The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - Part 13

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[Chewy]

Hawkeye was essentially a faceless SHIELD agent in Thor just like the big dude he wrestled with.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed, but that is not a bad thing. I really don't feel it was a distracting cameo for anyone but comic fans. Faceless SHIELD agent would have gotten no comments from anyone. The fact they even paid Renner to do something like that for some fan service is somewhat cool.

 

[Tony Stark]

I agree, Renner's stock is rising in Hollywood. Considering He and Downey did cameos like that, show what kind of "team players" they are.

 

[Dr Lee]

Hawkeye was essentially a faceless SHIELD agent in Thor just like the big dude he wrestled with.

That is exactly what irritated me... Hawk eye is more than just a random shield dude....

 

[Chewy]

That is exactly what irritated me... Hawk eye is more than just a random shield dude....

There's nothing wrong with introducing him as such, knowing that his role will be expanded in the future.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

There's nothing wrong with introducing him as such, knowing that his role will be expanded in the future.

Agreed

 

[Iceman]

The Hawkeye thing lasts a few seconds and is an Easter egg. Enjoy it if you like it or just as easily ignore it if you don't. Doesn't detract from the film or from the Thor 'moment' scene to me.

 

[MadVillainy]

Speaking of Hawkeye/REnner Im rewatching The Town, Renner is so f'ing awesome in it .

 

[Dark Raven]

That is exactly what irritated me... Hawk eye is more than just a random shield dude....

But he wasn't going to be more than that in the Thor movie... a movie about THOR. He was random in the sense that for the general audience who didn't know who he was, he might not even raise an eyebrow. He wouldn't distract from the overall story at all because he was literally an Easter Egg. If Renner hadn't agreed to it, they could just as easily have had a faceless sniper. Maybe they did originally, but then rewrote that part for Renner once he was on board.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

The Hawkeye thing lasts a few seconds and is an Easter egg. Enjoy it if you like it or just as easily ignore it if you don't. Doesn't detract from the film or from the Thor 'moment' scene to me.

The problem with the scene wasn't the fact that it was just Hawkeye. The problem with any cameo in any movie anywhere, is that it is usually distracting from the main action, in this case, Thor's big dramatic moment where he realizes he's alone on Earth. I was definitely excited for the Hawkeye cameo, but if fell flat because he responded as any random agent would and not Hawkeye. Sure he has a bow and arrow, but he didn't really do anything with it. He was established as Hawkeye in name only, not in character.

I think Hawkeye would have better been served as one of the worthy allies from Earth alongside Coulsen. If he could have been put into action when the Destroyer came to invade, um... THE TOWN, it would have better showcased who he is and why he would connect to Thor in some way.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Hawkeye was essentially a faceless SHIELD agent in Thor just like the big dude he wrestled with.

Exactly. If it was some other actor, nobody would b*tch.

 

[Rock Sexton]

But he wasn't going to be more than that in the Thor movie... a movie about THOR. He was random in the sense that for the general audience who didn't know who he was, he might not even raise an eyebrow. He wouldn't distract from the overall story at all because he was literally an Easter Egg. If Renner hadn't agreed to it, they could just as easily have had a faceless sniper. Maybe they did originally, but then rewrote that part for Renner once he was on board.

If he had a greater role, people would moan about SHIELD being too involved like the complaints in IM2.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The problem with the scene wasn't the fact that it was just Hawkeye. The problem with any cameo in any movie anywhere, is that it is usually distracting from the main action, in this case, Thor's big dramatic moment where he realizes he's alone on Earth. I was definitely excited for the Hawkeye cameo, but if fell flat because he responded as any random agent would and not Hawkeye. Sure he has a bow and arrow, but he didn't really do anything with it. He was established as Hawkeye in name only, not in character.

Distracting? He had really fun dialogue. It also heightened the whole scene when Coulson told him to stand down, he wants to "see this."

I seriously don't get any of the complaints.

