The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

[CConn]

What I meant was BND was the status quo set up by OMD. OMD was the "event," BND was the "era" which started with OMD.

And, no, I wouldn't call BND "pretty okay." Drunken hook-ups, Carlie shoved down our throat as the perfect girl for Pete, Menace, Freak, Pete as a slacker loser and more immature than when he was in high school...

Well then, you'd be wrong.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

As he should have...

I need to read that issue, only heard about it from some who read it

 

[random_havoc]

What I meant was BND was the status quo set up by OMD. OMD was the "event," BND was the "era" which started with OMD.

And, no, I wouldn't call BND "pretty okay." Drunken hook-ups, Carlie shoved down our throat as the perfect girl for Pete, Menace, Freak, Pete as a slacker loser and more immature than when he was in high school...

Agreed.

And I love the fact that the first time I decide to drop in on this thread in probably a year and the first comment I looked at was once again about OMD/BND. I will never stop saying this (sarcastically): That was a brilliant move Marvel editorial.

 

[Havok83]

so there's going to be 2 Spider-Men in the MU, neither of which is Peter Parker?

 

[runawayboulder]

Here's the official solicit blurb for SSM #1:

SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN #1
DAN SLOTT (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)
Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA
Sketch Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA
Variant Cover by Humberto Ramos
Variant Cover by Giuseppe Camuncoli
design variant by Ed McGuinness
Young Baby Variant by SKOTTIE YOUNG
Blank Cover Also Available
THEN!...Peter Parker spent a lifetime living up to the responsibilities his powers foisted upon him but his Amazing story finally ended dramatically in the historic Spider-Man #700. NOW!...The new Amazing Spider-Man has arrived and he is better in every single way. Smarter, stronger...Superior.
32 PGS. /Rated T+ ...$3.99


......and #2:

SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN #2
DAN SLOTT (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)
Variant Cover BY ED McGuinness
• The All-Now Supereir Spider-Man battles All-New Sinister Six!
• PLUS: Spider-Man and Mary Jane...REUNITED!
• PLUS: Slott and Stegman... REUNITED!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Agreed.

And I love the fact that the first time I decide to drop in on this thread in probably a year and the first comment I looked at was once again about OMD/BND. I will never stop saying this (sarcastically): That was a brilliant move Marvel editorial.

Thank you.

Well, to be fair, if it was based on my comments, in context, it was what a great job Slott has done to bring the title back up from the ashes of OMD/BND/OMIT.

Didn't really want to drag it up again, just defending my point it was the low point in Amazing and not "pretty okay."

 

[CConn]

The low point? Sins Past and The Other were much worse. In both concept and execution.

And that's not even counting all of the ****** comics that happened before JMS.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

The low point? Sins Past and The Other were much worse. In both concept and execution.

And that's not even counting all of the ****** comics that happened before JMS.

Sins Past was pretty bad and I try to ignore it. Same with The Other. And yeah, there has been crap before too.

But, would you not agree that OMD was the THE lowest of lowest? And BND was the fallout where Pete was totally out of character and it seemed like no one knew what to do storywise and characterwise.

Dan has led us out of that mess..

 

[CConn]

Oh no, I agree OMD was terrible.

But I just don't think BND was all that rudderless. They did a lot of really good things editorially during the run - which I'm sure was quite difficult given all of the various creators involved with the thrice-monthly book.

There were definite mistakes - Lilly being a Goblin was dumb, and some other new villains were pretty questionable - but there were some successes as well. I loved New Ways to Die, his interactions with the FF was pretty quality, and The Gauntlet had some of the best villain-centric stories I've read in quite a while.

I think the real problem with that era was that instead of just having really solid creators work on the book - Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Joe Kelly, etc. due to its triple shipping they also needed to utilize lesser talents like Gale and Guggenheim and Wells who ultimately hurt the book.

 

[Themanofbat]

Oh no, I agree OMD was terrible.

But I just don't think BND was all that rudderless. They did a lot of really good things editorially during the run - which I'm sure was quite difficult given all of the various creators involved with the thrice-monthly book.

There were definite mistakes - Lilly being a Goblin was dumb, and some other new villains were pretty questionable - but there were some successes as well. I loved New Ways to Die, his interactions with the FF was pretty quality, and The Gauntlet had some of the best villain-centric stories I've read in quite a while.

