever happened with that.

 

[Arach Knight]

What if Superior Spider-Man is a deaged and resurrected Ezekiel?

 

[runawayboulder]

Ezekiel......Ben Reilly......Miguel O'Hara, could we be any more out of left field? When people suggest those names it makes me question if they've even been reading ASM for the past 2yrs.

Dan has been putting so much effort into Ock and Phil Urich and to some degree Alpha for so long, it would make no sense for him to not use one of those 3.

Harry Osborn is a sexy dark horse pic because Dan has left him out there in limbo for so long, his comeback to take up the Spider-Man mantle would be a huge moment and a shocking surprise. It would also explain the kissing MJ cover as well, they dated for a long time back when Gwen was still alive. That cover could be the moment when a shocked MJ realized Harry Osborn is back in town.

 

[CConn]

I would be okay with Harry. The most okay with I could be, at least.

 

[Arach Knight]

Ezekiel......Ben Reilly......Miguel O'Hara, could we be any more out of left field? When people suggest those names it makes me question if they've even been reading ASM for the past 2yrs.

Dan has been putting so much effort into Ock and Phil Urich and to some degree Alpha for so long, it would make no sense for him to not use one of those 3.

Harry Osborn is a sexy dark horse pic because Dan has left him out there in limbo for so long, his comeback to take up the Spider-Man mantle would be a huge moment and a shocking surprise. It would also explain the kissing MJ cover as well, they dated for a long time back when Gwen was still alive. That cover could be the moment when a shocked MJ realized Harry Osborn is back in town.

I can't really imagine Harry as Spider-Man. And I went with Ezekiel because he actually has spider powers. Is Harry getting a totem or getting bitten now? Alpha isn't even on my radar as a possibility. And Kain and Ben are more likely candidates. It could be Miguel. Isn't he part of the Exiles now? I could see him time/dimension hopping to present day 616 and taking up the mantle.

 

[runawayboulder]

I can't really imagine Harry as Spider-Man. And I went with Ezekiel because he actually has spider powers. Is Harry getting a totem or getting bitten now? Alpha isn't even on my radar as a possibility. And Kain and Ben are more likely candidates. It could be Miguel. Isn't he part of the Exiles now? I could see him time/dimension hopping to present day 616 and taking up the mantle.

The new Spider-Man is using tech to simulate wall crawling. That instantly eliminates Ezekiel, Ben Reilly, Kaine or Miguel. 2 of the 4 are technically dead. Kaine also is enjoying some success with Scarlet Spider, it would be foolish to remove him from that before the popularity plateaus. Miguel has a 1% chance of showing up in the next 5 issues falling through a time warp, which would be a radical/nonsensical move that Dan Slott just isn't capable of. Honestly, time warps and crossing over thru the multiverse is a horrible idea. It's going to fail in All New X-Men....it's would fail here too.

If Alpha isn't on your radar then your radar is broken.

 

[Arach Knight]

I was unaware that Superior Spider-Man would be tech assisted. If that is true then that changes my initial conjecture. However, Alpha is still an unlikely candidate unless Marvel is going the Prime or Captain Marvel route and allowing a teenage boy to shape shift into the body of a full grown man. Alpha looks to weigh 150 pounds, tops. The illustrations for Superior Spider-Man all show him to be slightly larger than Peter Parker. Also, Alpha isn't exactly a Peter fan at the moment. Why would he take up the legacy of someone he dislikes?

With that said, Eddie Brock could be a possible subject. He has a history of being a violent anti-hero. Then again, it could very well still be Peter. I find sound logic behind the theory that Peter simply "kills" his identity and adopts a new persona and becomes a darker person after the events of issue #700. We have been seeing a Peter pushed to the limits as of late. He's been Spider-Man more often than he is Peter. He's now on the "no one dies when I'm around" kick. He may just snap and pick up where the previous lethal protector left off.

Still, I feel that creating a darker Spider-Man is a foolish publicity stunt. Didn't we already get a more hardcore Spider-Man during Maximum Carnage? Didn't Venom provide a more grim arachnid hero? And Kain is already fulfilling the role of a not-so-friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. It is a bit redundant to give us a Spidey who is aggressive and possibly quipless.

 

[runawayboulder]

I was unaware that Superior Spider-Man would be tech assisted. If that is true then that changes my initial conjecture. However, Alpha is still an unlikely candidate unless Marvel is going the Prime or Captain Marvel route and allowing a teenage boy to shape shift into the body of a full grown man. Alpha looks to weigh 150 pounds, tops. The illustrations for Superior Spider-Man all show him to be slightly larger than Peter Parker. Also, Alpha isn't exactly a Peter fan at the moment. Why would he take up the legacy of someone he dislikes?

There's the highly possible scenario that Peter dies and at the end of ASM 700 MJ show's up at Andy's door with Pete's costume and web shooter and becomes his coach for all things Spider-Man. The cover for #2 could be Andy being his usual cocky self and planting one on MJ's lips.