 

[Iceman]

The problem with the scene wasn't the fact that it was just Hawkeye. The problem with any cameo in any movie anywhere, is that it is usually distracting from the main action, in this case, Thor's big dramatic moment where he realizes he's alone on Earth. I was definitely excited for the Hawkeye cameo, but if fell flat because he responded as any random agent would and not Hawkeye. Sure he has a bow and arrow, but he didn't really do anything with it. He was established as Hawkeye in name only, not in character.

I think Hawkeye would have better been served as one of the worthy allies from Earth alongside Coulsen. If he could have been put into action when the Destroyer came to invade, um... THE TOWN, it would have better showcased who he is and why he would connect to Thor in some way.

He was established in name only & not character as it was an Easter Egg rather than a full cameo which would go completely unnoticed by the regular audience. Almost meaningless like the names you see on random computer screens in the X-Men films. If he had more of a role like you are saying, that is where there is a chance that he could have become distracting to the plot as many argue Black Widow was in Iron Man 2.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

He was established in name only & not character as it was an Easter Egg rather than a full cameo which would go completely unnoticed by the regular audience. Almost meaningless like the names you see on random computer screens in the X-Men films. If he had more of a role like you are saying, that is where there is a chance that he could have become distracting to the plot as many argue Black Widow was in Iron Man 2.

Well that's what I'm saying. If having Hawkeye in the movie at all was important, then I would've given him a small role rather than an easter egg that did very little to contribute to the scene. I don't think Black Widow, Coulsen, or Fury's roles in the IM movies were distracting because they contributed to the progression of the individual story while at the same time providing insight into what their future roles will be. The same could have been done for Hawkeye.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Widow offered little to IM2. Fury did, yes. But, Widow was fairly useless and had no arc/development.

 

[JAK®]

Widow offered little to IM2. Fury did, yes. But, Widow was fairly useless and had no arc/development.

Widow was a part of the "You can't do this alone" message and SHIELD's development in Iron Man's life.

 

[Iceman]

Well that's what I'm saying. If having Hawkeye in the movie at all was important, then I would've given him a small role rather than an easter egg that did very little to contribute to the scene. I don't think Black Widow, Coulsen, or Fury's roles in the IM movies were distracting because they contributed to the progression of the individual story while at the same time providing insight into what their future roles will be. The same could have been done for Hawkeye.

Exactly, he wasn't important!

I also wasn't distracted by those guys in IM2, just referring to other people's complaints.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Widow was a part of the "You can't do this alone" message and SHIELD's development in Iron Man's life.

But, she didn't do much in it. Fury did a lot more in less screentime for that arc than she did.

 

[Raiden]

If he had a greater role, people would moan about SHIELD being too involved like the complaints in IM2.

Yeah, people would complain about it like they did about Fury's scene with Stark in IM2. Basically, this is a case of "damn if they do, and damn if they don't". Renner was cool enough to agree to do a Hawkeye cameo as a fanservice, and it doesn't distract the movie except in forums like this where fans nitpick everything to death. Just accept it as an Easter Egg and move on.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Exactly, he wasn't important!

I also wasn't distracted by those guys in IM2, just referring to other people's complaints.

I gotcha. I've always held the belief that if you have something in your film, there needs to be a good reason for it. Kind of a nothing wasted mind-set if you will. I liked the original Human Torch easter egg in the beginning of Cap, because it served its purpose well as an easter egg. Hawkeye, as an easter egg, wasn't that great is all.

But, she didn't do much in it. Fury did a lot more in less screentime for that arc than she did.

I would say revealing her capabilities as a double agent would definitely serve well to tease at any other double agent-y things she might throw at us in future installments. I don't think she was wasted.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Typical... We analyse and discuss the success of all the films as standalone explorations into the character, and everyones is dwelling on Hawkeye :P

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Now people are moaning his cameo wasn't big enough. If his cameo had been bigger, people would moan about how distracting it was. If there was no cameo at all people would moan how that would have been a good place to put a cameo in. people are moaning because all the MCU is one shared universe. Before the MCU, people moaned how there can't be crossovers in Marvel movies.
I hate people. They can't stop moaning.