I think the real problem with that era was that instead of just having really solid creators work on the book - Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Joe Kelly, etc. due to its triple shipping they also needed to utilize lesser talents like Gale and Guggenheim and Wells who ultimately hurt the book.

I can agree with this statement in general... though I liked most of Guggenheim's & Wells' stories...

 

[Thwip!]

Here's the official solicit blurb for SSM #1:

SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN #1
DAN SLOTT (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)
Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA
Sketch Variant Cover by JOE QUESADA
Variant Cover by Humberto Ramos
Variant Cover by Giuseppe Camuncoli
design variant by Ed McGuinness
Young Baby Variant by SKOTTIE YOUNG
Blank Cover Also Available
THEN!...Peter Parker spent a lifetime living up to the responsibilities his powers foisted upon him but his Amazing story finally ended dramatically in the historic Spider-Man #700. NOW!...The new Amazing Spider-Man has arrived and he is better in every single way. Smarter, stronger...Superior.
32 PGS. /Rated T+ ...$3.99


......and #2:

SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN #2
DAN SLOTT (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)
Variant Cover BY ED McGuinness
• The All-Now Supereir Spider-Man battles All-New Sinister Six!
• PLUS: Spider-Man and Mary Jane...REUNITED!
• PLUS: Slott and Stegman... REUNITED!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99

I'm gonna be getting like 3 variants so for #1

i was looking into getting the ditko variant for 700 but it would cost me €750 :/

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Oh no, I agree OMD was terrible.

But I just don't think BND was all that rudderless. They did a lot of really good things editorially during the run - which I'm sure was quite difficult given all of the various creators involved with the thrice-monthly book.

There were definite mistakes - Lilly being a Goblin was dumb, and some other new villains were pretty questionable - but there were some successes as well. I loved New Ways to Die, his interactions with the FF was pretty quality, and The Gauntlet had some of the best villain-centric stories I've read in quite a while.

I think the real problem with that era was that instead of just having really solid creators work on the book - Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Joe Kelly, etc. due to its triple shipping they also needed to utilize lesser talents like Gale and Guggenheim and Wells who ultimately hurt the book.

New Ways To Die was ok, I mainly liked it because JRJR was doing the art and it involved Norman. The FF stuff was good, but almost unnecessary (since they already knew him before the mindwipe). I hated Gauntlet mainly because I'm not a fan of the Kraven stuff (I'm one of the few that never really liked Kraven' Last Hunt).

Another thing that BND was ruin what could have been Sipdey's spotlight in the MU to shine. Osborn had taken over the whole SHIELD/HAMMER thing. It was a perfect time for Spidey to take front and center stage, but because Marvel was so busy setting up their precious BND, Spidey was relegated to his own corner for most of the event/crossovers/status quo.

OK, when I return, I have thought up a bunch of crack pot theories about ASM #700/Superior Spider-Man that I'd like to share... t:

 

[CConn]

But 80% of the Gaunlet issues weren't even about Kraven.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Lilly being a Goblin was dumb

I found Menace to be an ok villain, and Lilly was an ok character
Then came the vomit inducing revelation
Impregnating Menace with her baby goblin and giving her horns

 

[WolfCypher]

But 80% of the Gaunlet issues weren't even about Kraven.

Now that was dumb. Marvel promises The Gauntlet to be this set-up to Grim Hunt, yet it was more a set-up to Doc Ock's Sinister Six reunion and EotE, a story that wouldn't even happen for up to a year later.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

But 80% of the Gaunlet issues weren't even about Kraven.

But it was set-up by them and I didn't care how they handled the villains.




OK, so here are some crackpot theories (the mind wanders while doing yard work):

Crackpot Theory #1:
What if, going back to the spider totem thing, the spider god/tiki/ totem/whatever deems Pete is no long worthy of his powers? Maybe it’s because Pete can’t kill (see below). Pete is stripped of his powers and someone else is bestowed with them (I don’t know who, it could be Alpha) and they are more spiderlike (like claws and more brutal).

Crackpot Theory #2:
Going back to either the spider totem or The Other, didn’t Pete the Man have to battle the Spider for his soul or something? What if the Spider wins out (maybe to kill) and Pete is no longer in control? Then he is more the Spider and therefore more spiderlike (again, like claws and more brutal) and no longer Pete.