With that said, Eddie Brock could be a possible subject. He has a history of being a violent anti-hero. Then again, it could very well still be Peter. I find sound logic behind the theory that Peter simply "kills" his identity and adopts a new persona and becomes a darker person after the events of issue #700. We have been seeing a Peter pushed to the limits as of late. He's been Spider-Man more often than he is Peter. He's now on the "no one dies when I'm around" kick. He may just snap and pick up where the previous lethal protector left off.

Eddie Brock isn't a bad name to throw out there. Only problem is, he was recently seen merging with the Toxin symbiote in Venom.

 

[Shockdingo]

Bigger problem with Eddie, he's currently Toxin as runaway said, but they also revealed Anti-Venom is coming back. With old discussions of Brock being a mentor (possibly outdated since Remender's not on the book anymore) or being an adversary in Phili, Bunn is pretty keen on keeping Brock around for Flash.

 

[runawayboulder]

I didn't know Anti-Venom was coming back....

 

[Shockdingo]

I just found out today, I thought it was just fanwank, but they made mention of that happening. When is anyone's guess.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41624

Bunn and Shalvey spoke about "Minimum Carnage." Shalvey joked that "with the other books going darker, Venom is going to get lighter, with an all-white costume." Shalvey added that the book features "more symbioteS per panel than any other book."

Okay, that's a bit vague, but this is more clear:

"Lightning round questions revealed that Anti-Venom will appear again, and Dr. Strange's "One More Day" spell will "maybe" feature in plans coming up."

I'm ecstatic! t:

 

[Arach Knight]

Bigger problem with Eddie, he's currently Toxin as runaway said, but they also revealed Anti-Venom is coming back. With old discussions of Brock being a mentor (possibly outdated since Remender's not on the book anymore) or being an adversary in Phili, Bunn is pretty keen on keeping Brock around for Flash.

Brock can't do dual duty? Being on the Avengers and Fantastic Four never stopped Spider-Man from being Spidey, so why can't Brock put on that kind of effort?

 

[Shockdingo]

If it was right after Spider-Island I would say so, but his whole self consuming mission (before the incident with Toxin) was to wipe out all symbiotes to prevent some vague event called the Spawning. Plus, since he knows Flash has his old symby (which he felt started it all) he'll track him to Phili and it's yet to be seen if they will follow through with Slott's old hinted at idea of a mentorship or if he's fueled by vengeance due to his last crispy encounter with Flash. Once that's out of the way, it could go either way.

The main issue preventing SuperiorSpidey from being Brock is he has to either settle things with Flash, deal with Toxin (when he was Toxin he was mostly unconscious and unwilling) and also backtrack to New York and find out whatever happens to Spidey in #700 and decide to take it upon himself to take up the mantle to honor him (Brock choosing to honor him is NOT out of the question actually). It would be weird and kinda interesting to see Brock try something like that (especially after looking to prove so much to him during his AV days), but there's just too much in the way for it to be him at this point in my opinion. The physicality shouldn't be a problem. He has infact turned into Spidey before; during his first arc in New Ways to Die, he tricked the Thunderbolts that way.

I guess it all boils down to character priority. Brock feels he paid his debt to New York, but needs to deal with the "sin" he unleashed upon the world (symbies running all over). As it stands now, his past with Spidey is done. He's taken a magnificent (imo) step and forgiven Spidey, accepted his own faults, and saved New York city. He said his silent goodbyes and Pete's not on his radar. Unless in the upcoming issues and during Minimum Carnage something happens, then it becomes more plausible to put his name in the hat.

 

[WolfCypher]

Guys, guys...the new Spidey is Vin Gonzales...

Because...the fxxk has he been up to?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Guys, guys...the new Spidey is Vin Gonzales...

Because...the fxxk has he been up to?

Punched by Harry after serving time in prison and giving allegiance to Norman

 

[Spider‐Man]

The new Spider-Man is using tech to simulate wall crawling. That instantly eliminates Ezekiel, Ben Reilly, Kaine or Miguel. 2 of the 4 are technically dead. Kaine also is enjoying some success with Scarlet Spider, it would be foolish to remove him from that before the popularity plateaus. Miguel has a 1% chance of showing up in the next 5 issues falling through a time warp, which would be a radical/nonsensical move that Dan Slott just isn't capable of. Honestly, time warps and crossing over thru the multiverse is a horrible idea. It's going to fail in All New X-Men....it's would fail here too.

If Alpha isn't on your radar then your radar is broken.

