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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episodes I - III' started by Doc Ock, Oct 31, 2012.
I figured the "haters" of the prequels should have a place to vent their rage.
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Ok, I won't be anywhere near this thread, then.
Why the prequels were awful. If you haven't yet watch Redlettermedias reviews on the 3 films, they're hilarious and very well thought out. Imo more interesting than the movies themselves.
I love them. No review or analysis will change my mind.
Thanks to this recent announcement (Disney making more SW) I can let go of my hate fore the prequels.
Unless the Disney Trilogy sucks. Then my hate will overcome me and I will give in to the dark side.
The story makes no sense, can you explain to me what palpatines plan was in the phantom menace or what qui-gons bet was with watto?
honestly rewatch the movie and explain to me what palpatine stood to gain from the actions he took.
First he wanted the Queen to sign his treaty and he was pretty damned adamant "I want that treaty signed".
He told the Trade Federation to kill the Jedi, even though he really needed the Jedi to go back and declare that there was a war going on. He should have had the Federation tell them "there will be no negotiations we plan to invade the planet".
He sent Darth Maul to like kill them on Tatooine...why? He needs Amadala to get back to Courescant to declare that vote of no confidence at this point so why is he sending Darth Maul after them?
Then on Naboo why did he send Darth Maul to Naboo? At this point he's got what he needs theres no reason to send Maul to Naboo because the planet is now irrelevant to his goals of becoming Supreme Chancellor.
Then at the end of the movie Darth Sidious just screws em over.
Then in Episodes II-III these same idiots get involved in another one of Darth Sidious's convoluted schemes and he once again screws them over. It's just too stupid to take seriously.
And I don't wanna here about Darth Plagueis or Darth Mauls Journal or anyother books that fill in the gaps, this is a movie it shouldn't need books to explain its self.
Pretty much seconding these opinions. t:
As it stands, I see the flaws. I actually really don't care for Episode II all that much. I still find some enjoyment in it, mostly for Jango (I'm openly a Boba fanboy. Have been since I was about six.) and the Clones were cool. The love scenes, a lot of the dialogue; and the somewhat flawed CGI in places doesn't hold up for me. But will I still defend it as part of the saga? Hell yeah I will.
You know I honestly don't hate Phantom Menace or Sith, I just really really really hate Attack of the Clones.
The prequel trilogy had the potential to be much better than the original trilogy, they had the budget, updated technology, most known actors (Ewan Mcgregor, Samuel Jackson, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee) the premise (the story of Anakin Skywalker being seduced by the dark side of the force and destroying the Jedi Order and the rise of the Empire) it had great potential to be an epic trilogy but they failed big time.
I'll develop more later
First off, Watto is sick, in the sense that he's a gambler. He cannot resist placing a bet if it intrigues him. Having said that:
1.QuiGon needs a part for the ship. He has no money, so he needs an alternative.
2.Anakin offers to help by podracing for him (and informing him that Watto is a bet-oholic).
3.Thus, Qui makes a bet with Watto that if Anakin wins the podrace, he'll get the part.
4.Then Qui realizes Anakin's midichlorian count.
5.He makes the stakes of the bet higher by telling Watto that if Anakin wins, the boy is free and Watto also gets his podracer.
He didn't need the Jedi to do anything. The plan was indeed an invasion at first. He changed his plan when the Queen escaped. He's a political schemer.
At that point the Queen would blow the true nature of the embargo, aka that it was an invasion. She was more useful to him dead. When they finally got to Coruscant he saw the new opportunity that arose from her arrival and changed his plan to that of the vote of no confidence.
He didn't screw them over, that's why he sent Maul to help on Naboo. Actually, of course he intended to screw them over eventually, but he obviously didn't want them to know they were expendable to him. But sure, nobody's forcing you to find it not stupid or to take it seriously.
No books necessary. The PT is pretty contained.
I hated AOTC. TPM and ROTS have their good parts. The thing I like most about TPM is the fact that it felt more like the OT, where the others didn't.
I like the Phantonm Menace.
In Attack of the Clones the dialogue was terrible especially between Anakin and Padme. The CG is very fake looking.