Crackpot Theory #3:
Hasn’t Madame Webb said that Pete is going to have to kill to maintain the “web.” Maybe Pete realizes this is true and reaches down inside himself (the Spider?) to do it. This causes him to snap. He realizes to fulfill his “mission” to the web and/or spider totem, he can no longer do it the “friendly neighborhood” way anymore. He is no longer the Pete we know.

Crackpot Theory #4:
What if Madame Webb dies, as seems to be hinted, and Pete must become the new “Madame” Webb? (Mossier Webb?) Then someone else has to become Spider-Man?

Crackpot Theory #5:
When all this talk about something big coming in issue 700, I was afraid MJ might die. We now know she will still be around. What if Aunt May dies? Maybe this causes Pete to “snap” and no longer be the same “friendly neighborhood” Pete we know. But, Aunt May’s death is the first step that will lead to OMD being undone…

Crackpot Theory #6:
And I’ll just throw in what others have said in the past about the Pete/Doc Ock switch, and that Pete is in fact doing it so he can confront Mephisto, leading to OMD being undone.

There you go. Before you cast stones, I know there are a million plot holes and I’m not a fan of these theories… t:

 

[moraldeficiency]

Oh no, I agree OMD was terrible.

But I just don't think BND was all that rudderless. They did a lot of really good things editorially during the run - which I'm sure was quite difficult given all of the various creators involved with the thrice-monthly book.

There were definite mistakes - Lilly being a Goblin was dumb, and some other new villains were pretty questionable - but there were some successes as well. I loved New Ways to Die, his interactions with the FF was pretty quality, and The Gauntlet had some of the best villain-centric stories I've read in quite a while.

I think the real problem with that era was that instead of just having really solid creators work on the book - Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Joe Kelly, etc. due to its triple shipping they also needed to utilize lesser talents like Gale and Guggenheim and Wells who ultimately hurt the book.

I would agree with all of this. Guggenheim's goblin event was probably the biggest post OMD low point.

 

[CConn]

But it was set-up by them and I didn't care how they handled the villains.

Whatever you say.

 

[OcStat]

The Gauntlet was great. Probably my personal favorite story since I started collecting Spider-Man consistently.

I finally got to read 692-4. It is looking more likely that Alpha will replace Peter much as I hate to say it. Time will tell.

Really enjoyed 695. Let's put this Alpha kid on the backburner and get ready for the Hobgoblin beat down coming our way! I am pumped for this Danger Zone story.

 

[runawayboulder]

Christ, are we still talking about OMD/BND? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........wake me up when you guys are done.

At least Spider-Gnome is trying, pulling s**t out of thin air to veer the convo away from it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Crackpot Theory #1:
What if, going back to the spider totem thing, the spider god/tiki/ totem/whatever deems Pete is no long worthy of his powers? Maybe it’s because Pete can’t kill (see below). Pete is stripped of his powers and someone else is bestowed with them (I don’t know who, it could be Alpha) and they are more spiderlike (like claws and more brutal).

Not going to like seeing something like that

Crackpot Theory #2:
Going back to either the spider totem or The Other, didn’t Pete the Man have to battle the Spider for his soul or something? What if the Spider wins out (maybe to kill) and Pete is no longer in control? Then he is more the Spider and therefore more spiderlike (again, like claws and more brutal) and no longer Pete.

I think they made something like that in What If: The Other?

Scariest thing about all these theories of yours, some might happen

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Christ, are we still talking about OMD/BND? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........wake me up when you guys are done.

At least Spider-Gnome is trying, pulling s**t out of thin air to veer the convo away from it.

What, you don't like my crackpot theories? t:

And sorry, I didn't want it get into the whole OMD/BND thing again. It was a side effect of saying what a great job Dan has done.

Not going to like seeing something like that

I think they made something like that in What If: The Other?

Scariest thing about all these theories of yours, some might happen

Yeah, scares me, too.

But, I have faith in Dan...

Sorry, my mind was wandering...

 

[SpideyInATree]

The new Spider-Man will be a resurrected Ned Leeds. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

 

[CConn]

From the Twittersphere...

https://***********/supajoe/status/259753901044137984

I'd be into it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The new Spider-Man will be a resurrected Ned Leeds. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

My reaction if that nonsense is to happen
Panicking