Why do you put so much stock in Alpha? My opinion (and it is only an opinion) is that they originally had bigger plans for Alpha and making Pete be the mentor to him but then the whole NOW thing got started and they decided they had to bring Spidey in so the whole Alpha thing got quickly wrapped up. Didn't that last issue feel like they rushed everything to a rather unsatisfying conclusion. It was like you were expecting it to go on for a while and show this slow transformation, no doubt via some Uncle-Ben type tragedy, of this selfish kid into someone more like Pete and then suddenly - BAM! - the story ends in a rather lame fashion. I mean even the cover (a rip on Andru's Supes vs Spidey epic BTW ) said Spider-Man vs Alpha but the story was nothing of the sort. I feel Alpha's probably more of a dark horse than Harry at this point.

 

[runawayboulder]

Why do you put so much stock in Alpha? My opinion (and it is only an opinion) is that they originally had bigger plans for Alpha and making Pete be the mentor to him but then the whole NOW thing got started and they decided they had to bring Spidey in so the whole Alpha thing got quickly wrapped up. Didn't that last issue feel like they rushed everything to a rather unsatisfying conclusion. It was like you were expecting it to go on for a while and show this slow transformation, no doubt via some Uncle-Ben type tragedy, of this selfish kid into someone more like Pete and then suddenly - BAM! - the story ends in a rather lame fashion. I mean even the cover (a rip on Andru's Supes vs Spidey epic BTW ) said Spider-Man vs Alpha but the story was nothing of the sort. I feel Alpha's probably more of a dark horse than Harry at this point.

Actually, I'm not putting all my stock into Alpha. Right now I'm putting the good money on the death of the Peter Parker identity and Pete remains as Spider-Man. My whole point is that people are throwing names out there of people that haven't been seen in a comic book in over 5-15yrs now when there's a stronger alternative right in their face. It makes me question if people have been paying attention at all.....

And I'm not buying into this thing with NOW derailing any of Dan Slott's ideas. That sounds like something a person would say that hates the entire concept of Marvel NOW without having a GOOD reason to hate it.

The image is not going to become much clearer until ASM 698, Dying Wish pt 1. Bleeding Cool is comparing 698 to ASM 298 as in how it was important to the build to their respective upcoming milestone issues.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Actually, I'm not putting all my stock into Alpha. Right now I'm putting the good money on the death of the Peter Parker identity and Pete remains as Spider-Man. My whole point is that people are throwing names out there of people that haven't been seen in a comic book in over 5-15yrs now when there's a stronger alternative right in their face. It makes me question if people have been paying attention at all.....

And I'm not buying into this thing with NOW derailing any of Dan Slott's ideas. That sounds like something a person would say that hates the entire concept of Marvel NOW without having a GOOD reason to hate it.

The image is not going to become much clearer until ASM 698, Dying Wish pt 1. Bleeding Cool is comparing 698 to ASM 298 as in how it was important to the build to their respective upcoming milestone issues.

Although, from what I know so far, I do hate the idea of NOW and the whole gimmicky restart that I've spoken about at length in this thread, I never based my idea of them changing the Alpha storyline on that (I take back 'hatred') feeling of disgust but rather from what I have already stated I perceived as an abrupt and IMO weak end to something that I think had been being billed as something bigger. Now does that mean that that 'bigger' thing couldn't still be ahead more in a manner you suggest? Absolutely not. But to me it felt like the way the Alpha story ended wasn't the way it was originally intended to end. Just a feeling, nothing more. A lot of times, writers want to go with the option that isn;t so in your face and obvious for, well, for what I think are obvious reasons. You say that Alpha is a better bet than someone who hasn't been seen in a long time because they haven't been seen in a long time. Cliffhanger endings bringing back long lost characters as a surprise are nothing new yet still seem to be effective.

As to the whole Pete remains Spidey, doesn't that still bring up the issue of how would he be getting back with MJ when she doesn't want to be with him as long as he is still Spider-Man?

Anyway, as you say, all will become clear with the coming of #700!

 

[Themanofbat]

I think what's happening in regards to ASM #700... which may or may not include Alpha... was always in the works... which means the Alpha ending was meant to be as we read it...

It's been stated that because of WHAT was happening in ASM #700 went along with the new "NOW" regime/status/change, that Slott was able to keep his writing gig with Spidey...

Just sayin...

 

[Thwip!]

I just found out today, I thought it was just fanwank, but they made mention of that happening. When is anyone's guess.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41624

Bunn and Shalvey spoke about "Minimum Carnage." Shalvey joked that "with the other books going darker, Venom is going to get lighter, with an all-white costume." Shalvey added that the book features "more symbioteS per panel than any other book."

Okay, that's a bit vague, but this is more clear:

"Lightning round questions revealed that Anti-Venom will appear again, and Dr. Strange's "One More Day" spell will "maybe" feature in plans coming up."

I'm ecstatic! t:

Ah Shalvey, a fellow irish man

Some of the variants for Superior Spider-Man #1

 

[runawayboulder]

So in one we have a scrawny Superior Spider-Man and the other, he's bigger and bulkier. This is gonna make the Alpha argument go in circles.