In Revenge of the Sith the fall of Anakin is ridiculous. Especially his reasoning for killing all the Jedi. He killed all of them all because they didn't promote him to Master. Another ridiculous thing is that he save his wife by killing all Jedi, even the Padawans had to die. All to save just one person. Who the hell thinks like that? The CG troopers look really fake.
He didn't kill them because of the promotion. At that point he killed Mace to get the secret to save Padme from Sid, so he was following the latter's orders to get to Sid's good graces. He did not intend to stay under Sid, he said so right before he choked Padme on Mustafar. It was only when she died that he gave up and turned fully Sith.
He was furious that the council didn't make him a master, he felt deservedly so. Then Palpatine said they don't recognize his talents. Because he wasn't promoted he delusionally agreed that the Jedi weren't telling him things about the Force. When he said good bye to Obi-Wan the look on his face was about the council not recognizing him, prior to that moment Obi-Wan told him to be patient in in time they will make him a Jedi Master. Even the sequel novel it says that Anakin killed all of them because they didn't recognize his talents. All because of this is his justification/rationalization that it was ok to kill the Jedi, to save Padme. For Two movie Palpatine said he was the best, creating a big ego in Anakin, also putting a hamper on Obi-wans training of making Anakin a more humble Jedi.
I don't mind that he used it as his rationalization, it's a very human trait. Palps manipulated him and blew up the promotion thing in his head to link it with his death visions. And then he actually ordered him to kill all the Jedi. At that point, justification or not, he wouldn't disobey. His ultimate purpose was to save Padme and the deeper reason was his selfishness and his inability to accept death, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with Padme's death.
What I wish George made clearer to the audience through Anakin's reaction is that him realizing he had no choice, by a look on his face, that his assisting to in the killing of Mace he was now an accomplice to the murder and he had no choice in joining Palpatine. All in one look that was needed.
A person cannot possibly devalue thousand of innocent people that he knows them to be of great value and flip ones belief of it on a dime, with him growing up knowing in his hearts heart that the Jedi are a beautiful thing, and then saying it's all bad rips out ones soul inside and out to begin to even think that way. I could never betray the ones I love as he does here. Here Anakin lied to himself in a crazy way to save Padme, in my opinion he's written inhuman!!! There has to be at least a dozen Jedi that has touched his life, in killing them would break him to do so, right? He says what have I done!!! Then he goes out and kills them all including the innocent children. This is not a man that could of possibly came from a good child, none of this characterization is believable. How can you value two lives so strongly but dismiss 10,000 more in a heartbeat. Oh God my heart hurts in fathoming such soul ripping thinking. I don't know what's wrong with me, I value life.
He did say "What have I... done!?" and he was looking at Sid (as the latter was putting on his hood) in an angry and sick way.
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
These guys said it all what i think of the prequels
I think you bring up some good points. I've long had problems with Anakin's characterization. I can understand him killing Mace, but not attacking the Jedi Temple or believing that the Jedi are actually evil.
I've long thought that George Lucas made a mistake in wanting Anakin to be a hero. At best he should've started out as an anti-hero and then became an out and out villain and Obi Wan should've been the true hero of the prequels. Obi Wan should've been the main character of the prequels and not Anakin.
I also thought it was a mistake starting Anakin out as a sweet, innocent kid. I just don't think GL had the skills to really show the tragic arc of a man's life like that, from innocence to evil.
What I do think GL did a decent job with was getting Anakin's possessiveness. Also his impulsiveness and recklessness.
I thought Darth Maul was pretty bad ass. He could have used more depth as a character but he was incredibly underused and tossed aside.
Episode I is actually my favorite. Yes, Jar Jar sucks. Yes Jake Lloyd is dopey as hell. But to me the real sets, practical effects, and lighter tone make it feel like, of the three, the most similar to the original trilogy.
Episode II is abysmal.
Episode III is better than II, but I feel like Anakin's transformation into Vader was unforgivably poorly executed. I guess that's a fault of all three movies though.
Yes to all of that. Despite having a bad story, Phantom Menace is by far the best looking of them and also has the best score, though they were all strong.
I definitely did love the look and score of TPM the most. Practical sets help.
I was structurally the most like a movie but was poorly executed, II wasn't very good all around, and III was an okay movie that mostly suffered from poor acting lazy writing and the two films that preceded it. All in all I is great for nostalgia and brings me back to my childhood, while III is probably the most entertaining.